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belonged in their own spaces. 18:04:45 I agree that heads should be separated from the runtime stuff. 18:05:28 KipIngram: it becomes a small issue when you want a vocabulary to come along, but not what is under it to be exposed ;-) 18:06:43 I mix headers in, but that's mostly due to my desire to impose minimal restrictions on memory usage 18:31:03 crc: I've always hated to "block up" memory too; the notion of having the two ends growing toward each other has such a nice elegant appeal to it. 18:31:12 Every step away from that hurts a little. 18:31:38 I grow from one end to the other 18:33:00 So what sort of restrictions on memory usage are you referring to? 18:33:02 well, it depends on the imp. In a lot of ways, the heads are "private" anyway.. In an embedded project you certainly care, anywhere else - you just need to add, delete, find. 18:33:42 In most of the embedded projects I've done I've kept the headers on the host. 18:34:04 not all implementations of my vm provide the same memory to the image 18:35:05 (MIDP and JavaScript both have reduced memory compared with the other implementations) 18:37:04 I run the same image file on all vm implementations, so have to be able to check for memory and adapt accordingly 18:39:58 crc, PoppaVic: You guys are at the other end of the spectrum from me. I'm fretting around with clock cycles and gate delays and so forth. 18:40:29 I haven't done that since very early on the z80's 18:40:56 KipIngram: that does make a difference 18:41:17 clock-counting, I mean. crc it will when he's trying to design hw and sw at the same time.. 18:49:34 Well, I'm not trying to design software right now, but I am trying to "roll in" all of my software design experience in hopes of getting the "right" hardware. 18:49:50 It's a very fuzzy process - I've learned to just trust my gut over the years. 18:50:16 I don't actually work out examples and "virtually try" design candidates. They just "feel" right or wrong. 18:50:39 PoppaVic: I don't currently have the time or patience to work on custom hardware :( 18:50:51 Easier to write code to emulate this, that and other - then come back and make whatever, if I understand the FPGA gig 18:51:18 crc: too much money for such a hobby.. Cooking, reloading and code is about all I can afford. 18:52:22 Well, once you have the $149 development kit for the FPGA it *is* just cooking and reloading code. VHDL instead of C or assembly, but it is still code. 18:53:58 heh.. WHen I see $149, I plan to get the wireless card or usb for the powerbook and a pound of tobacco ;-) 19:00:59 But for what it gives you access to... 19:01:28 But yes, there are lots of beer brewing do-dads I could get for those $$$ too. 19:01:50 I got those - or rather, sis has it all for now ;-) 19:03:40 KipIngram: which FPGA kit do you have? 19:26:19 --- quit: proteusguy__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:32:49 --- join: noelhenson (n=noel@75-106-241-179.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 19:33:18 crc: Sorry - got distracted here. Spartan 6 development kit. It's at the office - I'd have to go to the Xilinx website to get the specific part #. 19:33:30 The one I have cost more than $149, but they had a $149 one too, I think. 19:34:00 I love the Spartan 6 - it has 6-input basic functions instead of 4. Wow - you can do a lot more with that. 19:45:07 --- join: proteusguy__ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 20:45:15 --- join: proteusguy_ (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 20:48:55 --- quit: proteusguy__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:57:10 --- quit: proteusguy_ (Client Quit) 20:57:59 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 21:36:25 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:38:46 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@CPE001d7e527f89-CM00159a65a870.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 21:39:50 --- join: alex4nder (n=alexande@70-7-243-66.pools.spcsdns.net) joined #forth 21:39:51 hey 21:50:24 hola 21:55:59 how's it? 22:06:05 It is what it is. ;) 22:07:06 cool 22:07:16 I finally came up with the arch for processing the data. 22:07:20 (in my product, that I was working on) 22:07:59 I simplified things enough that the normal request side really just accesses the database, and only one request is live at a time, so queuing becomes a non-issue. 22:09:37 now I just need my MPE license to show up. 22:10:57 Excellent. 22:11:21 Let me know you like the MPE toolchain. 22:13:14 I will. I've only read their cross documentation sofar. 22:13:19 it seems pretty straight forward. 22:18:11 It does. I've read them as well. But I've been using SwiftX and have several licenses for different targets. 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