00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.11.13 00:46:22 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 01:09:10 --- quit: Al2O3 () 01:18:57 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 01:49:50 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:51:59 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 02:43:34 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 03:03:47 --- join: DrunkTomato (n=DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru) joined #forth 03:54:35 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 04:33:59 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 05:52:54 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@71.214.171.153) joined #forth 06:08:10 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.8.57) joined #forth 06:28:25 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57BBACD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 06:49:55 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 06:56:18 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 07:17:40 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@218.13.63.171) joined #forth 07:29:54 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:00:25 --- quit: ASau ("off") 08:13:19 --- quit: jas () 08:20:09 --- join: pgas (n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/pgas) joined #forth 08:44:05 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:45:17 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk) joined #forth 09:46:28 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 10:17:10 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 10:33:44 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 10:34:13 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 11:07:41 --- join: blablub (n=blablub@f048207076.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined #forth 11:07:44 hi 11:08:05 i want to create a register with quartus 11:09:05 --- join: Judofyr (n=Judofyr@cC694BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined #forth 11:09:07 but .. do i have to create the design file of the dlatch by myself? 11:16:59 --- quit: blablub ("http://irc2go.com/") 11:23:36 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 11:24:56 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 11:54:15 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:21:15 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pops@adsl-99-35-30-22.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 13:32:05 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:08:21 --- quit: DrunkTomato () 14:30:00 --- quit: pgas ("/quit") 14:58:35 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 15:13:42 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 15:28:32 --- log: started forth/09.11.13 15:28:32 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 15:28:33 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 15:28:33 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 15:28:33 --- names: list (clog PoppaVic Judofyr ASau xjrn mathrick gogonkt_ H4ns Quartus` Al2O3 tathi nighty^ foxLaptop kleinjt flash__ Snoopy_1711 madgarden TR2N maht aguaithegeek segher madwork Frek uiu uiu_ scj schme aguai cataska probonono KipIngram nighty___ saper malyn yiyus) 16:01:39 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:21:45 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:05:29 --- log: started forth/09.11.13 17:05:29 --- join: clog_ (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 17:05:29 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://www.isforth.com' 17:05:29 --- topic: set by I440r on [Fri Feb 13 08:39:24 2009] 17:05:29 --- names: list (clog_ gnomon clog PoppaVic Judofyr ASau mathrick gogonkt_ H4ns Quartus` Al2O3 tathi nighty^ foxLaptop kleinjt flash__ Snoopy_1711 madgarden TR2N maht aguaithegeek yiyus malyn probonono KipIngram nighty___ saper cataska aguai schme scj segher madwork uiu_ uiu Frek) 17:20:37 --- quit: clog (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:20:37 --- nick: clog_ -> clog 17:34:58 --- quit: Judofyr (Remote closed the connection) 17:37:28 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:49:58 tathi: did you ever post your compacted pcode-stuff? I've been trying to convey the concepts to others bordering on Too Long. 17:52:26 Huh? 17:52:59 that multi-code per byte thing. I noted KipIngram mentioning it or it's kin the other night. 17:53:34 I'm looking over the llvm bytecode format and tsk-tsking ;-) 17:54:02 Yeah, it's based on Chuck's work, as is what Kip was talking about. 17:54:35 ok, was there a link in particular? Other than watching http://www.hulu.com/watch/99587/the-pirates-of-penzance 17:54:40 Jason picked up my stuff, but I don't think either of us did much further with it...let's see... 17:54:44 http://jasonwoof.org/fovium 17:54:47 ..I'd love to see something ;-) 17:54:53 OK, thanks. 17:55:23 I knew there had to be something sensible around ;-) 17:56:20 I was just trying to tell dianora that the llvm really was working waaaay too hard to squeeze bits.. That job really is for lhz and gzip and such. 17:57:21 Huh. I haven't looked at LLVM at all, but I thought it was a native-code compiler, not bytecode. 17:58:52 tathi: http://llvm.org/releases/1.3/docs/BytecodeFormat.html 17:59:15 There IS a pcode target, but everyone wets themselves for nativecode 17:59:24 Ah. 18:00:13 yeah.. Our usual: I keep telling folks to STOP telling me optimal and native - /someone/ is still interpreting the shit. 18:01:31 Some of the terms today just make me boil.. those are two ;-) 18:02:03 I don't really care either way. :) 18:02:36 tathi: well, since shortly before Ma' died this year, yeah.. I've pretty much stopped coding at all. 18:03:00 I've just lost interest in it all. 18:03:25 :( 18:03:28 Not in education or learning, but.. Why bother getting dirty? 18:04:16 THe kids just want gui-fooey, or the latest fads - I still just ask them WHY? 18:04:31 Huh. That *is* an interesting bytecode format. 18:05:05 variable-length encodings used for everything, and all that. 18:05:17 tathi: yes, I was reading and nodding for awhile today.. But, I'm starting to hit the bit-folding and asking "ok, and..?" 18:05:34 yes. THAT was something I'd considered the last year or two 18:05:35 I wonder what the interpreter speed is like? 18:06:02 tathi: I dunno.. I'd think of interpreting right into something more "local" 18:06:53 Yeah, I'm just curious. 18:06:54 ..which, I suppose others would call "compiling" 18:07:25 tathi: I agree, but no one seems to know that *I* speak with.. THey seem to all think "compile native" 18:07:50 which is another reason penzance amuses tonight ;-) 18:08:09 Gilbert and Sullivan is always good :-) 18:08:29 I saw it in on stage in seattle and learned I LOVED it ;-) 18:09:04 I grew up with it: my one great-uncle was all into performing the stuff when he was in college 18:09:09 so, this is a poor imitation, but the "Modern Major General" sequence is certainly "programming", (Can you do that again? FASTER?) 18:09:19 Hehe 18:10:13 It amuses.. I've tried to expose a lot of folks to forthish ideas, and it often brain-burns them early ;-) 18:10:30 It's fun, how often the issues later arise ;-) 18:12:09 tathi: I get the same amusement, I must admit, from asking C basics.. ;-) 19:11:10 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:30:58 --- join: H4ns1 (n=Hans@p57BBAF4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 19:32:25 Wow - I go away for a little while and the place heats up... 19:35:46 PoppaVic: "gui-fooey"; that's a great expression. I'm filing that one away for future use. 19:38:03 KipIngram: ok,, or fooey/phooey - it depends on the author ;-) 19:40:43 CLIs are *so* much faster, but you have to actually learn them... 19:40:51 KipIngram: my point on GUI is: y'all do the same shit, for the same reasons - but the code always varies as much as the presentations. 19:41:12 CLI is CLI. They remain useful and basic. 19:41:41 the issue there is do what to which and how and why.. Same-same all these years. 19:43:35 KipIngram: be aware that all the GUI stuff is event-driven in the extreme. No one can agree on a language OR an "event" anyway 19:48:05 KipIngram: the oddball part is that everyone can point at GUI elements and say "that's GUI!" - It's weird. 19:49:01 I always liked CLIs better anyway, and then I got ahold of emacs and the "economy of motion" philosophy behind it. Wow. Groovy stuff. Warp speed. 19:49:31 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:49:55 everything is interpreted. It'd never work if it were not so. 19:53:29 KipIngram: here's a clue to recall forever: exec*() following fork() - so.. CLI makes sense - but the damned interpretations and expectations can drive you nuts. 19:54:45 ;-) There's food for thought there. 19:56:26 tracking it back to who-did-what, and then why-did-that-not-work just sucketh ;-) 19:58:46 KipIngram: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA - there is an AMV variant you might like ;-) 19:59:57 h, I watched that the other night when you first posted it. Absolutely loved it. 20:00:07 hehe 20:01:27 the AMV verion is interesting.. I was showing sis tonight.. Explaining that the tune is identical, the ears register it identical.. Yet, I prefer the ape, andn the anime (crap) EXPRESSES more to a neophyte. 20:02:18 I thought it had... character. 20:02:38 This suggests something about the species - in several ways ;-) - but I mean The Storyteller, and gestures/graphics 20:05:51 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20:10:33 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:12:07 I need to watch it a few more times and absorb all the nuances. 20:13:10 KipIngram: I doubt it.. I see it as a Cook, but also as an oldfart. 20:13:48 I need to at least actually hear all the lyrics. 20:14:03 yes. 20:14:10 Besides, I'm going on oldfart. 20:14:18 Too many decades in kitchens 20:14:38 Code was an "escape" until the last decade. 20:16:52 What is it now? 20:17:12 KipIngram: suffice to say that sis, a cook and not code-monkey, watched it and smiled - that's all I needed ;-) 20:17:46 KipIngram: code? I will help others as I can, I will cobble what I need; I've lost the joy in it.. 20:19:13 I still have some things that I burn to create. Just no time between work and family it seems. 20:19:29 I'd rather be a janitor. 20:19:46 I've entirely lost the interest and care 20:32:24 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20:38:52 PoppaVic: What do you do these days? 20:39:56 KipIngram: since burying Ma'? We cleaned and painted and all that.. I now seek some work and await my divorce as I play Caretaker here on the farm. 20:45:59 Where's the farm? And wht kind of work? 20:47:30 KipIngram: In michigan.. I'm usually a cook, making PCB is not common locally; and I ain't a degreed "programmer". I want to get the hell out, anymore.. I've had it with snow and people and family and michigan. 20:49:24 I was about to say - stuff actually grows up there? I'm in Texas. Houston. Hot and humid all the time it seems. 20:50:14 KipIngram: I never stayed in TX - just read.. I was stationed in AZ and - 50,000sqmi of kittylitter is NOT cool. 20:50:54 I talk with folks that live in tx all the time - gee, suprise! - they get militant on it's pluses ;-) 20:51:44 I guess it has some pluses. It's been pretty good to me. 20:51:57 sure. 20:52:17 Nothing wrng with MI that a 308 plague can't cure. 20:52:51 The land is fine.. THe people and jobs and such blow. 20:54:09 KipIngram: My goal is to get that divorce, get the homestead "eliminated" - and move back to WA, or OR, or CA - I can't take all the other shit and suffer snow/ice anymore. 20:56:23 I'm too old and pained for the cold/wet/snow issues.. I just don't care much anymore - just let me enjoys trees and water and earn a baseline to buy smokes and brews and chow. 22:02:46 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@astound-69-42-10-25.ca.astound.net) joined #forth 22:37:06 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 22:49:02 Goodnight guys. 22:49:14 laters 23:11:33 --- quit: PoppaVic (Client Quit) 23:22:57 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:40:47 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@83.86.178.99) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.11.13