00:00:00 --- log: started forth/10.01.22 00:02:14 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 00:09:16 --- join: tarbo (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) joined #forth 00:22:18 --- join: ASau (n=user@77.246.230.166) joined #forth 00:33:48 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pops@99.150.138.254) joined #forth 00:33:51 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 00:34:28 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 00:51:25 --- quit: nighty__ (Client Quit) 00:51:47 --- join: harblcat (n=chris@c-76-23-80-54.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:52:00 --- part: harblcat left #forth 00:57:47 --- join: Guthur (n=Michael@host81-159-209-174.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 00:59:54 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@116.5.49.208) joined #forth 01:15:49 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:38:14 --- quit: PoppaVic (Client Quit) 03:15:58 --- quit: Guthur ("Computer says no") 04:08:29 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 04:20:31 --- join: crcx (i=d8012b82@gateway/web/freenode/x-bmqfvlvruhtlinkm) joined #forth 04:29:05 --- quit: foxes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:49:44 --- join: foxes (i=flash@221.220.162.72) joined #forth 05:30:49 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:39:00 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:35:22 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 06:53:11 --- quit: gnomon_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:03:03 --- quit: crcx (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 07:03:22 --- quit: proteusguy__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:09:36 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 07:11:26 --- join: crcx (i=d8012b82@gateway/web/freenode/x-zqxkzfycnxsydtmu) joined #forth 07:18:35 --- join: proteusguy__ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 07:34:34 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:34:44 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk) joined #forth 07:49:17 --- quit: ASau (Client Quit) 07:55:17 --- quit: Zarutian () 08:17:26 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 09:04:08 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@dyn-62-56-89-110.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 09:26:48 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@99.150.138.254) joined #forth 09:39:00 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.57) joined #forth 09:45:42 --- join: Zarutian (n=zarutian@194-144-99-103.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 09:54:33 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 10:21:08 --- quit: Zarutian () 10:47:03 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 10:56:31 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@dynamic-78-30-167-37.adsl.eunet.rs) joined #forth 12:10:33 --- join: Guthur (n=Michael@host81-159-209-174.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 12:20:40 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 12:21:41 --- join: Z[OCFYYbG (n=malyn@server.strangeGizmo.com) joined #forth 12:21:59 --- quit: malyn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:22:39 --- nick: Z[OCFYYbG -> malyn 12:30:31 --- join: Zarutian (n=zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 12:32:19 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:58:45 --- quit: ASau` (Remote closed the connection) 12:59:27 --- join: ASau` (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 13:13:52 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 13:22:29 Should one be very comfortable with Forth before trying to implement it 13:22:55 do you think it is feasible to implement early on 13:23:00 You can do what all weenies do with it: just go and implement a "better" Forth. 13:23:21 hehe, I have a specific arch in mind 13:23:25 Or even better, come and propose improvements to the standard. 13:23:36 There're too little by now. 13:24:05 Do you think it has any major issues at the moment 13:24:08 Seriously, you'd better learn the language first. 13:24:17 And help fixing existing implementations. 13:24:25 I want it on the ARM 13:24:42 So what? 13:24:44 there are plenty of implementations already 13:25:03 I suppose already for the ARM cpu 13:25:05 ? 13:25:30 http://www.google.com/search?q=forth+on+arm 13:25:38 there's a few listed right off the bat 13:25:54 Guthur: does the word "cross-platform" mean anything to you? 13:26:11 I would rather it was native 13:26:36 I'd like a small footprint 13:26:50 What are your constraints? 13:27:11 http://eddiem.com/micros/sam7forth/armforth.html 13:27:37 ASau If i am honest I haven't fully worked them out yet 13:27:54 my current ARM only has 32Kb of flash 13:28:16 Guthur: which ARM ? 13:28:27 ARM7TDMI-s 13:28:42 its an NXP board 13:28:53 LPC2103 13:29:40 I'll probably aim for more memory eventually 13:30:30 http://pygmy.utoh.org/riscy/index.html says that it supports that board 13:31:06 oh I'm blind 13:31:14 i should have seen that 13:31:35 it think the 'early adopters' part kept sticking out 13:31:41 it/I 13:32:33 Probably worth checking out though, thanks 13:34:50 there's also an eforth varient for ARM7 at http://www.offete.com/ARMkey.html 13:42:37 --- log: started forth/10.01.22 13:42:37 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 13:42:37 --- topic: 'The Forth programming language, etc. | Logged by clog | forth.pastebin.ca | quartus.net/search | gforth: tinyurl.com/s8uho | isforth.com | ANS Standard: tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Wiki: forthfreak.net' 13:42:37 --- topic: set by tathi on [Mon Nov 30 04:40:25 2009] 13:42:37 --- names: list (clog ASau Zarutian malyn Guthur Maki Quartus` PoppaVic GeDaMo mathrick proteusguy__ crcx gnomon foxes gogonkt tarbo TR2N Snoopy_1611 crc2 nottwo segher TreyB uiu scj rotty schme probonono addled nighty_ madwork nighty^ yiyus happycube cataska KipIngram maht Frek madgarden) 13:43:24 --- join: pengy (n=pengy3@87-194-9-197.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 13:43:37 --- part: pengy left #forth 13:47:42 i think I'll risk pygness 13:51:33 bbl, getting ready to leave work 13:51:45 --- quit: crcx ("Page closed") 14:04:26 --- join: forther (i=cf2f2264@gateway/web/freenode/x-llsgfgnhtvkyvkco) joined #forth 14:04:34 hi all 14:06:46 --- quit: forther (Client Quit) 14:26:56 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 15:06:08 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:20:12 --- join: I440r (n=mark4_@c-69-136-171-118.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:20:32 Guthur: Take look at: http://www.mpeforth.com/software.htm. 15:21:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 15:21:26 There is a comercial version LPCForth. Good quality software, I've used it. 15:21:56 --- quit: happycube (Remote closed the connection) 15:21:56 cheers 15:22:07 --- join: happycube (n=cpage@208.1.239.35) joined #forth 15:22:39 off hand do you know if a serial connection is enough for interactive dev 15:23:49 the board I have here does have a JTAG header but I do not have the cable 15:24:00 Yes. I'm using the system like that. 15:24:14 over the serial? 15:24:27 You only need serial connection to LPC 15:24:32 nice 15:24:38 thanks for clarifying 15:24:45 Ad a power supply :) 15:24:50 *And 15:25:42 the board I have contains a bootloader, would that be a factor? 15:26:03 crc2: Good link. I didn't know about EMForth. 15:26:45 Bootloader is used to transfer original (first) image. 15:27:45 After that you can develop over serial terminal and save to flash if you have egnouh free space. 15:28:19 Or you can save to external SPI Flash. 15:28:48 After power on image is restored. 15:28:59 I think I might need to invest in some flash 15:29:13 my current board does not meet the min spec 15:29:44 64k flash 16k ram, I have 64/8 15:29:45 I'm using LPC2136. 15:29:57 oh actually mine is 32/8 15:30:07 LPC2103 15:30:34 I am just starting out with this embedded stuff so went for a cheap option to start with 15:31:55 I'll spend the next few weeks familiarising myself with embedded systems, electronics and the ARM arch 15:32:09 Go ahead! Download lpcforth.zip and "burn" it to your target boart ad try it. You can use FlashMagic. 15:32:10 but I kind of want to dump C as soon as I can 15:33:10 hehe I suppose why not 15:33:19 it will stop if there isn't enough space anyway 15:34:07 IIRC immage is small egnouh for all lpc2xxx 15:35:10 Ahh, your chip has 32KB of Flash! :( 15:35:25 ya 15:35:30 very limited 15:35:40 You need at least 64KB... 15:37:12 I'll definitely keep a note of that forth though 15:37:20 back 15:37:23 when I get a more capable setup together 15:38:41 ok. Ask if you need help. Gtg. 15:38:54 thanks 15:38:58 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 15:51:48 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.4) joined #forth 15:54:12 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 17:22:56 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@dsl093-145-168.sba1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 17:22:56 re.. 18:38:15 --- join: crc2_ (n=charlesc@71.23.210.149) joined #forth 18:58:59 --- quit: crc2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:59:00 --- nick: crc2_ -> crc2 19:18:45 --- quit: Zarutian () 19:53:42 --- log: started forth/10.01.22 19:53:42 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 19:53:42 --- topic: 'The Forth programming language, etc. | Logged by clog | forth.pastebin.ca | quartus.net/search | gforth: tinyurl.com/s8uho | isforth.com | ANS Standard: tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Wiki: forthfreak.net' 19:53:42 --- topic: set by tathi on [Mon Nov 30 04:40:25 2009] 19:53:42 --- names: list (clog crc2 alex4nder xjrn Quartus` happycube @I440r ASau malyn Guthur PoppaVic mathrick proteusguy__ gnomon foxes gogonkt tarbo TR2N Snoopy_1611 nottwo segher TreyB uiu scj rotty schme probonono addled nighty_ madgarden madwork nighty^ yiyus cataska KipIngram Frek maht) 19:58:06 --- quit: cataska (K-lined) 21:01:08 --- quit: Guthur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:31:26 --- join: pgas (n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/pgas) joined #forth 22:39:55 --- quit: I440r (Remote closed the connection) 23:04:24 --- quit: segher ("This computer has gone to sleep") 23:28:32 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Reality, what a concept!") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/10.01.22