00:00:00 --- log: started forth/09.04.06 00:00:38 --- quit: xjrn (Remote closed the connection) 00:28:45 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 00:37:59 I'm planning on doing embedded systems, and Forth looks really nice. However, I need to learn ASM as well - which should I learn first? 00:38:13 ASM seems to me like the obvious choice, but I really don't know. 00:38:15 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:43:58 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@dyn-62-56-54-186.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 01:37:37 --- quit: GeDaMo ("Leaving.") 01:57:41 yeah, I'd say asm 01:58:13 dkcl: have you done programming in other languages? 01:58:41 Yeah, Common Lisp, some Haskell, and a little C. 01:58:54 cool 01:59:14 So asm it is, I guess. :) 01:59:35 hi JasonWoof 01:59:40 how's your forth vm going these days? 01:59:52 yeah, I bet learning ASM should get you used to working with memory more directly, which will make forth more useful and comprehensible 02:00:10 slava: haven't touched it in quite a while 02:00:26 that's a shame 02:00:46 yeah, I haven't had much energy for computer projects lately 02:00:52 JasonWoof: And hopefully it will bring me back on earth for a change. I'm too used to abstracting endlessly without caring about memory or hardware, which has resulted in complete ignorance of such things. 02:01:28 I learned BASIC, then C, and got decent at C, wrote one big program and many experimental little ones 02:01:57 then when I learned ASM I found out that I thought I knew how computers worked, but in fact I didn't. I just knew how C's model of the computer 02:04:04 Lisp to ASM is probably an even greater leap than C to ASM. 02:04:11 slava: I have fun on that project every time, I should get back to it. It feels a bit pointless to me atm. 02:04:35 also I feel like I should finish something, and that project (fronds) is far from finished 02:05:23 dkcl: Lisp is itself a model of a computer 02:05:36 I've got a php+javascript project I'd like to finish up. A little online collaborative art thing 02:05:38 slava: Yeah, it is. 02:05:41 you can write any computable function in Lisp, and implement Lisp in Lisp in 10 lines or so 02:06:07 yeah, but lisp's model of a computer is _very_ unlike x86 02:07:25 I've been a bit sick for 4 months (cough and low energy), that doesn't help my coding spunk one bit 02:08:03 oh, and I'd like to replace the audio on VoR (the game in C that tathi and I worked on together). 02:08:47 a debian packager came along to package it, and discovered that it's not entirely clear that we have a license to distribute the music 02:09:48 replacing the explosion (the only sound effect) with one with a known license was easy, but the music is proving tougher. I couldn't find any collection of .mod music files that were sorted or searchable by license. 02:10:24 I did however discover MilkyTracer, a little linux program for creating/editing .mod files, and I've been tinkering with that 02:11:04 I made something retro and catchy, but don't know if it fits the game theme. 02:22:51 and I have other distractions, like an apple //e emulator 02:33:04 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-4efd4c358a287eca) joined #forth 02:44:18 ok, overdue for sleep 02:44:29 goodnight/day/morning/evening to you all 02:44:34 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 02:57:09 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-243-247.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 03:08:55 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 03:16:44 --- quit: aum ("Leaving") 03:32:20 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-81-132.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 03:34:02 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 03:43:19 --- join: GeDaMo (n=gedamo@dyn-62-56-54-186.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 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if you describe your problem in more detail, others here may chime in with possible avenues of investigation. 17:20:15 ok 17:20:42 well, it's basically just a unix script 17:20:51 has a line in inetd.conf 17:20:56 anyway 17:21:16 there's clearly a word called value: and then it's used right below 17:21:24 and gforth complains saying it's an undefined word where it's used below 17:22:24 Have you started trying to reduce a test case, or is the inquiry here the first step in your troubleshooting? 17:23:22 i did try something, yes 17:23:44 I started a new instance of gforth, and typed in a word 17:23:59 and it compiled ok 17:24:18 and then include'd the file with that word in it, hoping that the lines below would recognize that definition I entered 17:26:14 --- quit: Deformative (SendQ exceeded) 17:26:15 and it still complained about an undefined word 17:26:35 --- join: Deformative (n=joe@71.238.45.45) joined #forth 17:27:22 inforichland, did you try whittling down the definitions before and after the problematic one to see if you can find the shortest possible sequence of code that causes the error? 17:30:13 I've been trying that, and I think maybe it's a problem with the word itself 17:31:56 I believe the word is manually adding items to the dictionary 17:36:08 after I enter the word into the repl manually, I cannot call it, b/c gForth says it is undefined 17:40:53 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 18:41:48 --- quit: H4ns ("Leaving.") 18:44:07 --- part: inforichland left #forth 18:53:23 --- join: H4ns (n=hans@p57A0C2E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:59:56 --- quit: LOOP-HOG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:46:01 --- join: w7tek (n=w7tek@knowlton.dsl.xmission.com) joined #forth 19:54:02 --- quit: H4ns ("Leaving.") 20:02:54 --- join: H4ns (n=hans@p57A0C2E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 20:29:56 --- quit: crc () 20:52:01 --- quit: Zarutian () 21:28:05 --- join: dkcl (n=dkcl@202.67.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined #forth 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