00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.11.02 00:02:37 --- join: ASau (n=user@host65-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 00:08:18 --- join: grub_booter (n=charlie@d515301E0.static.telenet.be) joined #forth 00:20:41 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:53:34 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 01:27:51 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 01:47:24 --- join: ASau (n=user@host65-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 02:05:59 --- quit: DrunkTomato () 02:30:57 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 02:31:27 --- join: ASau (n=user@host65-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 03:18:05 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 03:27:30 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-106-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 03:38:23 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 03:39:19 --- quit: Snoopy_1711 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:04:53 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:24:18 --- quit: Al2O3 () 06:44:22 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 06:58:28 --- join: DrunkTomato (n=DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru) joined #forth 07:15:57 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@218.13.54.8) joined #forth 07:30:05 --- quit: DrunkTomato () 07:33:24 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:35:37 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 07:38:47 --- join: garfield (n=uwekloss@p5486637D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:02:35 --- join: madwork (n=madgarde@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 08:06:48 --- join: elspru (n=elspru@69-165-159-135.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 08:07:11 what is the smallest assembly forth that works on linux? 08:07:28 that you know of.. 08:07:45 I440r, any idea? 08:08:00 What's the need in "smallest" and "assembly"? 08:08:19 I want to write my own version of forth 08:08:34 for an operating system, so don't want to be tied down to C 08:08:58 smallest so I can understand it 08:09:13 i have a copy of jonesforth, but haven't yet managed to get it to compile 08:09:24 though I'm attempting a rewrite in nasm 08:09:58 You will be tied down to assember then. 08:10:06 I'm not sure how to rewrite some of his .int stuff 08:10:13 Which is written in the same C. 08:10:17 well there are forth metacompilers 08:10:37 Then you should start from metacompiler right away. 08:10:48 oh cool 08:11:00 can you point or link me in that direction? 08:11:20 I found eforth that had a metacompiler and was small, but it seems to be DOS based 08:11:36 Why do you care, if you're writing your OS? 08:12:19 ? 08:13:11 .. well it would be nice to have a working example and works on my computer 08:13:14 What is the point in writing: 08:13:17 a) your own forth; 08:13:25 b) in assembler? 08:14:43 a) I have a human speakable programming language I've been designing for years, and forth seems to be the closest to it 08:15:16 b) in whatever would allow for an integrated operting system that can use just one language 08:15:52 1. Get ready system. 08:16:09 2. Write the whole thing in C or even better, use ready embeddable OS. 08:16:44 initially, plan to have working on top of linux 08:17:00 progress to self-operating system after enough userbase 08:17:55 is there a link on forth meta compilers ? 08:18:07 there's little point in having your own operating system. 08:18:55 at the moment. agreed 08:19:20 and it would be an our 08:19:55 even a metacompiler has to be written in something 08:19:56 What are special requirements to your OS? 08:20:45 the programming language, in it's on top of linux form, should be able to translate into other languages like C or Java or C# or any of the other claiming to be different but clearly very similar languages 08:21:08 and vice versa 08:21:51 like a tower of babel language 08:22:02 Ever heard of Turing thesis? 08:22:15 heard of turing 08:22:20 which thesis? 08:22:38 Almost all programming languages are equivalent, but 08:22:38 translation may be (and is) hell inefficient in many cases. 08:22:46 I have to run. 08:22:49 --- quit: ASau ("bye") 08:23:00 kk 08:34:43 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@212.225.108.57) joined #forth 09:19:48 --- join: efefefef (i=53e35f0f@gateway/web/freenode/x-27aa60f5cee5a0eb) joined #forth 09:51:30 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 09:55:50 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 10:05:39 --- join: neceve (n=neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 10:14:39 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 10:21:07 --- join: segher (n=segher@84-105-60-153.cable.quicknet.nl) joined #forth 10:21:38 --- quit: segher (Remote closed the connection) 10:22:18 --- join: segher (n=segher@84-105-60-153.cable.quicknet.nl) joined #forth 10:57:31 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:24:14 --- join: ASau` (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 11:26:24 --- join: ASau`` (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 11:28:01 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:28:38 --- quit: ASau`` (Client Quit) 11:43:15 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 11:44:00 --- quit: ASau` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:44:52 --- join: ASau (n=user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 12:34:14 --- quit: efefefef ("Page closed") 12:41:17 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@dynamic-78-30-189-248.adsl.eunet.rs) joined #forth 12:45:39 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:19:44 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:23:10 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 13:25:41 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:25:41 --- nick: Al2O3_ -> Al2O3 13:37:23 --- quit: schme (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:37:55 --- join: schme (n=marcus@c83-249-82-26.bredband.comhem.se) joined #forth 13:37:55 ' 13:38:26 You didn't specify the word to tick :P 13:38:53 aeu 13:39:00 arhm 13:39:08 GeDaMo: That was funny :) 13:40:53 --- join: Snoopy_1711 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-210-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:45:14 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:51:57 --- nick: Snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy_1611 14:10:18 --- join: Snoopy_1711 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-210-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:10:18 --- quit: mathrick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:10:39 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 14:16:23 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk) joined #forth 14:19:36 --- join: qFox (n=C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 14:19:57 --- quit: qFox (Remote closed the connection) 14:21:33 --- join: Snoopy_1811 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-210-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:28:05 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:38:13 --- quit: Snoopy_1711 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:46:57 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (i=Snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-114-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:56:49 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 14:58:32 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 14:59:04 --- quit: Snoopy_1811 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:40:37 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 16:06:53 --- quit: garfield (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:19:37 --- join: garfield (n=uwekloss@p54867056.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:39:12 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:39:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:38:29 --- quit: neceve (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:34:21 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:51:56 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 21:14:56 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 21:49:40 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 21:59:28 --- join: jdpo (n=joe@66-169-176-49.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 21:59:58 --- quit: jdpo (Remote closed the connection) 22:00:55 --- join: jdpo (n=joe@66-169-176-49.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 22:02:43 --- quit: jdpo (Remote closed the connection) 22:10:42 --- join: KipIngram (n=kip@173-11-138-177-houston.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 22:27:48 --- quit: ASau ("off") 22:34:51 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@c-67-180-60-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:00:31 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 23:15:03 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x708D5A0C) joined #forth 23:17:22 hi 23:19:09 hi 23:19:36 did you call c lib from forth? 23:19:55 to do what? 23:22:27 --- join: DrunkTomato (n=DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru) joined #forth 23:23:33 I call IMdkit api from reva forth via ffi 23:24:30 but I dont know what eqeu long int in forth when read and write pass to api 23:24:54 --- quit: LOOP-HOG () 23:33:43 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:34:21 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:50:19 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:50:50 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-75-70-11-191.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.11.02