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04:15:40 <KipIngram> Good morning.
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05:36:17 <KipIngram> Ok, I just asked our admin to order me a Spartan 6 development kit; it sports the XC6SLX45T-3 device.  So soon I hope to actually get thing I've talked about running.
05:44:12 <ASau> Custom allocators suck.
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14:24:53 <PoppaVic> whee.. groceries and yum-yum's for all
14:25:06 <ben_m> Wheee.
14:25:22 <PoppaVic> nice to see food in the freezer and fridge again ;-)
14:26:27 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  Got the email, now I gotta' cogitate a decent reply ;-)
14:28:05 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  it was nice to get a ton of peppers of asorted types for chili and such ;-)
14:29:10 <ben_m> Sounds tasty :)
14:29:40 <PoppaVic> chipoltes, jalepenos, serrano's ;-)
14:30:01 <PoppaVic> even tomatillo's and green-peppers were affordable - it was fun ;-)
14:31:07 <ben_m> om nom nom
14:31:12 <PoppaVic> heh
14:31:22 <PoppaVic> Cooks, sheesh - we can't help it ;-)
14:31:59 <ben_m> When I get an inspiration to cook something, it ends in inedible ... somethings.
14:33:20 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  anyone can code, can cook. really.
14:34:05 <ben_m> I can fry eggs.
14:34:09 <PoppaVic> I find baking vastly more irksome, yet experimental/interesting of late. There are an awful lot of variables.
14:34:43 <PoppaVic> What bugs me most of late is prices.. Sheesh, it's getting impossible.
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14:37:00 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  Cooking requires a very few decent tools, and a decent text or two - just like programming ;-)
14:37:23 <PoppaVic> The rest of it is the investment in "practice" ;->
14:42:34 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  admittedly, I've spent about as much on knives and such as programming books ;-)
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14:44:16 <ben_m> PoppaVic: Yeah, ... I don't read recipes, that's probably why my kitchen creations fail.
14:45:01 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  yah. Beginners simply must - I know I still do for some - after awhile you start shortcutting and adapting.
14:45:21 <ben_m> I still have my mother to cook for me, so all is fine.
14:45:33 <PoppaVic> heh.. Convenient.
14:45:43 <ben_m> and delicious
14:47:15 <PoppaVic> ben_m:  I'm not sure of yer age, but believe me: learn to cook.
14:48:40 <ben_m> I will.
14:48:55 <ben_m> I think when I have to, I can cook :P
14:49:20 <PoppaVic> it's like learning to solder, plumb, saw, etc
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15:25:49 <schme>  #gastronomy ?
15:30:48 <PoppaVic> schme:  programming. mechanics. art. science. safety.
15:31:10 <schme> PoppaVic: huh?
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15:31:30 <PoppaVic> #gast
15:31:44 <schme> Ok I'm a bit lost here
15:32:04 <PoppaVic> Hi. I'm pops.. How goes it?
15:33:08 <schme> It goes somewhat ok. I just noticed I have lost my xulrunner so I am trying to figure pkgsrc out
15:33:22 <PoppaVic> lovely
15:33:29 <schme> not really. I just wanna surf the net
15:34:06 <schme> \o/
15:34:11 <schme> what is up in poppaland?
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15:34:41 <PoppaVic> groceries mostly stashed, beans for the chili done; meat browning now.
15:34:57 <schme> sounds great.
15:35:09 <PoppaVic> ..I gotta' repackage the seranno's and chipoltes and finish up the chili for baking off.
15:35:17 <schme> no idea what that is
15:35:23 <schme> chipoltes and seranno
15:36:04 <PoppaVic> seranno's are thin, very spciey peppers I rather like. Chipolte are roasted jalepenos - it mellows the flavor - in a sauce.
15:36:35 <Rugxulo> what is pico de gallo?
15:36:38 <schme> hmmm ok.
15:36:52 <Rugxulo> what is pico de gallo?
15:37:11 <PoppaVic> we hit up a Gordons food-service Outlet, so I scored some larger cans for lower unit-price.. I love foods with some bite.
15:37:40 <schme> I see
15:38:15 <Rugxulo> "In Mexican cuisine, Pico de gallo (Spanish for "rooster's beak") is a fresh uncooked condiment made from chopped tomato, onion, and sometimes chiles (typically jalapeños or serranos)."
15:38:18 <Rugxulo> -- Wikipedia
15:38:54 <schme> oh mexican
15:38:56 <schme> I was thinking indian
15:39:01 <PoppaVic> heh.
15:39:02 <schme> don't think I've ever had mexican
15:39:04 <schme> sounds exotic
15:39:08 <schme> I like a good curry
15:39:17 <Rugxulo> taco? burrito? chimichanga?
15:39:21 <schme> ok
15:39:26 <schme> I've heard of tacos
15:39:37 <PoppaVic> Indian food doesn't vary too far - just the spice-bases. The reasons are all the same, climate varies for propagation/availability is all
15:39:42 <Rugxulo> no Taco Bell where you live?
15:40:13 <schme> Rugxulo: nope. Never heard of the place tbh.
15:40:43 <Rugxulo> well it's just food, so ... pretty much all the same (meat, cheese, vegs)
15:41:01 <schme> yeees I guess
15:41:15 <schme> I mostly eat salmon, eggs and chicken
15:41:28 <schme> just maybe 1-2kg of beef / week. so not so much of that.
15:42:50 <Rugxulo> put some meat and cheese and tomato w/ salt + pepper on a tortilla or pita (or any bread), voila! pseudo-Mexican food   :-)
15:42:58 <PoppaVic> Well, I've prepared most all the glop.
15:43:39 <schme> I'll google up tortilla as soon as I get conkeror running again
15:43:50 <PoppaVic> Conquerer.
15:44:20 <PoppaVic> torilla' is just a flour or corn "pancake" that's very thin, high-density.
15:44:20 <schme> uh
15:44:26 <schme> conkeror I'm pretty sure it is
15:45:10 <PoppaVic> oh, KDE variant is Konquerer. S'ok.. So many spins on so few tools ;-)
15:45:37 <schme> yeah that one is shite
15:45:40 <schme> conkeror is nice though
15:45:45 <schme> it's like vimperator, but emacs bindings
15:50:26 <KipIngram> My God, where are you guys from?  No Mexican???
15:50:38 <KipIngram> Come to Houston; I'll buy you dinner.
15:51:17 <schme> ok
15:51:22 <schme> maybe when I go to the US next time
15:52:21 <PoppaVic> Food doesn't vary vastly.
15:52:33 <PoppaVic> Just like code.
15:52:45 <PoppaVic> Presentations vary some
15:54:35 <KipIngram> Now I'm hungry. :-(
15:54:50 <KipIngram> I want my mother-in-law's tamales.
15:54:55 <PoppaVic> I recommend the chili ;-)
15:55:09 <PoppaVic> I do lack the Super-Secret Ingrdient, alas..
15:55:10 <KipIngram> I had chili for lunch yesterday.  
15:55:29 <PoppaVic> chili has a Day? ;-)
15:56:55 <PoppaVic> My sister-in-law took me to lunch awhile ago on biz and trip back.. I really hate places listing chili on the menu and then say "oh. No, we only sell chili in the winter - people only buy it in the winter." - are you daft?
15:57:19 <Rugxulo> that's like breakfast only in the morning
15:57:23 <Rugxulo> typical but not ideal
15:57:37 <Rugxulo> esp. when they (McDonalds, I think) only serve up to 10:30am ... sheesh
15:57:50 <Rugxulo> God forbid somebody eat a scrambled egg at 11am!
16:01:42 <KipIngram> Or 10:35, for that matter.  Or 10:31.
16:02:00 <KipIngram> I've seriously had a McDonald's turn me down for breakfast three minutes after the cutoff.
16:02:11 <Rugxulo> they are annoying
16:02:21 <KipIngram> There's such a thing as losing sight of the big picture.
16:02:22 <Rugxulo> "Sorry, no breakfast, would you like a McRib?"
16:02:41 <Rugxulo> "Well, I gue..." "Oops, sorry, we just discontinued it again."
16:03:43 <schme> hahah
16:03:44 <schme> breakfast at 11
16:03:47 <schme> that's funny :D
16:04:06 <KipIngram> Ok, I've come to grips now with the fact that I won't get mom-in-law's tamales until Christmas.  That's when she usually makes them.
16:04:08 <schme> I didn't even think people ate at mcdonalds. It is a sad world where it is legal to call that stuff food
16:05:01 <KipIngram> Well, it is pretty awful for you, but wow it can be good sometimes.  I've pretty much stopped eating there, though.  Can't remember the last time.
16:05:45 <KipIngram> I've purged processed grains and potatos, among other things, from my diet, and that leaves little to choose from at McD's.
16:06:00 <schme> Why?
16:07:09 <KipIngram> Why have I purged those things?  They're bad for you.  They're essentially sugar bombs; all the calories hit your system at once.  Whole grains "seep in" more slowly so your system has time to respond.
16:07:31 <schme> You make it sound like sugar is bad.
16:07:35 <KipIngram> I'm not diabetic, but it's the same sort of stuff that keeps a diabetic from being able to eat, say, bread.
16:07:41 <KipIngram> It's poison.
16:07:44 <schme> It's not.
16:07:51 <schme> carbs are essential to human nutrition.
16:07:54 <KipIngram> Well, ok, it's not.  It doesn't kill you.
16:07:59 <KipIngram> I agree - I eat lots of carbs.
16:08:03 <schme> uh
16:08:06 <KipIngram> Just whole grain ones.  
16:08:09 <schme> all carbs are sugar.
16:08:25 <schme> sounds a strange thing to do.
16:08:53 <KipIngram> But whole grains have a lower glycemic index; they don't dump it all on your system in the same aggressive fashion that processed grains and straight up sugar do.
16:09:11 <schme> right.
16:09:38 <KipIngram> Replacing white bread with whole grain bread, rice with brown rice, etc. was easy.  I MISS POTATOS!!!  Somebody needs to engineer a "whole grain" potato or whatever.
16:09:51 <schme> But you are aware that recent research (2008-2009, and many studies to be finished 2010) has shown glycemic index and bloodsugar / insulin fluctuation to be a big marketing lie, yes?
16:09:52 <KipIngram> Staying away from french fries has been tough.
16:10:02 <schme> huh
16:10:04 <KipIngram> No - please cite.  I'd love to read it.
16:10:13 <schme> just put potatoe in water, boil it. It's whole grain.
16:10:28 <KipIngram> I've always heard that it's almost like sugar with a skin.
16:10:34 <schme> hmm.. can I get back to you on that later? I can't browse. xulrunner is broken for me so I can't log into dem sites.
16:10:39 <schme> eh.
16:10:52 <schme> I love these well marketed diets.
16:10:57 <schme> atkins was the funniest one.
16:10:59 <schme> (:
16:11:08 <KipIngram> Yes, please do.  I really would like to read it.  I will admit that I've always felt like "everything's a fad" in that area, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that I've finally been lured in by one.
16:11:51 <KipIngram> But honestly I do feel better (could be imaginary), and I am losing weight.  But I'm exercising better than I did too, so the weight loss isn't necessarily due to the diet change.
16:11:58 <schme> diet and nutrition is a bit.. odd. But whatever works for you you should stick with.
16:12:01 <schme> listen to your body :)
16:12:14 <KipIngram> Well, something is working, psychological or not.
16:12:18 <schme> excellent.
16:12:31 <KipIngram> And I have evolved a pretty nice whole grain pizza crust recipe.
16:13:09 <KipIngram> And finally, after *years* of trying, learned to cook brown rice so it's actually enjoyable.
16:13:59 <schme> a work mate of mine is doing a study at this moment on the "bloodsugar roller coaster" as I like to call it. They have been feeding a group of people a diet of extremely high GI at regular intervals (I think maybe 5hrs it was) for some weeks. then switched to no food at all during the whole day + last 4 hrs of day they would get much high GI food again.
16:14:04 <schme> for some weeks.
16:14:10 <schme> while having blood sugar actually monitored.
16:14:33 <KipIngram> That sounds interesting.
16:14:39 <schme> yeees
16:15:01 <schme> the 'problem' is that it turns out that the bloodsugar has been pretty much stable the whole time and not gone up and down like crazy
16:15:29 <KipIngram> Heh heh.  A lot of people aren't going to like that.
16:16:05 <schme> well not me anyway.
16:16:32 <schme> I have for years and years depended on the FACT that these high GI products will give me a crazy insulin boost and make my muscles grow :P
16:16:54 <KipIngram> They do?  I didn't know that.
16:17:43 <schme> well the idea earlier has been that high GI will give you a high sugar peek and thus generate much insulin for your body
16:17:53 <schme> and insulin is quite the anabolic product.
16:17:54 <KipIngram> Hmmm.  My kid wants me to help her put together her robotics experimenter kit.
16:18:06 <KipIngram> Wow.  Lots of little parts.
16:18:20 <schme> so us people that like to .. lift heavy things. have thought stimulating it being a good idea
16:18:36 <schme> that's why they're selling "gainer shakes". extreme high GI + protein. and mix it with water.
16:18:39 <schme> YUM
16:20:15 <KipIngram> Man, that sounds scary to me right now.  The shakes, not the little robot parts.
16:20:47 <schme> (:
16:20:50 <KipIngram> My other daughter likes electronics.  We got her a kit a couple of years ago, but now she wants something "more advanced."  So today I ordered her a PIC microcontroller project kit.
16:21:11 <schme> that sounds like a lot of fun :)
16:21:22 <KipIngram> I'm already contemplating the notion of getting a PIC Forth, hooking the microcontroller kit to the robot arm, and letting the two of them go to town.
16:21:25 <schme> now why are you on here instead of helping her? :)
16:21:37 <KipIngram> I'm reading the instruction book.
16:21:40 <schme> ehehhe
16:22:13 <KipIngram> She's at cheer practice anyway.
16:22:14 <schme> avr is nice . but maybe overkill
16:22:51 <KipIngram> Robotics and cheerleading - now that's a well-rounded kid. :-D
16:23:52 <KipIngram> Not to brag or anything. ;-)
16:24:11 <schme> You should be proud
16:25:47 <PoppaVic> sorry.. back.. the chili is now all set into castiron; remaining stuff is in cuisinarte to finish ;-)
16:27:27 <KipIngram> Looks like we have spaghetti her.  Good thing my wife will be home soon or I might break down and eat it all without her.  All this food talk has me ravenous.
16:27:42 <KipIngram> spaghetti *here*
16:28:14 <PoppaVic> I did that the other day, but meantless - with penne ;-)
16:28:20 <KipIngram> Wow, these assembly instructions are 26 pages long.  We're not doing all of this tonight.  Maybe a teaching lesson on project scheduling is in order.
16:28:21 <PoppaVic> meat-less
16:28:43 <KipIngram> You know, it's funny how the brain works.  I read the first thing you typed as "meatless."
16:29:08 <PoppaVic> yeah, I saw that AS I typed - then reialized my cold fingers had burped ;-)
16:29:33 <KipIngram> It's even a little cold down here today.  Pretty nippy at the end of my bike ride.
16:29:54 <PoppaVic> well, prep the cold, wash the hands - rinse and repeat ;-)
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16:35:40 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  Dutchoven has seranno's, jalepeno's, green onions, garlic, two onions, cilantro, red-chili flakes; pinto's & kidneys; 2# browned ground chuck.. I wish I had some Tequila now - the Secret Ingredient to super chili ;-)
16:35:55 <krainbolt> How big is the Forth community?
16:36:09 <KipIngram> Not as big as it should be.
16:36:23 <krainbolt> Heh!
16:36:30 <PoppaVic> no green onions, sheesh - TWO onions. and Tomatillo's ;-)
16:36:33 <KipIngram> Given that Forth is the coolest programming langage in the world.
16:36:43 <KipIngram> Holy cow, I hope ASau didn't hear me say that.
16:36:46 <schme> well it's pretty cool for a lot of things anyway :)
16:36:47 <krainbolt> I was thinking about writing a LY-type website for Ruby.
16:36:58 <KipIngram> He'll beat me over the head with a Lisp manual.
16:36:59 <krainbolt> Er
16:37:01 <schme> I can think of a whole bunch of things I'd prefer something else for ;)
16:37:03 <krainbolt> Crap, -ruby +forth
16:37:08 <PoppaVic> krainbolt:  check c.l.f and tagyenta for "size"
16:37:10 <schme> lisp issa lovely
16:37:19 <PoppaVic> forth is just damned nice 
16:37:33 <schme> it sure has charm
16:37:37 <krainbolt> But yeah, I figured I should find out how big the community is before I look into it.
16:37:37 <KipIngram> Exactly.
16:37:46 <krainbolt> PoppaVic: Thanks.
16:37:47 <schme> there's a community?
16:37:51 <KipIngram> I was joking.  I honestly don't know.
16:37:57 <PoppaVic> schme:  well, there are a ton of variants on the themes.
16:38:02 <KipIngram> Well, I wasn't joking.  It isn't as big as it should be.
16:38:02 <schme> hehehe
16:38:21 <schme> krainbolt: there actually seems to be quite the forth popularity down in germany.
16:38:36 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  I frankly suspect it's used far more than suspected, just in places people don't mention.
16:39:07 <krainbolt> Interesting, I'll have to mark it down for the future then.
16:39:09 <schme> krainbolt: but if you're looking for a big vibrant community spitting out new fancy libraries and frameworks for this and that every week... not so much luck there.
16:39:09 <KipIngram> I noticed that the PFE website said that Tektronics uses PFE.  Are their scopes and stuff programmed in Forth?
16:39:34 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  unknown.. Perhaps in testing and development?
16:40:02 <KipIngram> That seems like a *perfect* place for Forth.  If they do, I hope they expose it so it's user-accessible.
16:40:04 <krainbolt> schme: No no, I was thinking about writing a series of guides for different languages, and was looking at Forth.
16:40:20 <schme> krainbolt: Sounds like fun.
16:40:25 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  users are notoriously stupid. I'd doubt it.
16:40:39 <schme> krainbolt: forth might be a bit.. odd if one comes from the 'modern' GC'd languages and what not :)
16:40:41 <KipIngram> I've never been one to protect people from themselves...
16:40:46 <krainbolt> schme: This is the one I'm working on now: learnyouanrubyforawesomepower.info 
16:40:52 <schme> right
16:40:55 <PoppaVic> Only thing dumber than a user is a salesman.. maybe a programmer ;-)
16:40:58 <schme> I have no webbrowser available at the moment
16:41:08 <krainbolt> schme: Well, I'm a native python/rubyist, so.
16:41:21 <schme> krainbolt: yeees.. forth is a big change from python/ruby :)
16:41:30 <krainbolt> Well I love a learning challenge :D
16:41:50 <PoppaVic> Luckily, I don't give a damn about Challenges.
16:42:19 <schme> krainbolt: maybe implement a forth in one of those there lesser languages you enjoy (:
16:42:37 <PoppaVic> schme:  why?
16:42:42 <schme> PoppaVic: why not?
16:42:49 <KipIngram> PoppaVic: because it's fun.
16:42:57 <PoppaVic> umm.. Ok.
16:43:24 <schme> krainbolt: what I like about forth is that it saves me from having to use C.
16:43:27 <schme> (:
16:43:47 <KipIngram> Besides, if he's going to write a guide he needs to understand how Forth works on the inside.
16:43:49 * PoppaVic refrains from laughing
16:43:52 <KipIngram> And it's not hard to learn.
16:44:01 <PoppaVic> KipIngram:  write a guide?
16:44:28 <KipIngram> You missed that part, I guess.  krainbolt is writing a series of language guides.
16:44:45 <PoppaVic> ah.. yes, Forth and C never had a Guide ;-)
16:44:58 <KipIngram> Ok, dinner time for me.  Yummy.  Then robot assembly I guess, so I'm probably down for the count tonight.  Later on, guys.
16:45:09 <schme> KipIngram: have a good one
16:46:11 <krainbolt> schme: God yeah, I can't do C. Like oil on water.
16:46:26 <schme> krainbolt: hmm.. I see.
16:46:33 <PoppaVic> That's too bad
16:46:42 <krainbolt> It is, I hear C is really really really fast.
16:46:46 <schme> krainbolt: I find C very clean and simple. I just don't enjoy it.
16:46:47 <schme> huh.
16:46:48 * PoppaVic facepalms...
16:46:55 <schme> it's about as fast as you make it
16:47:53 <schme> I find that enjoyable how people think it is the actual language that is speedy.
16:48:11 <schme> AND FOR EXTRA SPEED YOU CAN INLINE ASSEMBLY
16:48:25 <krainbolt> schme: Well, when talking about optimality.
16:49:21 <schme> krainbolt: most sane compilers for compiled language will compile you some good code.
16:49:35 <schme> (gcc does not qualify there)
16:49:36 <schme> ehehe
16:50:03 <schme> krainbolt: I'm a bit puzzled by how you can work with complex languages like ruby and python, but you can't do C.. which is dead simple :)
16:50:43 <krainbolt> schme: Ruby has me whipped for syntax simplicity, really. This is also why I can't stand GO. It's a mess in there :/
16:50:53 <schme> never heard of GO
16:51:08 <krainbolt> GO is Google's new FOSS language.
16:51:10 <schme> ok
16:51:19 <schme> I mostly stay in the general area of lisp, forth and asm.
16:51:21 <krainbolt> It's C + C++ + Java.
16:51:30 <schme> but F# seems pleasent enough.
16:51:49 <schme> I'm not even sure how C + C++ + Java makes any sense.
16:52:06 <krainbolt> In that it pulls from each of those languages.
16:52:11 <schme> uh
16:52:22 <schme> So it pulls from C++ + Java then?
16:52:42 <schme> seeing how there is nothing in C that isn't in C++ I mean.
16:52:48 <krainbolt> Sure? All I've seen is a couple of spec/faq pages.
16:52:55 <schme> ok
16:53:02 <schme> well that's great.
16:53:19 <krainbolt> What I have seen is that they tend to take the New Jersey approach to a lot of things.
16:53:25 <schme> I'm so happy I'm not in that industry. I'd have to keep up with shi.
16:53:48 <schme> ok
16:54:03 <schme> what is it good for?
16:54:11 <krainbolt> Supposedly the web?
16:54:24 <schme> oh ok
16:54:44 <krainbolt> They also released the first info on their new web protocol called SPDY (SPeeDY), I think they're supposed to go hand in hand.
16:54:50 <schme> I have never quite understood how anyone can find webapplication programming anywhere near entertaining :)
16:55:04 <schme> buuut.. a matter of taste I guess.
16:55:29 <krainbolt> Hey, lemmie tell you, developing GUI apps to deal with 4 different browsers is a lot easier than dealing with 6+ different OSes.
16:55:38 <schme> Obviously.
16:56:10 <schme> well maybe not with the good amount of virtual machines around to do it all for ya.
16:56:11 <krainbolt> But, that said HTML is absolutely not made for GUI development.
16:56:16 <schme> when it comes to portability.
16:56:17 <schme> buuut
16:56:24 <schme> GUI development is real boring to :)
16:56:31 <krainbolt> Heh.
16:56:47 <krainbolt> Technically I'm a TUI developer :3
16:56:55 <schme> what's that?
16:56:59 <PoppaVic> in what?
16:57:08 <krainbolt> Text User Interface!
16:57:12 <schme> aha
16:57:24 <PoppaVic> schme:  Text user Interface. Which has as many facets as GUI
16:57:33 <krainbolt> PoppaVic: Ruby, and one or two other languages I'll never admit to using.
16:57:41 <PoppaVic> amusing
16:57:46 <schme> I'm actually considering hiring a webprogrammer for some things.
16:57:58 <PoppaVic> Code Monkey? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA
16:58:10 <schme> well that would work if I had a webbrowser and flash
16:58:34 <PoppaVic> above made me smile, just as a cook - as a cook and programmer, I just sat and grinned ;-)
16:58:47 <krainbolt> Hehe.
16:58:59 <schme> krainbolt: I like the more low level type of things.
16:59:04 <schme> and mah soldering iron
16:59:10 <schme> and writing some games I guess.
16:59:16 <schme> opengl confuses me
16:59:22 <krainbolt> schme: I wish I could get into llp, honest to god, but every time I do I just get bogged down.
16:59:24 <schme> I wish I had time to look into it all.
16:59:30 <schme> (:
16:59:50 <schme> get you some avr programmer and some chips
17:00:17 <krainbolt> But I mean, it's not like I'd have any use for it.
17:00:40 <schme> use.. I dunno.
17:01:02 <schme> I have use for it. I build some gadget every now and then and I need to program them to work as I want.
17:01:13 <schme> and the occassional game hackery is just a hobby
17:01:23 <schme> but.. dunno if any of it is useful.
17:01:37 <schme> computers are pretty useless all in all ;)
17:01:48 <schme> I'm actually making a bit of a GUI program too.
17:01:51 <schme> for drawing graphs and shit
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17:12:08 <krainbolt> Oo, really?
17:15:42 <schme> yes yes
17:15:58 <schme> I have been trying to use oocalc, but it is not quite suited for what I am doing.
17:16:06 <schme> so best is to develope something meself.
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20:15:59 <elspru> can someone please explain or link to how forth can have a word that is both a variable and a function
20:16:22 <elspru> since i'm assuming they share the same address
20:17:01 <PoppaVic> are they?
20:17:10 <elspru> well it's one word
20:17:33 <elspru> and how does it know not to run the code at the word address
20:17:47 <elspru> is it a lookahead feature?
20:18:02 <PoppaVic> can be, doubtful.
20:18:07 <elspru> agreed
20:18:12 <elspru> crc: you probably know
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22:33:46 <KipIngram> elspru: There are other words in Forth that fetch the PFA or CFA.  If you apply one of these to a colan defined word you get an address on the stack, whereas if you execute that word on its own you execute its code.  Does that seem like what you're talking about?
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22:43:30 <PoppaVic> deferred words, doers, imps that share the names, wordlists, vocs.
22:44:23 <KipIngram> The address that these words leave on the stack isn't a "free" address that you can store values at with impunity.  Rather, it's the address that the system has stored critical information regarding the definition of the word at.
22:44:58 <KipIngram> As PoppaVic just pointed out, various other words use these addresses to alter the behavior of words, implement "defining words," and so on.'
22:45:32 <KipIngram> This is one of the ways Forth "lets you at" the heart of the system.
22:46:09 <PoppaVic> forth[s] - even allowing for ANS, there are tons of variants.
22:46:18 <KipIngram> Yes.
22:46:49 <KipIngram> I was about to say that precisely what's stored at this location varies from system to system, and because of this some of the people who love "standards" don't like these words.
22:47:12 <PoppaVic> of the imp varies for assorted reasons
22:47:17 <KipIngram> But to me this access to the heart and soul of the system, so that you can bend it to your will, is part of the beauty of Forth.  Forth[s].
22:47:17 <PoppaVic> of/or
22:47:31 <PoppaVic> TIL's - yeah.
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22:56:35 <KipIngram> Hey ASau.  How goes?
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23:47:37 <KipIngram> Goodnight guys.
23:47:48 <PoppaVic> bye
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