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09:13:33 <KipIngram> Does anyone know if there's a good Forth for the Freescale DSP56374?
09:13:46 <KipIngram> With an assembler?
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10:37:03 <alex4nder> morning
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12:29:35 <Maki_> alex4nder: Good evening :)
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12:32:31 <alex4nder> Maki_: how's it going?
12:34:34 <Maki_> Good. Now it is Christmas eve on correct callendar :)
12:34:45 <Maki_> You?
12:34:57 <dandersen> Maki_: Hristos se rodi!
12:35:14 <Maki_> Vaistinu :)
12:35:27 <alex4nder> good,. I'm going through my next steps of development on this hardware.
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12:36:28 <Maki_> Writing to Flash working ok?
12:36:47 <alex4nder> yah,. it looks pretty good
12:37:09 <alex4nder> I'm not sure how it's going to work long term (e.g. how I'm going to handle writing in the field), but the hardware works.
12:38:51 <Maki_> Some architectures prohibit interrupt activity while writing. Have you consider that?
12:39:43 <alex4nder> yah,. I think I'm OK here, but I haven't tested that.
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12:40:35 <alex4nder> I'm pretty sure I can load up RAM, jump to RAM, remap RAM to 0x0, and then interrupts should still work while I'm flashing.
12:40:54 <KipIngram> I'll try again with a new set of people online: anyone know of a good Forth (ideally with an assembler) for the Freescale DSP56374?
12:41:23 * PoppaVic chuckles
12:41:29 <KipIngram> I'll write one if I have to, but it would be nice if one already existed.
12:42:04 <Maki_> alex4nder: good plan!
12:43:55 <alex4nder> KipIngram: I do not. 
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12:48:00 <alex4nder> Maki_: I was thinking that my reflash strategy in production would be the laptop software programs the Forth on the device to receive a binary image.
12:48:19 <alex4nder> and then pushes the image, and jumps to it.
12:48:31 <alex4nder> rather than storing a 'reflasher' permanently on the device.
12:50:05 <I440r> hi kip
12:50:08 <alex4nder> Maki_: oh, before I forget to ask.. how do you access the disassembler with the MPE tools?  the disasm words don't appear to work.
12:50:22 <alex4nder> but 'see' in interactive mode after compiling will disassemble words
12:50:23 <Maki_> dis <word>
12:50:26 <I440r> no disassemble!
12:50:51 <alex4nder> Maki_: where do you use it?
12:51:03 <Maki_> in interactive mode
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12:51:29 <Maki_> in AIDE shell
12:51:37 <alex4nder> oh, it looks like it's the same as 'see'
12:52:56 <alex4nder> the XC7man talks about disasm/al et al, but I don't see those.
12:54:01 <Maki_> Good for you, you have newer compiler, mine is v6.
12:55:55 <alex4nder> oh, I found disasm/f, but it crashes the interactive Forth
12:56:11 <Maki_> :(
12:57:54 <alex4nder> 0x00 0x14 xdisasm/ft  <- 
12:58:05 <alex4nder> that works.
12:58:16 <alex4nder> hrm, my laptop is out of power.
12:58:17 <alex4nder> bbl.
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13:18:05 <KipIngram> I440r: Hi.
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14:48:42 <ubuntu-nathan> Hi for all!
14:48:44 * ubuntu-nathan is back
14:48:45 <ubuntu-nathan> :D
14:51:03 <JFLF> Hi
14:51:08 <ubuntu-nathan> :d
14:51:10 <ubuntu-nathan> :D
14:51:16 <ubuntu-nathan> Hi JFLF
14:51:36 <ubuntu-nathan> Someone can suggest me a good PDF to learn Forth?
14:51:42 <ubuntu-nathan> or eBook
14:51:46 <dandersen> "And so Forth".
14:52:01 <ubuntu-nathan> ?????
14:52:12 <dandersen> Google it. "And so Forth".
14:52:24 <ubuntu-nathan> ok
14:52:43 <JFLF> MPE's "Programming Forth"
14:53:23 <dandersen> http://ficl.sourceforge.net/pdf/Forth_Primer.pdf
14:53:43 <PoppaVic> Buy dead-trees. Stop futzing
14:53:45 <ubuntu-nathan> thanks!
14:53:47 <ubuntu-nathan> :D
14:54:04 <dandersen> http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk/arena/ProgramForth.pdf
14:54:17 <dandersen> http://www.googleguide.com
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17:27:14 <haiworld> hello all
17:27:33 <haiworld> is there a remainder operator defined on gforth
17:28:00 <dandersen> Have you read Brodie's book?
17:28:10 <haiworld> me?
17:28:21 <dandersen> Yeah.
17:28:38 <haiworld> umm haven't heard any book by him sorry
17:28:53 <dandersen> http://www.forth.com/starting-forth/
17:29:06 <haiworld> ah i see
17:34:35 <haiworld> eek.. memory slipped
17:34:46 <haiworld> was thinking % for some reason
17:34:52 <haiworld> curse you c
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17:46:38 <haiworld> is using 3dup bad?
17:46:53 * PoppaVic sighs
17:46:54 <haiworld> or rather does the need to have to use 3dup reflect something?
17:47:13 <PoppaVic> Is there a good/bad to using a wrench?
17:47:35 <PoppaVic> well, ok - as a wrench - as a hammer/screwdriver sounds "bad"
17:47:36 <haiworld> lol, ok got it
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17:48:13 <PoppaVic> haiworld:  the question often is: is this portable, or common, or easy to implement?
17:52:26 <haiworld> ok
17:53:17 <haiworld> i guess i should try to use whats there and create the minimal number of extra superfluous words
17:53:28 <PoppaVic> haiworld:  as long as you know what 3dup does, yer set - can implement it anywhere from basic tools ;-)
17:53:41 <haiworld> cool
17:53:56 <PoppaVic> part of the joy of learning about forths is writing those words.
17:54:02 <haiworld> heh true
17:54:21 <PoppaVic> otoh, sure - as you go along, you get damned tired of reinventing wheels.
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19:29:39 <segher> poppavic: otoh, you get even more tired if you have to walk the whole distance
19:30:13 <PoppaVic> segher:  you betcha'
19:33:33 <PoppaVic> segher:  don't like retyping it over and over, either ;-)
19:34:19 <segher> true
19:34:30 <segher> luckily, forth is ideal for lazy typists
19:34:36 <PoppaVic> yah.
19:34:56 <PoppaVic> well, so is a filesystem ;-P
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19:38:12 <segher> i shudder to think i would have to fill my filesystem with typing
19:38:42 <PoppaVic> Yeah.. The days of 360K floppies is long gone.
19:41:29 <segher> those are a lot of work to fill up already :-P
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19:42:30 <PoppaVic> well, it was easier in those days.. Me, a 300bps modem, and a lot of stuff to learn.. To test. <shrug>
19:44:27 <segher> 300 baud?  we had 75!
19:44:37 <segher> well, 1200/75, but heh
19:44:44 <PoppaVic> hey! I paid deerly for the Kaypro!
19:44:59 <PoppaVic> I skipped 12 - right to 2400! ;-)
19:45:34 <PoppaVic> 286 and 2400bps.. Wee. It even worked with a pt90!
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