00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.11.15 00:19:47 --- nick: luptenschteiner -> probonono 00:45:46 --- join: pgas (n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/pgas) joined #forth 02:34:40 --- join: Judofyr (n=Judofyr@cC694BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined #forth 02:42:58 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 02:54:41 --- part: TR2N left #forth 03:07:31 --- join: DrunkTomato (n=DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru) joined #forth 03:40:25 --- join: dinya (i=Denis@94.180.52.199) joined #forth 04:17:32 --- quit: Judofyr (Remote closed the connection) 04:22:45 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 04:24:31 --- quit: pgas (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:31:07 --- join: Judofyr (n=Judofyr@cC694BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined #forth 04:33:57 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 04:44:58 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 06:22:26 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 06:25:23 --- join: impomatic (n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) joined #forth 06:25:26 Hi :-) 06:26:26 Evening. 06:49:45 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 07:13:14 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@218.13.44.67) joined #forth 07:26:43 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:58:38 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@adsl-99-35-30-22.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 08:16:09 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 08:19:42 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 08:34:11 --- join: zbrown (n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown) joined #forth 08:34:36 Has anyone else had trouble getting gforth to compile on Snow Leopard 10.6.2? 08:39:48 zbrown: it is easier to understand what happens when you provide build log. 08:40:25 OSX has "traditional problems" with these things: 08:40:30 1. libtool isn't glibtool. 08:40:43 2. stripped libraries don't work. 08:43:12 zbrown: Xcode installed? The last Gforth said it wanted the prior gforth installed for the build. 08:43:50 also, had issues with making me set the stack and heap sizes in the old forth for the build of the newer. 08:48:32 That's wrong. 08:49:09 No, that's "weird" 08:49:10 You need previous gforth to bootstrap from CVS. 08:49:19 Released version doesn't need it. 09:00:47 ASau: I'll provide a build log in a second 09:01:26 No haste. 09:04:54 the most glaring thing I see is it complains about not having gforth in the path 09:05:10 here's the last 80 lines of the build: http://pastebin.com/m6c21d907 09:06:14 Looks like another (newer one) 64-bit problem. 09:06:17 and the configure log: http://pastebin.com/m5c497ea6 09:06:46 I tried forcing 32bit (64bit was a suspicion) by using "-arch i386" but to no avail 09:07:08 That's not "configure log", configure log is in config.log file. 09:07:14 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 09:07:22 well yes, I just meant the other config output 09:07:27 Try to create wrapper. 09:08:03 create wrapper? 09:08:04 echo "exec $(which cc) -m32" > cc; chmod +x cc; export PATH=.:${PATH} 09:08:26 See line above. 09:08:35 Do something like this. 09:09:27 I don't have OSX nearby. 09:09:46 ASau: hmmm no dice on that one 09:10:09 ?? 09:10:32 the wrapper 09:10:39 didn't work, still the same errors 09:10:54 Show full build log. 09:11:01 And config.log 09:17:00 ASau: http://pastebin.com/m19b60741 <-- config.log 09:17:29 aashttp://pastebin.com/m22ff414c <-- build log 09:23:00 http://pastebin.com/m22ff414c 09:23:10 What does file(1) tells about engine-itc-noll.o? 09:24:01 12:23:36 zbrown@riemann: ~/opt/src/gforth-0.7.0 > file engine/engine-itc-noll.o 09:24:02 engine/engine-itc-noll.o: Mach-O object i386 09:24:16 Hm. 09:25:59 Can you find appropriate place in respective makefile and 09:25:59 change it so that instead of 09:26:07 45. gcc engine-itc-noll.o main-itc-noll.o io.o signals.o support-noll.o pow10.o dblsub.o -lffi -lltdl -lm -o 09:26:07 gforth-itc-noll 09:26:10 It called 09:26:19 gcc -m i386 ... 09:26:39 "-arch i386 -m32", you know. 09:29:24 hmmm 09:29:55 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 09:30:02 Also check that files are generated properly. 09:30:21 It may easily be that it slipped from my eyes. 09:30:34 XCFLAGS = -arch i386 -m32 -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr -no-cpp-precomp <--- that appears to be the CFLAGS line 09:31:13 Are "-arch i386 -m32" only CFLAGS or LDFLAGS as well? 09:31:41 IMO, they may affect linking easily. 09:31:53 E.g. by choosing another default linking path. 09:32:01 only cflags 09:32:03 hmm 09:32:21 Did you check or is it your speculation? 09:32:44 no I checked 09:32:53 * zbrown would not speculate when its right there in the file :) 09:33:11 that did the trick ASau 09:33:17 it was building 32 and trying to link 64 I think 09:33:26 yup, it worked 09:34:04 just ran the gforth binary 09:34:16 Paste what you changed, please. 09:34:41 LDFLAGS="-arch i386 -m32" CFLAGS="-arch i386 -m32" ./configure 09:34:43 thats all I did 09:34:53 and obviously make distclean first 09:35:56 Ah, that's alright. 09:36:16 Hm. 09:36:20 Nice. 09:40:12 Alright, I think this makes enough good deeds for the upcoming week. :) 09:40:19 Now it's time to post anything evil. 09:43:47 hah 09:49:14 --- quit: GeDaMo (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:17 --- quit: ASau (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:17 --- quit: Quartus (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:20 --- quit: malyn (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:20 --- quit: yiyus (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:24 --- quit: probonono (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:24 --- quit: KipIngram (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:28 --- quit: nighty___ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:28 --- quit: xjrn (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:28 --- quit: Judofyr (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:28 --- quit: DrunkTomato (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:49:28 --- quit: saper 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Whats the proper resolution for that? 10:03:40 i'm interesting in forth :) 10:04:01 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 10:04:01 --- join: kleinjt (n=kleinjt@tarsonis.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu) joined #forth 10:04:08 ASau, does channel is closed? %) 10:04:40 dinya: it's quite strange to see person who strongly prefers Python interested in Forth. 10:05:15 :) 10:05:43 You ain't gonna need it. 10:06:06 i read broudy a bit, no more :) 10:06:21 Broudy is obsolete. 10:07:19 All those microcomputers Broudy talks about are gone. 10:07:45 You cell phone runs much more powerful CPU. 10:08:06 ASau, i know. i play with forth, not moew 10:08:09 *more 10:08:26 Just in case you didn't notice 10:08:28 and i don't know about any book 10:08:34 cd /usr/pkgsrc/lang && cvs up -dP pfe 10:10:55 ASau, if you tell about "forth for newbie", i'm try find them :) 10:11:07 Ha-ha. 10:11:14 Forth is not for newbies. 10:11:54 Or you need to find some crazy teacher-experimentalist. 10:13:04 I strongly suspect that our generation was the last that understands what microcomputer is. 10:14:14 --- quit: impomatic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:14:28 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 10:15:15 * zbrown was born too late to get to play with a MicroComputer :( 10:16:17 We managed to meet the last wave. 10:16:29 ASau, are you so old? %) 10:17:27 That depends on your meaning of words. 10:17:44 " I strongly suspect that our generation was the last that understands what microcomputer is." 10:17:46 generation 10:18:11 microcomputers i think "born" in 60-70s 10:18:12 :) 10:18:38 1977-82 is more correct timing. 10:19:11 Well... 74-82. 10:23:49 Don't worry, after the fall of civilization we'll be back to using simple processors again :P 10:24:17 Do you mean abaqus? 10:25:26 Can you program an abacus in Forth? :P 10:53:05 yes. 11:28:32 --- quit: dinya (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:28:53 --- quit: xjrn (Connection timed out) 13:26:32 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 13:29:59 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:40:37 --- nick: Snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy_1611 13:49:32 Afternoon everyone. 13:49:50 lo 14:08:59 --- join: Snoopy_1711 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-205-200.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:14:29 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 14:17:28 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14:17:37 --- join: Dialupas (n=Rodo1@v-209-98-172-195.ip.visi.com) joined #forth 14:19:41 --- quit: Dialupas (Remote closed the connection) 14:25:37 --- nick: Snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy_1611 14:57:03 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 14:59:01 I'm building pfe for my system now - so far so good. It's been talked about enough here that I decided I should check it out. 14:59:47 bleh 15:00:48 pfe was interesting, once.. When it refused to build last time, I didn't bother awhile.. I think it's on the drive, but I use gforth for tinkering. 15:03:26 I have gforth too, but right now just the one Ubuntu offered up to me. I haven't hooked into the source. 15:03:50 I installed bigForth the other day for a while, but pretty quickly got rid of it. 15:04:56 ./configure finished with no issue. I run Ubuntu Jaunty, by the way, on an Asus Eee PC 1101. 15:07:14 well, for all but gcc itself and most of the major toolchain stuff, I stick to source. 15:07:45 I notice that the pfe documentation describes several threading models. Do you have to pick one at compile time, and if so which one to I get with the default ./configure / make / make install sequence? 15:08:45 I plan to move in that direction too. Next time I rework my desktop I'm going to install a "leanest possible" server layer with virtualizaiton and then make my main install a virtual machine running on that. 15:09:03 well, I never thread. So, whatever makes you happy. 15:09:08 So I can play with multiple systems without having to turn anything off. 15:09:30 No, I mean how compiled words get stored. 15:09:47 Indirect threading, subroutine threading, etc. 15:09:50 OH 15:10:26 I just let it default to the usual itc - call-threaded strikes me as asm 15:11:19 I agree - I like the traditional approach. Plus my main interest in Forth these days is in Forth hardware, so indirect threading becomes native code... 15:12:01 well, pcode/bytecode for me, yeah.. Otherwise, the Gods created C ;-) 15:12:04 The inner interpreter is built in logic. 15:13:26 C certainly puts all of the other "mainstream" languages to shame in my opinion. I learned every major new language that came along (Fortran, Pascal, etc.) Then I learned C and never bothered to learn another one. 15:14:07 I opened a Java book once, but in all important ways it seemed to look like C, and the new stuff didn't seem worth it. 15:14:17 OOP is very overrated in my opinion. 15:14:55 well, my C is OO - but I hate being forced 15:16:14 Me too; that's a huge part of my character in every arena - I hate having anyone tell me what to do. 15:17:13 well, guidelines, limits, I respect that.. I just smile a lot and move along ;-) 15:18:37 --- join: malyn_ (n=malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 15:21:27 I don't mind limits that make sense. We do have to share the planet, after all. But arbitrary limits that seem to serve no purpose other than to provide opportunities for one group of people to control another group tick me off. 15:22:44 arbitrary limits also force a protocol. So, those too. 15:24:37 Basically I'm a "take responsibility for your own actions, don't try to push other people around, and otherwise expect to control your own life." 15:24:42 kind of guy 15:25:26 I like crisp and clean. I've been a cook too long to like mess and clutter. 15:26:00 pfe: error while loading shared libraries: libpfe-0-forth.so.33: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 15:26:10 hehe 15:26:12 No errors during build, but it won't run. 15:26:14 Strike one. 15:26:21 That never impresses me. 15:26:21 Ain't that fun? ;-) 15:27:04 So much for the documentation bragging about autoconf/automake and its magic. 15:27:23 autoshit is something to suffer, not deploy. 15:28:14 Well, that's probably it for my pfe experiment. Not that I've compiled gforth from source either yet. 15:28:32 --- quit: malyn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:28:36 Anyone going to watch "The Prisoner" on AMC tonight? 15:28:39 gforth used to build w/o gforth - dunno' if it does at the moment. 15:28:39 --- nick: malyn_ -> malyn 15:28:57 All I got is my lappy and hulu for TV ;-) 15:29:48 I watched the one they did in the 60's, with Patrick McGoohan. This new one looks like it could be pretty good. 15:30:11 remakes - blech 15:30:36 Well, we'll have to see. I agree generally. 15:30:53 I never puzzled out the originals.. Granted, I caught them as reruns in the 60's ;-) 15:30:59 Love the tagline they're using. "You only think you're free..." 15:31:08 Sometimes I worry it's becoming all too true. 15:31:40 Ok, now I have to figure out everywhere pfe stuck stuff on my disk and purge it. 15:33:22 --- quit: Judofyr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:33:30 make uninstall 15:37:28 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:41:15 I do that, but I also like to make sure that I can "sudo updatedb ; locate pfe" and get nothing. 15:41:51 ain't dat fun? 15:42:48 KipIngram: also sometimes helps to keep shit over in /usr/local or similar. 15:47:52 It put a bunch of stuff there. I cleaned it all out. 15:48:57 I think I'll just work on getting the gforth source to fly and leave it at that. I don't know that I really want to do anything with the source, but I do want to know that I'm pretty close to the bleeding edge. 15:49:21 Sometimes Ubuntu gives you things with the installation but doesn't keep them updated. 15:50:29 the updatedb stuff blows, even on osX I have to run such myself. 15:52:00 KipIngram: the gforth source is.. well, fairly depressing. The usual "exploit the compiler features" stuff. 15:55:57 osX is Debian for the most part, right? 15:56:35 With the Apple gui slapped on top? 15:57:03 no 15:57:15 osx is a bsd/mach-o spinoff 15:57:29 I see. 15:58:14 it's fairly comfy - the code I was writing tended to fly anywhere 16:00:40 What sort of code? If it does anything with the gui then it uses Mac specific things, right? Or is osX a more direct port than I may have thought? 16:01:20 well, I never code for GUI-fu.. But, osX has an X11 "driver", too 16:01:53 it'll build and run xchat and whatnot, under X11 16:04:36 Interesting. I prefer a 100% open source system, though I do install and use some proprietary hardware drivers. For the display, networking, etc. 16:05:27 well, I've liked this powerbook G4 from day zero. No screw-around video, audio, etc, etc - powerup and run 16:06:00 I lost interest in bleeding edge years before I lost all my hdd of code. 16:06:39 KipIngram: Technically, the most Free would be freebsd/openbsd/netbsd 16:07:28 Well, the problem is that I'm a fan of the netbook format. And I occasionally have to replace my netbook; they do get worn out, lost, or whatever. When I do the options are generally all fairly new. 16:07:40 ouch 16:07:48 And I'm insanely driven by battery life, so that allways dictates my selection. 16:08:12 So I buy for battery life and then fight through whatever hardware support issues I have to to get it up and running. 16:08:26 well, if and when I "replace" this 12" - I'll likely target Pc-BSD or freeBSD. 16:08:35 This one gets 11 hours with networking off. 16:08:45 About 9 hours with it on. 16:08:50 I lost interest in linux when debian nuked the drives for "update" 16:09:32 That's getting pretty nice - much more improvement and I may cease to bebattery life focused. There's probably a pointwhere it's "enough" for me. 16:11:31 I wish Asus would come out with a unit like this one thgat had a built-in broadband modem. 16:11:48 So I didn't have a USB dongle hanging off of it all the time. 16:14:49 --- quit: DrunkTomato () 16:14:56 well, w/o something like a pcmcia/card yer in trouble 16:24:09 Yes,I know. But I'd rather put up with the dongle than give up battery life. So unless someone comes out with a box that has a PCMCIA slot *and* top drawer battery life, I'll have to make a choice. 16:24:20 And right now battery life wins. 16:24:23 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 16:26:04 battery lets me ride power outages.. jot notes on the road.. Power adapters ;-) 16:27:38 I want a unit I can unplug in the morning when I get up and know that I can do absolutely anything with until I get home without needing to plug in. 16:28:48 Current state of the art is closer than a factor of two to that goal, so I'm happy with the progress over the last few years. 16:29:59 I'd say "good luck" ;-) 16:31:34 Because you don't think it's possible, or because you don't think the vendors will make that a priority? 16:31:53 both 16:32:24 I don't know, the battery in this box isn't all that big. Getting one twice as big in shouldn't be impossible. 16:32:29 As far as batteries, well - I've a calculator still running 20 years later - and a watch that's run 4 years beyond it's 2 year life ;-) 16:32:40 But will they? You're right - I don't know if they will. 16:33:01 Once most of the market is happy, they're done. 16:33:09 You simply need a built-in handcrank gennie ;-) 16:33:54 That's it - the "wind up computer". 16:34:58 well, there is a linux. cranked lappy.. Never seen one in the flesdh 16:36:25 I want this for the future, really. I don't know if I'll be able to "retire"; I envision consulting way into my golden years. I'd like to be able to do the work anywhere -Starbucks, the park, the beach, whatever pleases me. 16:36:50 That's the one they designed for the third world nations? 16:37:03 yah 16:40:05 Do you actually crank the computer, or charge it with a hand-cranked external unit? I wouldn't build something with those moving parts and weight into the computer itself. 16:40:58 it charges up, and then discharge, etc 16:41:03 it does have a batt. 16:41:21 there is a website with some specs on it.. 16:42:37 Last I heard, they had some sorta' deal where you could pay for "one" - and that price also covered 2 that would be free-distributed in the 3rd-world. 16:56:40 I'd rather have mine charge while I'm asleep. :-) 16:56:57 same same - jack it in 16:57:22 thre point was also, (unreal), it could provide light to read by. 16:57:26 their 16:59:29 Not for me, I think. :-) 17:08:52 One thing that computer makers do that annoys me thoroughly is that every new model seems to use a different voltage and a different connector for charging. You'd think that each manufacturer could at least standardize their own product line. 17:09:25 since it's std parts ;-) 17:13:19 I really don't understand the motivationto redesign any of that. If I made netbooks I'd get a nice solid design for my charging circuitry and then I'd never touch it. Apply my resources to improvements that counted. 17:14:44 Got me.. It's uneconomical. 17:16:23 Maybe they're scared to fire their power supply guys (might need 'em) and they need something to do. 17:16:44 Something like thatis probably close to the truth. 17:17:10 once you got a module, I can't imagine changing it unless supllies vastly change, or tech did. 17:17:31 and the User Interfaces are the least to change. 17:17:38 plugs are a UI 17:18:05 YES! 17:18:42 Good way of saying it. 17:19:35 well, it's true. It's why I'll never be employed for this cruft. 17:25:41 The problem is that even if you have the ability to design your own you can't achieve any volume, so it will always cost you many times the price of the latest iteration on the commercial offerings. 17:26:20 I got this Asus unit for just a bit over $400. Hard to beat for what it is. 17:26:21 doesn't matter - I don't care much anymore 17:26:37 Yeah, I know; we covered that. :-) 17:26:54 I figure I've got a decade or two before I get to that point. 17:27:09 That's just a guess, though. 17:27:20 well, it won't happen as long as folks act like lemmings and sheep 17:28:03 What won't happen? 17:28:20 a mach like we discussed 17:29:55 everyone leaps and dances to get the Latest And Greatest - and the manfac love that. so, it's a closed-loop 17:30:18 True. I'm probably going to wail away at it anyway, just because I still do care. Only time will tell how far I get, though. 17:32:16 As long as the latest and greatest offers something new that you need, though, that makes sense. Like battery life for me.Others want to watch HD moviesw on their notebook, or play games. That's not my goal, but it is for many, and it's good that the market is trying to meet all of these needs. 17:33:07 That part I get. I just don't get why they use a different power supply plug each time. 17:33:27 It's more than that, but I follow. 17:34:11 --- quit: PoppaVic (Client Quit) 17:34:33 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@adsl-99-35-30-22.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 17:43:10 You know, these conversations do give me good ideas as to what I think I'll design. 17:44:39 good - that's a bonus to irc ;-) 17:44:55 Right now I'm thinking about having an array of these FPGA processors that could be used for nothing (turn 'em off and get long battery life), compute intensive stuff, or graphics intensive stuff like movies. Completely reconfigurable via application software. 17:45:11 bubmem ;-) 17:45:49 Pardon? Bubble memory? 17:49:06 --- join: yurgen (n=yurgen@160-227-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined #forth 17:50:26 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:51:37 --- quit: yurgen (Connection reset by peer) 17:53:09 KipIngram: sure 17:53:21 sorry, sis came in, she and nephew out 17:53:55 It's been years since I've heard bubble memory mentioned. 17:54:15 fpga and bubmem are "known to be slow" - I'd ponder costs. 17:55:28 I wanna' 2-400core Z80 - each can have their own bank, too ;-) 17:56:12 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:56:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:56:21 lo, crc 17:57:00 hi PoppaVic 17:57:08 Yes, but the fpga-based forth processor - that's where the fun is for me. 17:57:43 Otherwise I can just keep buying $400 netbooks as they're offered. 17:57:52 * crc would like to implement ngaro on an fpga some day 17:58:00 KipIngram: either way, yer doing the same. 17:58:22 What's ngaro? 17:59:08 a forth variant, iirc 17:59:34 which is like saying a C-variant.. a stack-machine, perhaps. 17:59:39 ngaro = virtual machine for retro 18:00:01 it's an emulator for a misc-style processor and a few hardware devices 18:00:37 url? 18:00:51 http://github.com/crcx/ngaro 18:00:56 gotcha, thanks 18:02:07 weird site ;-) 18:02:25 that's the github repo; ngaro doesn't have an actual site dedicated to it 18:03:17 understood.. github qand the others are weird.. popup thingies telling me about downloading-thingies - that already slammed down the dsl ;-) 18:03:49 http://github.com/crcx/ngaro/tarball/master 18:03:56 that should work if you want to download it 18:04:36 112K - yeah.. It did trigger the first time, then whirled around saying it was still downloading - on the other ;-) 18:07:10 I'm not in agood position to try it right now. What makes it different / special? 18:11:51 --- join: yurge1 (n=yurgen@32-254-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined #forth 18:13:25 Is it indirect threaded in the usual way? 18:14:59 Not sure, I've not looked at crc's stuff in awhile.. Except to peek at retro 18:15:57 The only real decision I've made onthis FPGA engine that I'm working on is that it will be indirect threaded. I've been really sweating the logic structure to get that part working at the best possible speed. 18:17:26 I don't do "optimal" and "efficiency" anymore. 18:18:00 I do. 18:18:06 the vm is not threaded 18:18:06 Half the fun. 18:18:13 retro uses subroutine threading 18:18:20 though I could change that if the need arises 18:18:57 KipIngram: my main goal was to have a clean, reasonably portable target 18:18:58 So a compiled word is a string of calls? 18:19:19 :) 18:19:20 calls, and other instructions 18:19:38 --- part: yurge1 left #forth 18:19:40 I have implementations in C, JavaScript, C#, and Java 18:27:04 That's cool. Javascript? Can that run in a browser somehow? 18:28:09 yes 18:28:28 http://retroforth.org/demos has a few things using it 18:28:47 Do you have that set up online somewhere? 18:28:53 use firefox, safari, or chrome for best results 18:29:02 Oh; thanks. 18:29:11 I'm trying it now. 18:31:28 Hmmm. The interpreter gave me an ok prompt but doesn't seem to see anything I type. 18:31:48 what browser? 18:32:04 Firefox. 18:32:27 3.0.15. 18:33:10 I've not tested it on that version 18:33:43 Ok. I'll try the C version when I get home. 18:36:28 it works on 3.5 18:37:43 Ok. I wonder when Ubuntu will get around to upgrading Jaunty. 18:39:38 --- join: TR2N (i=email@89-180-185-102.net.novis.pt) joined #forth 18:46:18 there are current binaries at http://retro.tunes.org 18:52:01 I'm about to get busy with some family activities. May be on a it later. This has been fun again; thanks. 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We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 23:58:23 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 23:58:23 --- names: list (clog_ TR2N aguaithegeek kar8nga ygrek segher ASau gogonkt gnomon foxLaptop nottwo H4ns1 @crc PoppaVic nighty__ malyn Snoopy_1611 kleinjt zbrown Frek uiu uiu_ clog aguai schme probonono saper Al2O3 mathrick nighty^ flash__ madgarden maht madwork scj cataska KipIngram nighty___ yiyus) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.11.15