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So is my knife roll, flour-bin, and cupboards. 09:59:40 if you don't want to have to complain about bugs in your compiler, write your own -- then suddenly there are mostly oversights, and much fewer bugs 10:00:28 I'm not sure that "bugs" is apropos anyway. I suspect that is not the proper term for whatever the issue is. 10:04:56 what do you suspect it is? 10:05:51 No idea, I walked in late. Still trying to grasp the Flow today. 10:16:54 segher: have you written one already? 10:17:26 compilers? yes, a few 10:17:55 Any portable one? 10:18:31 yes 10:18:37 all of them actually 10:18:50 --- quit: alex4nder ("bbl") 10:18:51 well, if you consider VMs portable, anyway 10:18:56 Show the code, and we'll see if it is useful for anything. 10:19:06 Oh, it is for VM! 10:19:09 "we" will? 10:19:16 It _isn't_ portable then. 10:19:35 do you consider GCC "useful for anything"? 10:19:44 Yes. 10:19:56 go look at that then 10:20:14 Sure, that's why "C" is much superior. 10:20:19 * PoppaVic chuckles 10:20:26 don't come back before you finished reading 10:20:32 (gotta' love them there beartraps in the path ;-) 10:20:37 thanks in advance. 10:21:01 Go write any reasonable quality compiler first. 10:21:16 Then come back and show the result. 10:21:26 We'll see if you succede. 10:22:34 Note that hordes of schemers don't need to deal with writing their own compiler. 10:22:40 troll tips part #342: a successful troll must have good spelling and write good sentence structure 10:23:04 Sad. 10:23:31 if you hate Forth so much, why don't you go play elsewhere? 10:23:41 segher: go learn any language outside germanic group. 10:23:59 wtf 10:24:06 what are you assuming *now*? 10:24:16 Uh, what's going on? 10:24:27 trolling for carp 10:24:40 carp! mmmmh, i'm hungry 10:24:41 dandersen: segher shows his excellent forth skills 10:24:44 or, flounder - bottom-feeders 10:24:49 * dandersen reads the backlog. 10:25:11 ASau: actually, I think you are seriously dazed, confused and lost. 10:25:59 PoppaVic: what else do you think? 10:26:32 I think I know a nice, economic solution. 10:26:55 applied. 10:40:42 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.97) joined #forth 11:07:48 --- join: madwork (n=madgarde@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 11:09:34 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@173-140-157-178.pools.spcsdns.net) joined #forth 11:09:42 hey 11:16:34 ohai 12:22:16 --- quit: xpololz (Client Quit) 12:25:08 --- quit: Al2O3 () 12:25:39 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:31:36 --- quit: Al2O3 () 12:32:24 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:35:33 --- quit: Al2O3 (Client Quit) 12:36:02 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:38:40 --- quit: Al2O3 (Client Quit) 12:39:01 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:53:55 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:21:16 --- quit: haiworld (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:39:09 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:51:46 --- quit: alex4nder ("leaving") 14:00:15 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@dynamic-109-121-73-52.adsl.eunet.rs) joined #forth 14:21:39 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 14:26:22 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 14:33:15 --- quit: Maki_ ("Leaving") 15:07:12 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 15:19:19 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@209-188-124-175.taosnet.com) joined #forth 15:56:43 or was it, The War of Northern Aggression? 15:56:48 haha 15:56:52 that's what the texans call it 15:57:10 ;) 15:57:37 Great book called "The Real Lincoln"....if you ever want a different perspective on that war. 15:59:09 * alex4nder adds it to the list. 15:59:51 although I could just go spend some time with my 75 year old cousin, who used to ski with Bush senior. 15:59:55 he's got a 'perspective' 16:01:08 * dandersen doesn't think Bush and the Republicans have anything to do with Southern nationalists. 16:01:18 Assuming "The Real Lincoln" deals with the latter subject. 16:01:40 dandersen: it's more my cousins,.. Bush is just a point of reference. 16:02:19 Ah, I see. 16:15:57 so colorforth boots. I just have no idea what to do with it. 16:15:58 heh 16:16:05 Haha. 16:16:15 turn the colors off? 16:16:37 oh noes. then it'll be all black & white & stuffs. I gots ta' have my colors! 16:17:05 green and black ;-) 16:17:55 well. it just puts me in a block at the bottom right. 16:18:03 it's slightly different from win32forth 16:18:43 and, of course, it should be mentioned that I'm just starting to play with it & have NO idea what I'm doing. :D 16:18:50 http://youtube.com/Raystm2 <-- what to do with colorForth 16:19:26 Raystm2: I was checking out your videos today,.. it's cool that you've put them online. 16:20:48 Thanks. I hope to do many many more. Those so far are the ruff cuts of one of many movies I hope to do to include the entire class of colored Forths. 16:21:14 Why? 16:21:37 Because it was there. 16:22:12 I was hoping for something a bit more instructional. :D 16:22:32 insomnia: what're you running colorforth under? 16:22:38 There may be some redeeming qualities about it. There is the idea of the minimal booting os and how far you can take it. 16:23:01 alex4nder: a WindowsXP Virtual Machine on top of MacOS X 16:23:39 ah, werd. 16:24:48 hah, I just tried booting CF2 under Wine,.. works fine. 16:25:12 insomnia, I am totally open to critique. in what direction can I take the 'instructional' for you? 16:25:47 I will be diving and delving into the code, in future. 16:27:09 This first set is because I promissed some movies, found a programming technique during my research that I had been using but only recently noticed and now it effects much of the code that i've previously written. That has affect on the movie production order now. 16:27:10 Raystm2: Oh, pay no attention to me. I've never used colorforth until today and the interface isn't what I was expecting. That's all. 16:27:33 cool. sorry. ego presumes hehe. 16:28:01 I'd LIKE to see instructional videos as well, but I don't know enough about it yet to make suggestions. I'm really just learning. 16:29:45 It is interesting. Some will say "no commercial value" but I'm not totally convinced. 16:31:24 I see something elegant in being able to boot and do and be the only software running in the system. There are meraid ways of accomoplishing this, and all of them can be compared to colorForth. 16:31:33 modus operandi 16:31:35 --- quit: garfield_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:32:50 Other, considered more sane forths have used things found there, and those things are worth discussing. 16:36:11 Also, historically speaking, the details of where the language inventor is currently "at" in his search for better computing tools and what he is experimenting with, that's interesting to me. I hope others as well. 16:38:17 I'm obviously biased but wish to lean neutral. 16:43:09 Raystm2: standalone, embedded.. "forth owns the machine" 16:43:25 Hoo Rah! 16:43:53 Hoo does the set up and Rah! drives it home. 16:43:55 well, I know I liked it on cp/m.. Liked it on the t/s-1000, and I liked it on the c64. 16:44:44 You got to play on more machines then me. I am envious of that. :) 16:45:22 I've never touched a commador save maybe to move the neighbor from house to house. 16:45:45 --- join: garfield_ (n=uwekloss@p54867724.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:45:46 It all took time.. took money.. Took patience. I would say I loved FIG-forth, then F-83 and F-pc.. It's nowhere near as fun or easy to tinker Gforth. 16:46:17 I mean.. you _work_ in it.. 16:46:46 I've only coded a fully functional program in gForth/win32Forth/minor hybred once. 16:46:52 but, it's not like you drop down the the source file to whack a patch, etc. All the nix-variants sorta' take away that "fun" 16:47:11 I was suprised after reading Glen Haydon that Forth was small and these are SO BIG> 16:47:19 yes 16:47:44 10000 words brain store! 16:47:59 brainsore 16:48:23 insomnia: did you go through the ColorForth2 tutorial? 16:48:29 well, if the base install would use more vocs and wordlists, it might help.. Two or 3 scrolled screens of "words" really suck. 16:48:44 hehe 16:48:46 yes 16:49:01 But to be honest, I 'love' those forths too. 16:49:40 You want windows integration and use the devices thru the host, Swift... win32,g,BIG, 16:50:24 all 'lovely. 16:50:25 I refuse to learn GUI-programming. period. 16:50:26 ' 16:51:12 I want some sorta' driver to write to.. Using curses-like in termwin/console, and browser/mdi-like in full-screen 16:53:00 or baring that... one can write to ports and send and receive the commands directly to the devices at the expence of portability and capablility/proportional to experiance and desire. 16:53:39 well, that's the point to a driver-interface. 16:53:54 or "daemon" - whatever 16:54:00 lol did i just write from the dictionary. 16:54:12 ? 16:54:45 hmm? 16:55:21 Sorry, I was trying to relate my "barring..." to an entry in the "dictionary" for "DRIVER" 16:55:41 english dictictionary and not forth 16:56:10 amplifying your "well, that's the point..." 16:56:43 well, unless the forth is literally THE system, it needs the bios/syscalls.. I just want to get a more generalized interface for the cruft. 16:58:04 We ( other colorforth enthusiasts i've talked to ) agree there is room for a colorForth that makes bios calls. this is the direction that looks interesting for devices including and similar to the OneLaptopPerChild device. 16:58:28 but it really comes down to education and device knowledge. 16:59:05 Note that the "bios" itself can be another program. Open or closed source would not matter - you just need the api and abi ;-) 16:59:19 hmm.. sounds like The Kernel ;-) 16:59:19 You could learn an os, we all know them all, or you can BE the os and with knowledge of your machine and code you write once and constantly improve you get basically the same result. 16:59:31 sorta' 16:59:52 Fortunately, PoppaVic we have OpenBios Forth in projects like OLPC. 17:00:15 One could hang a pretty handy forth off of something like that. 17:00:18 Yes, there are a number of them. Most don't interest me, as I don't burn chips. 17:00:35 sure, I understand that. 17:00:56 well, you don't need all the voodoo of those tools, either. In fact, you don't want to expose those capabilities. 17:01:11 olpc doesn't use OpenBIOS, it uses the original Open Firmware 17:01:16 My favorite thing about the OLPC alikes is the self-assembling network devices and software. 17:01:28 Thank you, segher, for clarity. 17:02:18 it's a quite full-featured Forth; openbios is not. it matters for your point i think ;-) 17:02:54 well, "firmware" covers more ground than "bios" ;-) 17:03:03 (bdos for all!) 17:03:05 that's just naming 17:03:07 I'm of an undereducated mind that the kind of code that makes a network of chipChuck like chips work, that scales to make huge networks of a well distributed singlular machine. 17:03:19 openbios tries to implement the open firmware standard as well 17:03:27 Indeed segher, I agree. 17:03:38 it sure is *bad* naming, heh 17:05:26 I can't believe I had to wade the freakin' web to get a freakin' list of syscalls.. And, I *still* gotta' wade the web to isolate the apropos std/inception dates. 17:06:20 The kinds of things i've seen on the TED movies about brain mapping, I can see Chucks chips building analogs of the parts of the brain. 17:06:55 it would be interesting to see something like his grid of cores, but with bigger cores 17:06:58 * alex4nder wirtes his first CF code. 17:07:10 segher agreed 17:07:11 so they become easier to program, mostly 17:07:52 cool alex4nder investigate and illuminate! 17:08:12 what is "CF code"? 17:08:20 oh, colorforth 17:08:26 ya. 17:09:45 segher i've wondered about a piggy back situation that one level does group comm over the groups of chips below. I think there is moving data and then using data. I'm an amature so go easy. :) 17:10:49 I've often thougth of 'smart wire' which is wire made up of chips separated by memory. 17:11:25 some way to cross connect them any way you want and walla... I don't know what. 17:11:35 well, the main (only?) problem in making faster / more efficient processor chips is comm, and local memory 17:12:03 which should be mechanically combined in production, somehow. 17:12:15 using a rectangular grid for comm is quite easy on current silicon technology, it being flat and all 17:13:14 local memories can be small enough as well, if your cores are not too tiny (say, make the ram about the same size as the cores) 17:13:30 lol some how the quanta over there need be synchronized with the electron over here... :_ 17:13:32 :) 17:14:04 I think that's right. that's smart 17:14:58 now your two problems are 1) finding the right balance between "how big are the cores" vs. "how many cores do you have"; and 2) figuring out how to program the damn things 17:15:24 cores and ram should be same same and everything is one componant. lol the pixel that is the button that is the part of speaker that is cpu and memory all to create what ever size screen/interface you want. the InyourFace interface. 17:16:29 well, if your ram is much smaller than your cores, making ram bigger isn't very expensive; and the other way around. it's just a balance 17:16:33 please include as speaker : speaker/microphone. 17:16:57 --- join: haiworld (n=haiworld@219.89.222.147) joined #forth 17:19:04 one buys hexels. hex shaped pixelputers or what have you as described above. As many as you dare afford. They assemble into what ever display you wish to present and it's all you ever need buy save the inevitable service contract. /daydream ends 17:20:05 oops not just yet... 17:20:37 it's your remote, your keyless entry to your home and car, your phone, and the interface to anything you have access to. 17:21:04 /now done, thank you for patience. 17:22:39 one company destroys itself by destroying everything else. What's the schedule? December 2012? 17:22:44 --- join: madwork_ (n=madgarde@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 17:22:54 Who's in? 17:22:56 :) 17:23:57 --- quit: garfield_ (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:57 --- quit: alex4nder (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:57 --- quit: madwork (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:57 --- quit: Quartus` (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:57 --- quit: dandersen (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:57 --- quit: rotty (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:23:58 --- quit: crc (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:24:17 --- quit: haiworld (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:26:37 programming them. 17:26:45 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@209-188-124-175.taosnet.com) joined #forth 17:26:47 that's the trick, indeed! 17:28:55 I suppose each heck!cell requires a stack of all of the next things it has to do by way of display/sound/sound ( gosh it has to be a camera too!!) ... 17:29:43 transmit and receive light, transmit and receive sound, transmit and receive touch. 17:29:50 Dude? It's grating.. Clip the wings, pour some icewater and welcome back to Reality. 17:30:06 deep breaths added to the list. 17:30:30 I suppose this diabetic could use a meal. :) 17:31:16 I can't emphatically say diabeties causes yer insanity, but it makes a good case. 17:32:07 It's well documented in the specific case, unfortunately, but has to be admitted to be a true documentarian to the subject matter. I could be wrong by reason of insanity. 17:32:42 All I got as evidence is a soon-to-be-ex - I pray - and yer last screen or two.. Go eat. 17:32:43 I have to live with that every day. I actually use the project to keep tabs on 'me'. 17:33:07 indeed. I shall. Thank you for the advice. :) 17:33:47 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:33:47 --- join: garfield_ (n=uwekloss@p54867724.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:33:47 --- join: madwork (n=madgarde@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 17:33:47 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.97) joined #forth 17:33:47 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o crc 17:34:16 cool many missed the diatribe in entirety. :) 17:35:05 --- join: rotty (n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com) joined #forth 17:38:58 gah... /e kicks google 17:39:20 why? ( lol thought you'd kick me first) 17:39:30 I want to nail down what calls are which std.. starting with syscalls.. Of course google won't cooperate 17:39:42 oh yes. sorry. forgot you where doing that. 17:40:04 google has become the defacto lib search, I gather? 17:40:10 I use it. 17:40:44 well, it's not "lib" - I'm contemplating which call/syscall is which std, so I might form a list by "sections" and subsections. 17:40:56 ty for clarity. 17:41:25 what's being subdivided, should you care to continue? 17:41:33 The issue is, they dump everything into libc - obviating the purpose. 17:42:12 oh, lol, sorry miss read your last... 17:42:12 hmm? oh - trying to logically group things by which std and area.. networking, dirs, files, etc 17:42:21 see the C standard to see which function calls are standard C. see the POSIX/SUS standards to see which are that. "syscalls" aren't standardised. 17:42:55 got it. my bad. 17:43:23 Yes, I am aware they vary; yes, aware of the holy std-docs.. I just figured that with umpty-std floating around, it'd be done by this century ;-> 17:43:47 Go! projects! 17:44:21 --- join: haiworld (n=haiworld@219.89.222.147) joined #forth 17:44:48 cat calls-by-std >/dev/stone_tablets 17:46:16 * Raystm2 's wife is filling the belly filling requirement and one may find oneself presentable yet again in relatively short order. Speaking of short order i'll have a roast beaf dinner and be right back. :) 17:47:09 --- quit: rotty (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:47:09 --- quit: Quartus` (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:47:09 --- quit: crc (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:47:10 --- quit: madwork (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:47:10 --- quit: garfield_ (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:51:02 --- quit: nighty__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:54:08 --- join: dandersen (n=dkcl@metabug/dandersen) joined #forth 17:56:30 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:56:30 --- join: garfield_ (n=uwekloss@p54867724.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:56:30 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.97) joined #forth 17:56:30 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o crc 17:57:17 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@tin51-1-82-226-147-104.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 17:57:19 segher: be that way - I'm grabbing susv4.tar.bz2 to read thru.. or rape, as the case may be ;-) 17:57:56 --- join: rotty (n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com) joined #forth 18:00:58 heh 18:01:23 the sus docs actually say which function comes from standard C 18:01:50 well, "working with posix" always seemed more sensible anyway. Yeah, i know it covers far more than I even want to know. 18:02:27 i sure hope so! 18:02:47 "it's just a damned engine!" ;-) 18:06:38 speaking of engines... I've just downloaded some old doom engines, and I know there are better ones but I don't know what they are. Looking to find things to merge into an open source version of OKAD called YouCAD. 1% the code, 99% the You. ( don't know if I should be evoking a Yogi Barra-ism with maybe 1% the code, the other half you, but the first one makes better sence.) 18:09:41 --- quit: haiworld (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:11:43 visual python also has influence. 18:12:16 that's sad 18:12:33 is it? 18:13:02 I'm certain a book on 3d assmbler is in order. 18:16:29 gosh I think I recall one in google books or wikipedia books /me goes to find. 18:21:33 ohwait. 18:21:39 I have to boot colorforth. 18:21:57 not just. launch it. 18:22:36 insomnia, if you are going native yes boot, but if you are hosting in windows then you can launch it in windows too. 18:23:01 I can just execute cfdos.com ? 18:23:29 no. sorry. wrong colorForth my bad, thought you were using the newest not the oldes. 18:23:35 +t 18:24:15 http://sourceforge.net/projects/colorforth 18:24:31 cfdos.com. doh! not the oldest. that's Howerd Oakfords. windows veiwer. and it does launch in windows. 18:24:57 insomnia: I think I'll give it a try. I'm gonna get back to learning Forth, and that might be fun. 18:25:21 * Raystm2 checking out the link to be sure 18:25:32 I'm very new at it. 18:25:51 Okay, I'm correct. 18:25:55 A friend recommended colorforth, but the links on Mr. Moore's page seem to be broken. I found this with a search. 18:25:58 Same here, though I did manage to write ed in Forth one or two years ago. I've forgotten most about it though. 18:25:59 That is Howerds viewer. 18:26:17 oh yes, I see that now. thank you. 18:26:36 it says as much when it runs 18:26:49 Howerds viewer allows one to look at the byte code section of a previously prepared colorforth and is not a running model of same. 18:27:32 It can be used to read natives in host and also to merge kernels with bytecode creating all kinds of forths, colored or otherwise. 18:27:52 there will be a movie... 18:28:13 Howerd has already given me permission and I plan to interview him. 18:29:21 insomnia: I just downloaded ColorForth 2.0A and ran it under wine 18:29:34 If you want to run colorForth before you have a real handle on it then I suggest the windows versions. 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Get it it you want it." 18:39:36 and she makes it like, MY decision if she has it or not. 18:39:36 --- quit: proteusguy_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:39:36 hah! that's females.. They don't have the same processor, sensors or OS.. Even the Programs are different ;-) 18:39:36 --- join: proteusguy_ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 18:39:36 lol agreed. 18:39:36 --- quit: proteusguy_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:39:36 I'm female and I don't get women. 18:39:41 but I don't get men either, so that makes it all even. 18:39:52 sweet! that's funny! 18:40:05 I fail at human logic. 18:40:05 My fav is the: Ask them 'A', and get a different answer 'Z' - and 30 minutes more of 18:40:18 ..reminds me of early modems.. papertapes.. 18:40:24 until it's your fault for missing the info. 18:40:32 gpf 18:40:42 linenoise ;-P 18:40:43 girlfriend protection fault 18:41:19 I just keep wanting to say, "Bbbbbut....there are undefined variables....." 18:41:28 Raystm2: at LEAST they could employ zmodem... 18:41:29 hehe 18:41:56 lol some form of ack wait loop might help as well. 18:42:15 you know what? That could be the theme of my life. "undefined variables" 18:42:26 get that damned divorce and never worry about it again. 18:42:27 great title. 18:42:38 but then who will hug me? 18:42:39 DONE THAT. 18:42:43 lol 18:43:14 someone has to be responsible for feeding me while I focus on the project! :) 18:43:40 divorce denied! slavitute resumes! 18:43:47 reminds me of a joke. You know why divorces are expensive? Because they're worth it. 18:43:47 gosh what am I? 18:43:52 lol 18:44:12 --- quit: nighty_ (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:13 --- quit: scj (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:14 --- quit: madgarden (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:14 --- quit: lawlessmcnutty (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:14 --- quit: proteusguy (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:14 --- quit: Zarutian (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:44:41 the marriage cost enough. the divorce is over the top. 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