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i don't want to off topic in #lisp 05:04:52 the thing i'm worrying about having the forth cpu is that i'll prolly subcontract a lot of the dsp development 05:05:08 and i was thinking about how hard it would be to compile the DSP handling stuff to some c primitives that the forth could call 05:05:43 why not? 05:05:45 hi manuel_ 05:06:06 manuel_: i can't see how that would be hard. it's just the calling convention that needs to match 05:06:09 uh i dunno, i'm not into forth that much 05:06:10 ok 05:06:20 cool then i thiuk i'll go this way and maybe save on nios costs 05:06:27 although nios definitely is nice, it also runs ecos out of the box 05:07:02 manuel_: ecos is really quite nice, but it is not very interactive. 05:07:10 i have to look into 05:07:11 it 05:07:19 but i think i'll use your cpu, and write the whole thing bottom up 05:07:28 manuel_: i think i would be making much less progress when i could not interactively try out things, but it is more or less a feeling. 05:07:33 it better fits the way my brain works i noticed, rather than spend 2 weeks to write an OS, i'd rather write my own 05:07:44 yah i think we work a bit the same 05:07:50 manuel_: i remember that when i was doing ecos development, the compiling and downloading really got on my nerves. 05:08:12 manuel_: i find it hard to wrap my head around forth, but i'm making progress. 05:08:17 yep. i thought aboout having an embedded lisp first, but forth just better fits the whole picture 05:08:21 manuel_: and the factoring process is really quite nice. 05:08:23 yep 05:08:37 i'm gonna see how hard it is to port rekonstrukt to the NIOS devkit, adding the touchscreen thingie 05:08:53 but if that works, that's gonna be pretty intense, cause you can just plug a keyboard into it and work on that standalone 05:09:17 and dualscreen on the vga output :) 05:09:43 right. i'm currently working on getting the flash driver to run so that i can save stuff directly on the target 05:09:57 yep. i implemented sdcard yesterday on the minicommand 05:09:59 2GB of storage 05:10:02 at the moment, i'm uploading library code through the serial port, and that's not really painless either :) 05:10:04 with 4 kB of ram, feels a bit weird 05:10:10 yeah 05:10:15 2 gb is too much for a 8 bit forth anyway :) 05:10:42 it's relaly the cheapest solution, 2 EUR per card 05:10:59 sure. and it is easy to get data onto that. 05:11:04 definitely 05:11:23 what i don't get is that you have 1 EUR / GB on those cards 05:11:34 but bigger harddrives are much more expensive 05:12:22 there exist these sd card enclosures in 2.5'' form factor 05:12:47 hmmm, that could be a good move 05:13:16 i do think that cheap sd cards are not of very high quality, though. 05:14:58 yeah, i ordered a batch 05:15:02 and i'm gonna stresstest a few 05:15:12 read write read write read write read write read write read write :) 05:15:30 see how long it takes 05:16:04 make sure that you fill them completely. i think some of them do the wear distribution internally so it could be that they start losing some blocks, but still mostly work 05:16:33 that could be fun on 2 GB 05:23:29 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:23:55 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 05:35:17 --- join: kspaans (i=kspaans@artificial-flavours.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 06:07:29 --- join: nikki93 (n=nikki@89.211.122.152) joined #forth 06:07:30 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 06:07:56 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 06:07:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 06:16:20 --- join: I440r (n=mark4__@ip70-162-227-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 06:29:35 --- join: luis (n=user@r42.eu) joined #forth 06:29:52 hmm, is there a pdf version of Starting Forth? 06:31:44 google iforth, MHX has strting forth there 06:31:48 i dont know if its pdf tho 06:32:11 but starting forth while cute is so far out of date its not worth reading 06:32:19 tho i love that book myself :) 06:32:58 I440r: it is still useful if you're using an outdated forth implementation on an ancient cpu 06:33:28 maybe 07:33:36 --- quit: workthrick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:51:16 --- nick: gogonkt_ -> gogonkt 07:53:30 --- join: H4ns2 (n=hans@p57A0D72B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:10:44 --- quit: H4ns1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:59:24 --- quit: legumbre (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:01:20 --- join: legumbre (n=user@r190-135-13-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined #forth 09:04:54 --- quit: legumbre (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:04:58 --- join: legumbre (n=user@r190-135-13-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined #forth 09:09:17 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:11:18 --- join: manuel__ (n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-043-185-251.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined #forth 09:11:19 hi 09:14:19 --- join: H4ns1 (n=hans@p57A0D72B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:14:32 --- quit: H4ns (Nick collision from services.) 09:14:35 --- nick: H4ns1 -> H4ns 09:14:56 --- join: H4ns1 (n=Hans@p57BBA8E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 09:24:53 --- quit: H4ns2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:29:09 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 09:43:52 --- join: gogonkt_ (n=info@218.13.53.190) joined #forth 09:49:05 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jasonwoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 09:49:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:53:20 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:03:41 --- join: gogonkt (n=info@218.13.54.208) joined #forth 10:06:14 --- quit: gogonkt_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:01:24 --- nick: schmx -> schme 11:03:23 --- join: JasonWoof1 (n=jasonwoo@c-66-31-44-71.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:16:39 --- quit: JasonWoof (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:23:12 --- quit: nikki93 ("leaving") 11:25:28 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:48:16 --- quit: aguai (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:49:40 --- nick: JasonWoof1 -> JasonWoof 11:49:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 12:01:45 --- join: kar8nga (n=kar8nga@a-144.vc-graz.ac.at) joined #forth 12:19:33 --- quit: legumbre (Remote closed the connection) 13:12:30 --- quit: manuel__ () 13:59:44 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote closed the connection) 14:29:46 --- join: hagna (n=hagna@70.102.57.178) joined #forth 14:36:08 what forth is this written for http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_forth/strings.html ? 14:37:32 hagna: you wanted to know something about amforth, could you find out yourself? 14:39:59 H4ns: yes I was wondering how to get it on a micro 14:40:30 hagna: you need an avr programmer. i've been using a stk500, but there are simple parallel port solutions, too. 14:41:00 H4ns: yeah no parallel port here 14:41:43 hagna: there are tons of avr programmers available on the net, see http://www.klaus-leidinger.de/mp/Mikrocontroller/AVR-Prog/AVR-Programmer.html for example./ 14:42:10 hagna: http://shop.ebay.de/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=avr+programmer+usb&_sacat=See-All-Categories 14:42:16 oh yeah 14:55:11 H4ns: what do you recommend for ppl with usb but no serial port? 14:55:27 i'm using a simple serial-usb adapter 14:55:34 hi guys 15:03:11 hi slava 15:03:52 ok talk to you later 15:03:53 --- quit: hagna ("leaving") 15:09:28 --- quit: H4ns ("Leaving.") 15:23:59 --- part: X-Scale left #forth 15:27:29 --- join: manuel__ (n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-043-185-251.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined #forth 15:45:42 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 15:58:55 --- quit: Twey (Connection reset by peer) 15:59:00 --- join: Twey (n=Twey@cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #forth 15:59:31 --- nick: Twey -> Guest7051 15:59:50 --- quit: Guest7051 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:04:31 --- join: madmacs (n=madgarde@CPE001d7e527f89-CM00159a65a870.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:11:47 --- quit: maht (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:14:25 --- join: maht (n=maht__@85.189.31.174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 16:19:01 --- join: Twey_ (n=Twey@cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #forth 16:19:31 --- nick: Twey_ -> Guest53836 16:19:57 --- quit: Guest53836 (Client Quit) 17:05:22 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 17:55:33 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-83-249.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 18:27:15 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:41:52 --- part: madmacs left #forth 19:12:56 --- quit: LOOP-HOG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:27:02 --- quit: manuel__ () 20:37:24 --- join: manuel__ (n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-043-185-251.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined #forth 21:44:29 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:50:37 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 22:06:13 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 22:25:16 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-83-249.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 22:28:43 --- quit: LOOP-HOG (Client Quit) 22:28:55 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-83-249.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 22:35:33 yo 23:59:32 --- join: workthrick (n=mathrick@0x55529153.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/09.02.17