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09:27:49 <alex4nder> hey
09:29:58 <Deformative> Hi.
09:32:34 <alex4nder> Deformative: how's it?
09:34:13 <Deformative> Meh.
09:34:16 <Deformative> How about you?
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09:39:09 <alex4nder> Deformative: good.. just getting my week started
09:40:37 <alex4nder> got up at 6, made my way to the coffee house.. talked to the usual suspects..
09:40:49 <alex4nder> hacked some code
09:41:05 <alex4nder> now I'm home.. and I have to make my USB device driver work on this board, using MPE Forth.
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10:01:52 <Deformative> Cool.
10:02:25 <Deformative> I am convinced that in order to make a good programming language, I need more begin/end characters on my keyboard.
10:02:34 <Deformative> <> {} [] and () are not enough.
10:04:35 * schme seems to find () plenty enough.
10:04:35 <schme> hehe.
10:05:12 <schme> Maybe combine 'em  #( )#  ;[ ];  ^{}^  ...
10:05:25 <Deformative> Maybe...
10:05:34 <Deformative> But I don't like when the same punctuation is used for multiple things.
10:05:38 * schme is a lisp head. ( ) is enough :)
10:05:52 <schme> I see.
10:06:12 <alex4nder> yah.. what do you need those grouping characters for?
10:06:12 <Deformative> ;[];  would make me want to never use semicolon anywhere else in the language.
10:06:30 <schme> I'll go with alex4nder . What do you need all these for?
10:06:54 <Deformative> Using color would be interesting, but that rules out nesting.
10:07:27 <Deformative> alex4nder: Mmmm, declaring things. 
10:07:56 <schme> (loop .....)     (dolist ...)   (dotimes ...)   (defvar ...)  (defun ..:)
10:07:58 <schme> :P
10:08:25 <Deformative> For example in C, if you can assume {} is struct and [] is array, that makes things somewhat nice, but then I need new begin/end for functions/codeblocks.
10:08:36 <schme> (array ....)
10:08:37 <schme> ;)
10:08:41 <Deformative> schme: Yes yes, I know how scheme works.
10:08:50 <schme> and you actually want MORE
10:08:55 <alex4nder> I think that stuff just gets confusing.
10:09:09 <schme> C seems to use {} for code blocks, no?
10:09:19 <Deformative> Scheme was what tought me to program.
10:09:27 <Deformative> schme: Yes it does, but I wouldn't want to in my language.
10:09:29 * schme does not quite enjoy scheme so much.
10:09:30 <schme> aha.
10:09:51 <schme> ''  "" ``  ^^  .. or you always want like a start - end and them not being the same?
10:10:36 <schme> I mean you could have  [ bla bla [  :)
10:10:40 <schme> instead of [ bla bla ]
10:10:45 <schme> I guess nesting would be a pain there.
10:11:26 <Deformative> '' cannot be nested.
10:11:47 <schme> '1 '2 '3 ... 3' ... 2' ... 1'
10:12:09 <Deformative> For example, I would like to have more punctuation for state machines and monads.
10:12:19 <Deformative> Well, maybe not monads.
10:12:26 <schme> but gonads? :)
10:13:02 <Deformative> ->  <- could work I suppose.
10:13:10 <Deformative> But meh.
10:14:00 <Deformative> Then I would have -[ ]- etc etc and I would not want to use subtraction.
10:14:19 <Deformative> Maybe ~< >~ ~{ }~ ~[ ]~ ~()~
10:14:22 <alex4nder> :D   D:
10:14:27 <Deformative> That just looks ugly though.
10:15:50 <Deformative> I mean, the editor could help with syntax highlighting.
10:15:55 <schme> alex4nder: :( ):
10:15:56 <schme> :D
10:16:02 <schme> :\ /:
10:16:03 <Deformative> Oh goodness.
10:16:03 <schme> haha.
10:16:12 <schme> <:-) (-:>
10:16:15 <Deformative> I can just change the color of <> {} [] ()
10:16:20 <Deformative> And then I have 38543753462875 more options!
10:16:22 <Deformative> :D
10:16:37 <schme>  ~ is a bitch for me to type
10:16:37 <Deformative> But then I need an editor which supports that.
10:16:38 <schme> hehe.
10:16:41 <Deformative> Which there are none.
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10:18:21 <alex4nder> you could add that to emacs without an insane amount of work.
10:18:28 <Pusdesris> My ethernet fell out.
10:18:44 <Pusdesris> I do not know emacs.
10:18:51 <Pusdesris> I use kwrite as my primary editor.
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10:19:15 <schme> kwrite!
10:19:17 <schme> MY gosh.
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10:19:20 <schme> :D
10:19:33 * schme just uses vim and emacs.
10:19:36 <Deformative> schme: Do you have something against kwrite?
10:19:40 <Deformative> Kwrite is awesome.
10:19:43 <schme> No I'm just.. startled.
10:19:43 <Deformative> I use vim sometimes.
10:19:53 <Deformative> But never emacs.
10:19:54 <schme> It seems to require a lot of KDE libraries installed :)
10:20:06 <Deformative> I always have those libraries.
10:20:09 <Deformative> So no big deal.
10:20:13 * schme hides his sxemacs developer hat.
10:20:15 <schme> Right.
10:20:17 <schme> not me there :)
10:20:31 <schme> it doesn't strike me as my kind of editor :)  Good that you like it.
10:20:54 <alex4nder> I do everything in emacs.
10:20:56 <schme> but.. like I said. I do the CL. so then you want emacs for integration with the lisp :)
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10:21:47 <Deformative> Makes sense.
10:22:13 <Deformative> I mostly use use vim when I have to do something as su, or I am ssh'ed.
10:22:22 <schme> :)
10:22:50 <schme> ssh -X  Kwrite ;)
10:23:12 <Deformative> Nothanks.
10:23:20 <schme> yee. sounds painful :)
10:24:09 <Deformative> Kate is good when working with many files.
10:24:25 <Deformative> But I have 9 desktops, so I usually just use kwrite and spred it out between a few desktops.
10:26:23 <Deformative> Well, I have some stuff to do today.
10:26:25 <Deformative> So be back later.
10:26:27 <Deformative> o/
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10:53:18 <schme> vim is excellent for working with many files.
10:53:23 <schme> emacs too.
10:53:25 <schme> heh
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11:37:41 * KipIngram loves emacs.
11:40:18 <Deformative> Hey KipIngram, what's up?
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12:11:20 <alex4nder> re..
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13:01:19 <KipIngram> Quite a bit - don't have time to talk right now.  Got a couple of busy days coming up.
13:01:32 <KipIngram> Looks like you're making good progress on your FPGA.
13:07:35 <Deformative> Yep.
13:07:46 <Deformative> Talk to you later.
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13:25:14 <Deformative> Does anyone know of a minimal c-like to forth-like compiler?
13:25:43 <Deformative> Or even just a paper on the subject.
13:25:50 <Deformative> I am interested in how such a compiler works.
13:26:46 <I440r> a c like forth compiler?
13:28:19 <Deformative> No.
13:28:23 <Deformative> A c-to-forth compiler.
13:28:27 <Deformative> But it doesn't need to be C.
13:28:31 <Deformative> It can be a c-like language.
13:28:35 <Deformative> Same for forth.
13:41:30 <alex4nder> Deformative: I've done that.. what do you want to know?
13:42:29 <I440r> alex that sounds non trivial - how well did it work?
13:42:47 <I440r> and does it produce an executable or a new source to be passed to a forth compiler?
13:43:30 <alex4nder> it was OK.  I did the bare minimum to 'compile' the source code I had into constructs that I could use a forth environment to compile/assemble.
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13:46:00 <I440r> with my passionate hate for EVERYTHING c.... that sounds kinda cool lol
13:54:16 <Deformative> alex4nder: Hmm, not sure.
13:54:23 <Deformative> I was just looking for something I could read.
13:56:55 <Deformative> alex4nder: Is it open source?
13:57:08 <alex4nder> no, sorry
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14:16:14 <Deformative> alex4nder: No worries.
14:16:24 <Deformative> I will try to find something, and probably have some questions eventually.
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22:19:52 <Deformative> Small C is interesting.
22:20:01 <Deformative> I ordered some books on it just now.
22:20:14 <Deformative> I think I will port/rewrite smallc for my core, if I ever have that sort of time.
22:20:17 <Deformative> Which I will not.
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