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20:43:39 <Zarutian> h'lo Forth channel.
20:44:52 <Zarutian> I have been reading that old book Stackmachines ( http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/index.html )
20:45:41 <Zarutian> it seems to me that the hardware of such an machine is rather minimal but yet very powerfull (conceptually)
20:47:14 <Deformative> Zarutian: Indeed.
20:49:06 <Zarutian> so would it be possible to implement such an machine as an complex discrete value circuit implmented in an extende clueless software agent?
20:49:30 <Zarutian> s/extende/extended/
20:50:24 <Deformative> "An" is used with the next word begis with aeoiu.  Otherwise, use the word "a."
20:50:44 <Deformative> Also, that sentance made no sense to me.
20:50:59 <Zarutian> I beg your pardon, my native language has no indefinate particle.
20:51:47 <Zarutian> which results that I am often unsure which of a/an I should use.
20:52:14 <Deformative> That's fine.
20:52:21 <Zarutian> hmm.. let me expand on that sentence
20:53:46 <Zarutian> an discrete value circuit is like an boolean circuit only the wires between logic elements have more than two discrete states. Yet the number of the states per wire is finiate.
20:55:25 <Deformative> Oh, I was actually working on a project like that before I started work.
20:55:28 <Deformative> Haven't had time since.
20:55:34 <Deformative> Have a look at DSSP.
20:55:37 <Deformative> It is a russian project.
20:56:10 <Deformative> Zarutian: Also, as I explained, you ONLY use the word "an" when a word begins with a,e,i,o,u,or y.
20:56:18 <Deformative> Otherwise, you use the word "a."
20:56:55 <Zarutian> so the word complex in this instance just mean that the logic elements and wires are more numerious than in circuits whose function can be determined at glance
20:57:31 <Zarutian> Deformative: I learned that rule long ago but I do not seem to be able to internalize it properly.
20:59:12 <Deformative> The word "discrete" begins with a d, so you use the word "a."
20:59:13 <Zarutian> do you have an url (note the correct use! ;) to that russian DSSP project?
20:59:54 <Deformative> Zarutian: http://www.forth.org.ru/~dssp/msdos_e/papers/daf.txt
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21:02:44 <Zarutian> aah, I see. Ternary based instead of being binary based. I was thinking more on the lines of more numerus states per wire (no more than 2 to the power of 12) and those wires being virtual and not realized in physical hardware.
21:03:17 <Deformative> Oh.
21:03:28 <Deformative> I do not know anything of such machines.
21:06:04 <Zarutian> you could think of each wire being a bus that would require a logical element to split apart into individual binary wires or merge many such binary wires into one such bus.
21:07:09 <Deformative> Zarutian: Yes, I understand it./
21:07:14 <Deformative> I just don't know anything of it.
21:09:47 <Zarutian> on further introspection I think what I am proposing is entirely in the realm of the possible. But what would the utility of such a thing be you might ask.
21:17:06 <Zarutian> I hope I havent intruded much upon your time by rubberducking my idea here.
21:17:45 <Deformative> Don't worry.
21:17:54 <Zarutian> if I have done so I apologize and beg your pardon.
21:18:12 <Deformative> No worries, you're fine.
21:19:23 <Zarutian> Sadly I must get myself to bed before I can work further on this idea today.
21:19:51 <Deformative> Ok.
21:19:51 <Zarutian> until next time I give kind regards.
21:19:53 <Deformative> Goodnight.
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22:36:07 <KipIngram> Do you really say "an url"?  I thought since "url" is pronounced "you are ell," which starts with a consonant sound, you said "a url."
22:37:19 <Deformative> I think you are correct.
22:37:36 <Deformative> But his wasn't a corner case such as that.
22:37:55 <KipIngram> No, but he mentioned "an url" as correct use later on.
22:38:03 <KipIngram> Which all just goes to show how confusing English can be.
22:38:36 <KipIngram> There's a fantastic bit on an old "I Love Lucy" episode where Ricky is reading a kid's story to Little Ricky, and gets in knots over all of the possibilities with "ough".
22:39:36 <Deformative> He didn't use the word 
22:39:40 <Deformative> "a"
22:39:42 <Deformative> Ever.
22:39:45 <Deformative> He lways used an.
22:39:57 <KipIngram> Officially tomorrow is my "last day" at the old job (they are paying me through tomorrow), but the owner told me Tuesday that I could finish Wednesday and not come back.  So I am "in between" now.
22:40:02 <KipIngram> New gig starts Tuesday.
22:40:23 <Deformative> Cool.
22:40:30 <Deformative> I have almost been working for a week now.
22:40:33 <Deformative> Hellish perl stuff.
22:41:01 <KipIngram> Perl?  So are you working at the place that's doing the Mirasol displays?
22:41:20 <KipIngram> Looks like I will spend all, or at least most, of my second week in Denver.
22:42:05 <Deformative> Yes, but I am writing automated testing.
22:42:15 <KipIngram> The company's co-located in Houston and the Denver area.  I have a roughly equal number of reports in each place.
22:42:15 <Deformative> So I need to make the machinery interact with their perl scripts.
22:43:13 <KipIngram> I recently installed jolicloud on my netbook.  It's a netbook-focused Linux distribution.  I'm liking it quite a bit so far.
22:43:16 <KipIngram> Very fast.
22:43:35 <KipIngram> Seems pretty battery efficient, but I haven't really stressed it on that front yet.
22:43:55 <KipIngram> The network connectivity feels a bit more stable than with Ubuntu.
22:44:15 <Deformative> Hm, well I am on windows for the first time in years.
22:44:20 <Deformative> Which feels much more stable than I remember.
22:44:25 <KipIngram> Yes, working will do that to you.
22:44:32 <KipIngram> It is.  Windows 7 actually seems pretty robust.
22:44:39 <Deformative> I do not use windows 7
22:44:42 <Deformative> xp/vista
22:44:50 <KipIngram> I have never tried vista.
22:45:00 <KipIngram> 7 is definitely better than xp in my opinion.
22:45:07 <Deformative> But I am using some ancient version of perl which is just loaded with bugs and no documentation.
22:45:13 <Deformative> The perl I am using is over 8 years old.
22:45:15 <Deformative> D:
22:45:21 <KipIngram> Heh.
22:45:22 <Deformative> I am going to ask management for new software.
22:45:32 <Deformative> Because it is blocking my progress.
22:45:34 <KipIngram> Hang on a sec.
22:47:51 <KipIngram> Hmmm.  I just checked portableapps.com to see if they had a Perl.  No.
22:48:21 <Deformative> Well, there is activeperl, strawberryperl, and gnuperl I think.
22:48:28 <Deformative> We use an ancient version of activeperl.
22:48:36 <Deformative> I want to update to a more recent version of it.
22:48:55 <KipIngram> I saw it just now.  $750.  Not getting it seems penny-wise and pound-foolish.
22:49:27 <Deformative> That is for the tools.
22:49:33 <Deformative> Activeperl community edition is free.
22:49:50 <KipIngram> Yes, but is that authorized for commercial use?
22:50:19 <KipIngram> Hey, on a different topic, do you use Dropbox?  
22:50:48 <Deformative> Yes, it is authorized for commercial use.
22:50:51 <Deformative> It says so in the license.
22:50:55 <KipIngram> Ok.
22:51:00 <Deformative> I do not know what dropbox is, so probably not.
22:51:49 <Deformative> They don't seem to consider money an issue at qualcomm.
22:51:51 <Deformative> Just time.
22:51:55 <KipIngram> It's online storage.  If you try it out use this link - I will get some free storage: https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTU5MzQxNzY5?f=0
22:51:59 <Deformative> If you ever say the words "I
22:52:07 <Deformative> Erm
22:52:18 <Deformative> The words "I'm blocked" seem to have magic expiditing powers.
22:52:31 <KipIngram> I put a Truecrypt volume on Dropbox, which gives me encrypted online storage that's automatically synchronized with any PC I attach to it.
22:52:40 <Deformative> If they ever see that your progress is being prevented by not having something, they make a huge deal to get it fixed.
22:52:53 <KipIngram> Well, that bodes well for you.
22:53:13 <Deformative> Yeah.
22:53:26 <Deformative> The equipment all around me is so expensive.
22:53:31 <Deformative> I was quite shocked.
22:53:48 <Deformative> They drop money on licenses for anything I want it seems.
22:54:00 <Deformative> I said I needed a C compiler, so they got me visual stupid.
22:54:03 <Deformative> studio.
22:54:12 <Deformative> I just use gcc though, because i prefer it.
22:54:18 <Deformative> But they got the visual studio license anyway I guess.
22:54:41 <KipIngram> With Dropbox you have a "Dropbox folder" on your PC.  The Dropbox "daemon" keeps it synchronized with the online storage.  You can have such a folder on any PC you like, and they all stay in sync.
22:54:50 <Deformative> I see.
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22:55:02 <Deformative> I have used similar sort of things before.
22:55:21 <KipIngram> The transfer between PC's and their servers is secure, and of course they promise "not to look," but I figured if I added the Truecrypt layer I'd be that much better off.
22:55:55 <KipIngram> It's not really the most secure way to use Truecrypt - you're not supposed to let successive versions of the same Truecrypt volume fall into "adversary hands" because it makes it easier to break your encryption.
22:56:26 <KipIngram> But I'm not really storing anything life-critical out there.  So all I want is the ability to keep the casual prying eyes off of my stuff.
22:56:27 <Deformative> Makes sense.
22:56:55 <Deformative> Sorry to cut you off, but I am going to go to sleep now.
22:56:55 <KipIngram> The advantage of having my data accessible from anywhere in the world and automatically backed up is very compelling.
22:57:01 <KipIngram> That's ok - sleep well.
22:57:08 <Deformative> Yep, talk to you later.
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