00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.12.30 00:42:34 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:42:51 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@83.1.168.198) joined #forth 00:54:46 * madgarden is away: aseepin' 01:02:10 --- join: _dinya__ (n=Denis@188.19.251.135) joined #forth 01:07:30 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:08:56 --- quit: |dinya_| (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:16:21 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Reality, what a concept!") 01:16:28 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 01:22:24 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 01:53:29 --- quit: xpololz (Client Quit) 02:21:55 --- quit: _dinya__ ("Smile!.. tommorow will be worse :) (c) Murphy") 02:38:14 --- join: proteusguy_ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 02:43:30 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:01:16 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:27:30 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 03:32:28 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@dyn-62-56-89-110.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 03:55:29 --- quit: proteusguy_ (Client Quit) 03:55:46 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 04:48:26 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 04:53:37 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 05:05:54 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:31:38 --- quit: ASau` ("HNY") 05:44:56 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:54:18 --- join: dandersen (n=dkcl@metabug/dandersen) joined #forth 06:08:57 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@83.1.168.198) joined #forth 07:25:44 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@adsl-99-69-199-131.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 08:30:16 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@dyn-62-56-89-110.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 08:49:33 --- join: Zarutian (n=zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 09:40:30 * madgarden is back (gone 08:45:41) 09:51:30 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@209-188-124-175.taosnet.com) joined #forth 09:51:32 hey 09:55:26 --- quit: schme (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:56:36 --- join: schme (n=marcus@c83-249-82-26.bredband.comhem.se) joined #forth 09:59:40 --- join: pgas (n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/pgas) joined #forth 10:33:39 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 10:50:05 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:02:01 Hola, Hejsan, Jambo, Bonjour, Privet, Ni hao, Shalom, Salaam, Annyong, Konnichiwa, Sawubona, Prijatno, Namaste, Dzien dobry, Aloha 11:03:33 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 11:04:48 --- quit: Al2O3 (Remote closed the connection) 11:05:05 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:07:39 --- quit: alex4nder ("snow") 11:08:28 --- quit: Al2O3 (Client Quit) 11:08:45 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:11:17 --- quit: Al2O3 (Client Quit) 11:11:50 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:16:14 --- quit: Al2O3 (Client Quit) 11:16:30 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:31:39 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Reality, what a concept!") 11:33:12 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@adsl-99-69-199-131.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 12:04:59 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:53:23 --- quit: pgas ("/quit") 14:07:34 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 15:00:56 Al2O3: More people speak Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian than Hawaiian. Why your choice of languages? 15:01:29 some of many. 15:01:50 Well, hello. =] 15:03:09 dandersen: teach 'em all bad linguish - serves 'em all right ;-) 15:03:29 Hehe. 15:03:35 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 15:10:55 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 16:12:20 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:19:43 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@209-188-124-175.taosnet.com) joined #forth 16:43:07 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:46:31 --- quit: garfield_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:47:09 --- join: garfield_ (n=uwekloss@p54867644.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:47:23 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 17:09:24 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:09:53 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:09:56 --- join: haiworld (n=haiworld@219.89.222.147) joined #forth 18:10:01 hi all 18:10:12 do stack effect declarations mean anything? 18:11:34 dup ( a -- a a ) 18:11:46 yes, of course - to humans at the least 18:12:48 ok 18:13:10 there is a whole lot of notations (atleast with gforth) ... how much should i follow this? 18:13:17 there is also a similar notation for locals, which itself DOES do some work 18:13:36 you follow all of it, until you are comfortable in it. 18:13:38 * dandersen grins. 18:14:17 otoh, if yer just poking about - don't read a thing.. Wander off and clickity-clack the keyboard. 18:14:51 thats me :D 18:15:07 yes.. usually reading is a skill no longer known 18:15:11 for e.g. swap ( a b - b a) <- there's types for u and n and stuff like that 18:15:31 it's all in the info pages.. and the web pages.. and the books. 18:15:39 ok 18:15:55 * dandersen is glad he bought the Forth Programmer's Handbook. 18:15:58 I suppose I could be paid enough to make a Speaking Book for it ;-) 18:16:09 i think my mistake it reading gforth's tutorial :( 18:16:20 it/is* 18:16:33 --- nick: madgarden -> MadgardeN2 18:16:40 haiworld: I could supply you with quite a few tutorials, but you can google enough until you find them yourself. =] 18:16:50 It's just one more forth variant. Once you get a handle on it, the rest falls into place or you work around it. 18:18:02 PoppaVic: I'm somewhat interested in what you do or used to do for a living. How did you end up with Forth? 18:18:25 Clearly two separate questions. 18:19:27 I started with forth in the dark-ages.. around the Z80 - TS/1000 era - then c64, cp/m, 286, etc - I generally cooked for a living, barring excursions into managing a Photoplot dept/pcb-proto shop, etc 18:19:46 --- join: erider (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 18:20:18 Forth is what I tinker in.. C is what I tend to think in, but it varies.. It's all recipes and cookin' ;-) 18:20:55 Thinking C, writing Forth. Sounds painful. 18:21:02 Not really. 18:21:19 * dandersen thinks Lisp and writes C, and it's not as painful as he thought it would be. 18:21:25 ANd, btw: I often advise C programmers to get "Thinking Forth" and buy a damned thesaurus ;-) 18:21:42 Why the thesaurus? 18:22:10 synonyms, antonyms, similarity-words, etc, etc 18:22:41 Maybe I'm too tired to get it =P 18:22:51 broden the voclist, and you don't cry about classes and name-clashes and such so much. Also leads AwayFromNamesLikeThisCrap() 18:22:59 Oh, I see what you mean now. 18:23:01 Agreed. 18:23:22 people do the *craziest* symbols. 18:23:50 I know about too long, and about too short, but not about crazy. 18:24:03 I saw some site the other day that codified the sorta' name-conventions I already use, but it took me years to get there alone. 18:25:15 [_]_() - I don't understand when people shoot for more than that. Complicates everything. 18:30:57 Fortunately, I've never been employed as a coder by anyone other than myself. 18:33:50 It's only fortunate if I stick to the rules, of course. I also need to clean the mess I make every now and then. 18:35:48 you don't want to be a coder, you want to be a programmer :-P 18:36:05 it's the same difference as between a builder and an architect 18:37:31 I've always treated them as synonyms. =P 18:37:36 The former, of course. 18:40:16 hey 18:40:35 Howdy. 18:41:34 yo yo yo 19:15:57 yo yo homie 19:16:33 : yo ( -- ) s" yo dawg" .s ; 19:16:36 :P 19:18:06 you mean TYPE not .S 19:18:31 yus 19:27:47 --- quit: dandersen ("leaving") 19:55:14 --- quit: erider ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]") 20:07:02 --- join: gogonkt (n=info@218.13.56.8) joined #forth 20:39:08 --- quit: haiworld (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:51:03 --- quit: alex4nder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:51:11 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:51:16 --- join: proteusguy_ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 21:03:01 --- nick: MadgardeN2 -> madgarden 21:16:20 --- join: haiworld (n=haiworld@219.89.222.147) joined #forth 21:17:38 --- quit: proteusguy_ (Client Quit) 21:17:58 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 21:39:59 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 21:40:26 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pops@adsl-99-150-132-96.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 21:40:50 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 22:05:32 --- quit: cataska (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:05:43 --- join: cataska (n=cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 22:07:55 --- quit: cataska (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:10:42 --- join: cataska (n=cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 22:55:15 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:55:28 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@83.1.168.198) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.12.30