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Maybe a night of sleep may help :) 14:19:51 I hope so. :) the docs on the part suck. 14:20:04 and Atmel just tells you to go use the C API provided by their USB framework. 14:20:30 The same is with Microchip. 14:26:52 how're you doing? 14:28:09 I'm on "vacation" now. At monday I start at new company. 14:28:11 I'm going to try that "views" approach Paysan advocates to handle arrays. 14:28:23 I'm not optimistic. 14:29:11 Maki: fun 14:29:15 ASau: URL? 14:29:45 Maki: Stephen told me he'd have the umbilical bug fixed today 14:29:51 alex4nder: no URL, I don't even remember the thread subject 14:29:51 on clf where we talked about that. 14:30:12 GEMM seems horrible at the first sight, but it isn't really. 14:30:15 ASau: Why bigForth is Linux only 14:30:32 Maki: Paysan failed to show it isn't. 14:30:44 alex4nder: Great! 14:30:54 ASau: I see. 14:31:11 He only claims he needs access to FreeBSD for several hours to port. 14:32:01 Garcia--Ripoll, ECL developer, didn't have many problems 14:32:02 with installing NetBSD in QEMU(!). 14:32:20 Note the difference in the approach. 14:32:47 Maki: haha, he just sent me a mail saying that they've "fixed" it, but it still doesn't work with the Keyspan devices. :P 14:33:47 Forth is in those? 14:33:52 Nice! 14:34:15 oh, no Forth isn't in the Keyspan, he just means using umbilical forth with the keyspan devices. 14:34:25 ah 14:37:35 Is there any freely available docs on their umbilical system? I'm interested how it is implemented. 14:40:05 Maki: BTW, ECL is definitly heavier to build. 14:42:29 ASau: I'm mostly window$ user. Looking forward to swith to Linux and I never tried FreeBSD. 14:42:57 So I can't follow to the letter. 14:43:09 --- quit: Zarutian () 14:43:59 It appears that not many users of BigForth are also FreeBSD-ians :) 14:45:52 Maki: what's the reason to use linux-only(!) Forth(!!) on FreeBSD?? 14:46:26 It's quite stupid marketing on bigForth side. 14:46:46 And of Forth side in general at the first place. 14:47:01 There're loads of more powerful languages. 14:47:09 And more interesting too. 14:47:18 E.g. Erlang and Scala. 14:47:44 Of course this is current trend, so what? 14:48:29 If the language is at fringe, it should provide really wonderful features. 14:48:42 See Erlang and Haskell. 14:48:56 I know at least one Prolog user. 14:49:33 I don't count CL and Scheme as fringe languages, they have rather large communities. 14:49:50 But Forth? 14:51:24 I program mostly embedded systems so I can't comment on that. Forth "rules" in niche where I'm using it. 14:52:09 --- quit: TR2N (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:54:18 --- join: X-Scale (i=email@89.180.235.181) joined #forth 14:55:29 --- quit: GeDaMo (Client Quit) 14:55:41 This "rules" is somewhat straightened. 14:57:37 What do you mean? 14:59:20 There's clear problem in understanding argumentation to people masses. 14:59:56 If experts moved away from Forth, the problem is in Forth 15:00:09 rather than someone's disabilities. 15:01:17 I know some experts that move to Forth, and also other that follow trends and mainstream. 15:03:26 Maki, don't feed the troll please... :) 15:03:59 JFLF: just who are you? 15:04:03 I don't remember you at all. 15:04:12 Aleksej is not a troll. We know wayback. 15:06:21 OK, fair enough! :) 15:11:50 --- join: juron (n=juorn_ep@xdsl-78-35-147-211.netcologne.de) joined #forth 15:15:35 --- part: juron left #forth 15:40:51 I think that I should make another attempt at red-black trees. 15:41:21 At least I'll have real values to compare. 15:44:21 "Cat Eat Mice" again :D 15:46:41 --- quit: alex4nder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:53:57 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 16:00:38 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 16:05:43 --- quit: xpololz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:06:04 --- join: xpololz (n=xpololz@90.80-203-124.nextgentel.com) joined #forth 16:25:03 red-black is equivalent to a 2-3-4 tree, you might want to implement that directly -- much simpler 16:25:14 faster, too 16:29:52 Maybe. 16:30:01 I'm using AA trees for now. 16:34:16 aa? 16:34:54 Arne Andersson 16:35:33 never heard of it 16:38:39 They are reported to have same performance but are easier to implement. 16:38:52 I want to check performance now. 16:39:33 --- join: crc (i=crc@71.23.200.183) joined #forth 16:47:46 --- quit: xpololz (Client Quit) 17:09:03 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@dsl093-145-168.sba1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 17:09:06 hey 17:11:23 oi 17:17:42 woot 17:17:59 incremental target compiling now works within MPE XC7 17:25:11 --- quit: crc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:28:55 --- join: alex4nde1 (n=alexande@dsl093-145-168.sba1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 17:46:27 --- quit: alex4nder (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:50:39 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 18:07:20 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 18:46:38 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:47:14 --- join: crc (i=crc@71.23.200.183) joined #forth 18:54:56 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@CPE001d7e527f89-CM00159a65a870.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:21:06 --- quit: erider (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:36:27 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 19:48:38 --- join: Snoopy_1711 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-122-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:48:51 --- join: cataska (n=cataska@210.64.6.235) joined #forth 19:53:21 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:58:17 --- nick: X-Scale -> TR2N 21:50:52 --- quit: crc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:24:35 --- quit: JFLF ("Leaving") 22:47:27 --- quit: PoppaVic (Client Quit) 22:50:15 --- quit: segher ("This computer has gone to sleep") 23:54:46 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 23:55:56 --- quit: alex4nde1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/10.01.18