00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.11.18 00:08:01 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@CPE001d7e527f89-CM00159a65a870.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 00:11:58 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 00:19:53 --- quit: krainbolt ("Leaving") 00:35:58 --- quit: PoppaVic (Client Quit) 01:36:34 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 01:55:12 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:29:26 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote closed the connection) 02:56:34 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 03:31:32 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:32:00 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 04:05:27 --- quit: schme (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:09:25 --- join: schme (n=marcus@c83-249-82-26.bredband.comhem.se) joined #forth 04:28:42 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 04:39:20 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 04:45:37 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 05:00:15 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 05:47:49 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 06:06:26 --- join: dinya (i=Denis@94.180.65.172) joined #forth 06:21:02 --- quit: elspru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:32:07 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@99.150.139.232) joined #forth 06:54:12 --- quit: foxLaptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:57:17 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:01:19 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 07:02:41 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 07:09:28 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@222.131.163.19) joined #forth 07:38:56 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 08:03:24 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.60) joined #forth 08:11:53 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk) joined #forth 08:47:17 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:18:27 --- join: impomatic (n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) joined #forth 09:43:08 --- join: DrunkTomato (n=DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru) joined #forth 09:49:19 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:56:57 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 10:42:04 --- quit: dinya (Connection reset by peer) 11:00:25 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:05:35 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 11:09:44 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.60) joined #forth 11:18:18 --- quit: nottwo ("leaving") 11:21:58 --- join: nottwo (n=trannie@designvox-gw.iserv.net) joined #forth 11:48:06 --- join: ben_m (n=ben@85-127-18-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #forth 12:17:58 --- quit: ASau ("reboot") 12:23:19 Is there a difference between the words I and R@? 12:25:32 it would depend on yer imp, naturally. The words are different, so I expect different operations. 12:28:07 i use gforth ... but "Starting Forth" said they do the same 12:28:32 ben_m: Starting forth is a fine primer - for a dead dialect of a commercial product. 12:28:44 It has pretty pictures though. 12:29:00 What do you recommend for a beginner, then? :) 12:29:00 it can and will vary by implementation and dialect. use "see" on the words of interest. 12:29:23 well, I learned of forth and got The Books over 20 years ago.. 12:29:37 Loeliger is useful. So is Ting. 12:32:19 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 12:36:21 --- quit: ASau (Client Quit) 12:50:03 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 13:36:11 ben_m, 《Starting Forth》 13:37:00 uhm? 13:53:53 --- quit: impomatic ("mov.i #1,1") 13:59:50 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 14:03:06 ben_m: You might also look at Stephen Pelc's _Programming Forth_ 14:04:31 Found it, looks great. Thanks :) 14:05:00 Starting Forth isn't bad, as long as you bear in mind that it's fairly dated. 14:05:16 yeah, it's a conceptual-book 14:05:22 "Fairly" is 25 years. 14:05:38 Technology changed very much during that. 14:06:09 Sure. But Forth the language hasn't changed all that much. 14:06:25 Well... I'd not say that. 14:06:43 * PoppaVic sighs 14:07:00 :p 14:07:03 Implementations have changed quite a bit, of course. 14:07:28 mebbe 21st century edition of thinking forth? 14:09:00 if it ever gets done ;) 14:09:03 schme: I'm slowly progressing through our ld.elf_so :) 14:09:24 ASau: our what what? 14:09:32 NetBSD rtld. 14:09:51 ASau: I seem to remember seeing last week just before I went on a lil vacatino that you told me to cvs update my pkgsrc tree? 14:10:07 Yes. 14:10:11 PFE was imported. 14:11:09 (: 14:11:42 I actually had some netbsd problems just yesterday. pkg_add xulrunner from netbsd ftp gave me an xulrunner + a sqlite3 that was too old for it 14:11:54 Weird. 14:12:02 yup 14:12:04 * schme shrugs 14:12:05 Tried asking? 14:12:13 I asked #netbsd, sure. 14:12:22 I was pointed to pkgsrc. 14:12:30 xulrunner maintainer kinda responsive. 14:12:50 yeah. I will look back into it. But it was 1am and I was supposed to be sleeping 14:12:51 Very responsive. 14:14:01 if you don't run slow system, building may be quite viable option 14:14:22 new firefox-xulrunner seems to build way faster than previous. 14:14:50 yup I built that there sqlite and xulrunner 14:14:54 took maybe just 2-3 hrs so it's ok 14:15:25 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 14:15:30 I remember building gcc on 8MB RAM 486. so an hour or 3 is just fine :) 14:16:15 I remember fixing openoffice. 14:16:23 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 14:16:25 3 hours is nothing. 14:17:16 but it is a long time to wait for browsing porn! 14:17:38 Anyway, try to find some time for lang/pfe. 14:18:01 Yup. I wrote a note here :) 14:18:20 not on net at the moment so it will have to wait 'til I have moved to the other room. 14:18:25 (: 14:18:25 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:42:34 Odd, I wrote [ ] in gforth (no idea why) and now it responds with compiled instead of ok 14:42:39 Every line. 14:44:10 the ] enabled compiler 14:44:21 the [ escapes it 14:44:36 Ah 14:45:18 So I could use ] 10 0 do i . loop [ without having to define a throwaway word? 14:45:46 No, I can't :D 14:47:11 heh 14:47:43 they've got an :anon word or some such 14:48:10 as soon as you enable the compiler, yer eating space and that's that. 14:49:29 :noname 10 0 do i . loop ; execute 14:49:32 ben_m: you cannot use "loop" in interpreter. 14:50:16 I know, that's why I wanted to switch to compiler mode with ] [ :D 14:50:20 tathi: Thanks :) 14:50:53 tathi: doesn't it leak memory? 14:53:13 alright, good night :) 14:53:59 --- quit: ben_m ("night night :)") 15:13:54 --- join: ASau` (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 15:31:07 --- quit: ASau (No route to host) 15:37:34 --- join: ASau`` (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 15:39:27 --- quit: ASau` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:06:31 --- nick: ASau`` -> ASau 16:10:50 bem_m you might be able to do something likle here ] do lots of forth code loop [ >r 16:10:52 heh 16:10:57 but thats kind of sillyness 16:11:17 actually 16:11:30 you would need to put an exit on the end of that or you would crash 16:11:43 here ] do ... loop exit [ >r 16:34:42 I'm building an assembler in rc shell script, primarily to work on my Loeliger inspired TiL - this is the closest place I have to find anyone who maybe interested :) 16:34:45 http://www.maht0x0r.net/library/computing/avr/til/ 16:35:43 I'm using it to build code to burn into AVR micros 16:36:34 pm me if you want to ask anything (lol yeah!) cos I'm off to bed 17:30:06 --- quit: DrunkTomato () 17:40:48 --- join: krainbolt (n=krainbol@adsl-065-013-148-105.sip.msy.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 18:32:05 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0022b0b24a15-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:32:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:09:17 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:35:56 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 20:11:31 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:12:18 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@zeppelin.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 20:29:10 * madgarden is away: aseepin' 20:37:23 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@59.39.12.220) joined #forth 20:37:31 --- quit: foxes (Remote closed the connection) 20:49:55 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:58:48 --- quit: segher ("This computer has gone to sleep") 21:24:48 maht: same advice: don't abuse shell, use real programming language. 21:28:32 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 21:32:26 --- log: started forth/09.11.18 21:32:26 --- join: clog_ (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 21:32:26 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 21:32:26 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 21:32:26 --- names: list (clog_ nighty^ gogonkt_ proteusguy @Quartus krainbolt ASau nottwo Quartus` mathrick foxLaptop PoppaVic schme madgarden cataska malyn I440r uiu gnomon nighty___ scj maht Al2O3 saper probonono aguai zbrown kleinjt Snoopy_1611 aguaithegeek TR2N KipIngram clog uiu_ Frek madwork yiyus) 21:45:51 --- quit: clog (Connection timed out) 21:45:51 --- nick: clog_ -> clog 22:14:48 --- quit: ASau ("off") 22:55:15 --- log: started forth/09.11.18 22:55:15 --- join: clog_ (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 22:55:15 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 22:55:15 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 22:55:15 --- names: list (clog_ clog nighty^ gogonkt_ proteusguy @Quartus krainbolt nottwo Quartus` mathrick foxLaptop PoppaVic schme madgarden cataska malyn I440r uiu gnomon yiyus madwork Frek uiu_ KipIngram TR2N aguaithegeek Snoopy_1611 kleinjt zbrown aguai probonono saper Al2O3 maht nighty___ scj) 23:02:44 --- quit: Al2O3 () 23:09:52 --- quit: clog (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:09:52 --- nick: clog_ -> clog 23:20:38 --- join: ASau (n=user@host121-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 21:23:38 --- log: started forth/09.11.18 21:23:38 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 21:23:38 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 21:23:38 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 21:23:38 --- names: list (clog TR2N` ASau gogonkt_ proteusguy @Quartus krainbolt nottwo Quartus` mathrick foxLaptop schme madgarden cataska malyn I440r uiu gnomon yiyus madwork Frek uiu_ KipIngram aguaithegeek Snoopy_1611 kleinjt zbrown aguai probonono saper maht nighty___ scj) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.11.18