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00:18:20 <gogonkt`1> I can't compile gforth 7.0 on gentoo
00:18:28 <gogonkt`1> cp -p kernl32b.fi kernl32b.fi~
00:18:28 <gogonkt`1> cp -p kernl32b.fi- kernl32b.fi
00:18:28 <gogonkt`1> rm -rf lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/
00:18:28 <gogonkt`1> for i in fflib.fs cstr.fs unix/socket.fs; do ./gforth -e "s\" `pwd`/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/\" libcc-named-dir-v 2! libcc-path clear-path libcc-named-dir libcc-path also-path :noname 2drop s\" /usr/local/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/\" ; is replace-rpath" ./$i -e bye; done
00:18:31 <gogonkt`1> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
00:18:33 <gogonkt`1> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
00:18:36 <gogonkt`1> in file included from *OS command line*:-1
00:18:38 <gogonkt`1> fflib.fs:136: libtool compile failed
00:18:41 <gogonkt`1> >>>end-c-library<<<
00:18:43 <gogonkt`1> Backtrace:
00:18:46 <gogonkt`1> $401A9B0C throw 
00:18:48 <gogonkt`1> $401CB350 c(abort") 
00:18:51 <gogonkt`1> $401CB9E8 compile-wrapper-function1 
00:19:07 <gogonkt`1> what's wrong of this err 
00:19:32 <gogonkt`1> gcc 4.2.3
00:20:02 <gogonkt`1> % gcc --version
00:20:03 <gogonkt`1> gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Gentoo 4.2.4 p1.0)
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04:52:38 <tathi> gogonkt`1: did you figure it out?
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04:55:52 <tathi> This is just a guess, but you could probably edit envos.fs and add "--tag=CC" to libtool-flags
05:04:24 <ASau> Simplicity of Forth.
05:05:35 <tathi> Hehe
05:06:14 <tathi> More like complexity of gforth using gcc at runtime.
05:06:29 <tathi> I can see why they did it
05:07:07 <tathi> And I think their reasons make sense.  But still...it's kind of a heavy-weight solution.
05:10:53 <ASau> I think that with all the complexity it implies, they better choose FICL way.
05:13:15 <tathi> I think it fits with the rest of their implementation strategy.
05:14:17 <tathi> I don't particularly like it, but it is consistent with the kind of design decisions that they tend to make.
05:14:32 <tathi> So I don't expect there's much chance of getting them to change their minds.
05:14:52 <ASau> Do you mean convoluted autoconf machinery and Makefile.in?
05:39:13 <tathi> and vmgen
05:46:54 <ASau> I'm fed with autoshit and libtool before I can get to vmgen.
05:48:03 <ASau> They tell that libtool is to simplify building libraries
05:48:03 <ASau> "even on strange platforms e.g. BSDs".
05:48:39 <ASau> NetBSD always run its _own_, heavily patched version of libtool
05:48:39 <ASau> just because original doesn't work at all.
05:49:54 <ASau> While building libraries is easy like a nail.
05:51:08 <tathi> easy like a nail?
05:51:22 <ASau> I'm completely dissatisfied with recent Gforth release.
05:51:49 <ASau> Yeah, what is so complex in sharp piece of metal?
05:52:03 <tathi> Ah.  I wasn't familiar with that expression.
05:53:27 <ASau> It's ironic, that for correct installation Gforth requires Emacs.
05:53:47 <tathi> Oh?  I thought they fixed that.
05:53:56 <ASau> Who?
05:53:59 <tathi> I don't have emacs, and it installed ok here.
05:54:39 <tathi> But maybe that was after they released 0.7.0.
05:54:44 <ASau> It just ignores the error, which doesn't make it correct.
05:55:08 <ASau> Before I came with report, the error wasn't even ignored.
05:56:11 <ASau> All with accordance with original "write correct at first place" spirit.
05:57:34 <tathi> Yeah, it's a silly way to fix it.  configure already checks for the presence of emacs, so they should just have made configure remove that section from the Makefile when it's not needed.
05:58:04 <ASau> They better removed Emacs invocation at all.
05:58:24 <ASau> It is there just to create byte-compiled file.
05:58:31 <ASau> Everything works without that.
06:28:56 <ASau> One of biggest problem with "remove that section" solution is
06:29:19 <ASau> that Makefile is large spaghetti chunk.
06:30:21 <ASau> And all my attempts to fix their build system disappear like water in sands.
06:33:45 <tathi> I thought you could just put it in Makefile.in, wrapped in "if emacs ... endif" markers of some kind, and have configure remove it if emacs is not detected.
06:34:00 <tathi> That didn't seem like a bad solution to me.
06:34:23 <ASau> Yeah, that's what I'm doing now.
06:34:41 <gogonkt`1> tathi: ASau back
06:34:51 <gogonkt`1> I'm back
06:34:54 <tathi> gogonkt`1: did you get gforth to build?
06:35:07 <gogonkt`1> not yet
06:35:08 <ASau> Emacs dependency isn't the only difficulty.
06:35:16 <tathi> ASau: no, I realize that.
06:35:34 <gogonkt`1> I installed emacs
06:35:42 <ASau> Same for TeX, which is required to build documentation,
06:35:56 <ASau> other things may come into consideration.
06:36:27 <gogonkt`1> I cant found ebuild of 0.7.0
06:36:38 <ASau> And each ad hoc "if [ -n "$EMACS" ]; then ...; fi" block
06:36:42 <gogonkt`1> so build it myself
06:36:59 <ASau> adds to that spaghetti Makefile.in
06:37:19 <ASau> gogonkt`1: so worse to Gentoo :)
06:37:53 <tathi> ASau: but if you want to provide functionality which is specific to some system, there's no way around that.
06:38:05 <gogonkt`1> did you know who mantane the ebuild?
06:38:08 <ASau> If you don't mind handling silent dependencies, I run package, that builds from CVS snapshots.
06:38:43 <ASau> tathi: my point is that Makefile should be refactored in a way,
06:38:47 <tathi> gogonkt`1: you could probably copy the 0.6.2 ebuild and update it for 0.7.0 pretty easily
06:38:56 <tathi> I don't know who maintains it
06:38:59 <ASau> that allows easier customization.
06:39:09 <ASau> tathi: haha.
06:39:11 <gogonkt`1> :)
06:39:17 <ASau> Not that easy.
06:39:25 <gogonkt`1> yes,
06:39:43 <gogonkt`1> I'm newbie of gentoo
06:39:49 <tathi> Ah, ok.
06:40:33 <ASau> gogonkt`1: any particular reason to use gentoo or linux?
06:40:42 * tathi wonders if he remembers enough about gentoo to do it...
06:41:07 <gogonkt`1> I use debian before for years
06:41:19 <tathi> Heh.  I just switched the other way recently
06:41:38 <ASau> I stopped using linux 4-5 years ago.
06:42:00 <gogonkt`1> no reason,It only an OS
06:42:13 <tathi> I tried to switch to NetBSD a while back, but it didn't run on the hardware I had then.
06:42:14 <gogonkt`1> anther
06:43:04 <ASau> tathi: which one?
06:43:15 <tathi> G4 Powermac
06:43:43 <ASau> tathi: we have G4 (or even G3?) users on-line.
06:44:02 <tathi> Yeah, it may work now.
06:44:04 <gogonkt`1> now,I run it on Thinkpad x31
06:44:07 <tathi> It almost worked then.
06:44:18 <ASau> What I know of that is that it is somewhat tricky to start.
06:44:42 <tathi> gogonkt`1: did you try editing envos.f?
06:45:07 <gogonkt`1> windows or linux,I run same software
06:45:27 <gogonkt`1> oh,,,,sorry,I do it right now
06:46:22 <tathi> No need to apologize, you're the one with the problem. :)
06:47:39 <gogonkt`1> edit envos.fs and add "--tag=CC" to libtool-flags??
06:48:07 <tathi> yeah.  You see it?
06:48:17 <ASau> Actually, that's pretty strange.
06:48:19 <gogonkt`1>     s" gcc" ;
06:48:20 <gogonkt`1>   
06:48:20 <gogonkt`1> : libtool-flags ( -- c-addr u ) \ gforth
06:48:20 <gogonkt`1> \G force no undefined for cygwin
06:48:20 <gogonkt`1>     [ s" linux-gnu" s" cygwin" str= ] [IF]  s"  -no-undefined "
06:48:23 <gogonkt`1>     [ELSE]  s" "  [THEN] ;
06:48:40 <ASau> Can you tell your libtool version?
06:48:48 <tathi> on the last line, inside the s" "
06:49:01 <gogonkt`1>  libtool version?
06:49:07 <ASau> Yes.
06:49:17 <gogonkt`1> how get there?
06:49:18 <tathi> libtool --version
06:49:23 <gogonkt`1> that
06:49:41 <gogonkt`1> # libtool --version
06:49:44 <gogonkt`1> ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 2.2.6
06:49:44 <gogonkt`1> Written by Gordon Matzigkeit <gord@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, 1996
06:49:51 <gogonkt`1> it that?
06:50:02 <tathi> and can you paste the definition of libtool-cc in envos.fs?
06:50:08 <ASau> ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.5.26 (1.1220.2.492 2008/01/30 06:40:56)
06:50:09 <ASau> Hm.
06:50:14 <tathi> oh, you caught it in your last paste
06:50:15 <tathi> never mind
06:50:48 <tathi> Yeah.  It's odd that it's giving you a problem.
06:50:49 <ASau> I remember it is problematic, but it worked for me once.
06:51:12 <ASau> I still use libffi bindings in my projects.
06:51:50 <tathi> I would try changing s" " to s" --tag=CC" on the last line of libtool-flags
06:51:58 <tathi> I'm not sure it will work, but it's the first thing I'd try.
06:52:20 <gogonkt`1> oh
06:53:19 <gogonkt`1> making...
06:53:19 <ASau> I do remember though that debian considers libtool 2.2 "too new".
06:54:56 <gogonkt`1> how >> build output to a file?
06:55:45 <ASau> make > there 2>&1
06:56:07 <ASau> Assuming you're not orthodox BSD fanatic...
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06:59:56 <gogonkt`1>  http://dpaste.com/105240/
07:00:06 <gogonkt`1> gforth-0.7.0 % wgetpaste build.log
07:01:36 <tathi> hmm
07:02:20 <gogonkt`1> googleed,and can't help me
07:02:35 <ASau> Google can't help with it.
07:02:52 <gogonkt`1> Orz...
07:03:07 <tathi> can you go into libcc.fs, find compile-wrapper-function1 (line 555 or so) and uncomment the two "2dup type cr" lines?
07:03:55 <tathi> then we could see the actual commands that are failing
07:04:25 <gogonkt`1>     \    2dup type cr
07:04:26 <gogonkt`1>     2dup system drop free throw $? abort" libtool compile failed"                                            
07:04:29 <gogonkt`1>     [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=link " s+                                                          
07:04:32 <gogonkt`1>       libtool-cc append libtool-flags append s"  -module -rpath " s+ ] sliteral
07:05:12 <tathi> yeah.  remove the backslash at the beginning of those two lines
07:05:24 <gogonkt`1> makeing
07:05:59 <gogonkt`1> gforth-0.7.0 % wgetpaste build.log
07:06:01 <gogonkt`1> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/105241/
07:07:36 <tathi> Huh.  It didn't include the --tag=CC
07:07:53 <tathi> or...am I looking in the wrong place?
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07:08:14 <gogonkt`1> : libtool-flags ( -- c-addr u ) \ gforth
07:08:16 <gogonkt`1> \G force no undefined for cygwin [ s" linux-gnu" s" cygwin" str= ] [IF]  s"  -no-undefined " [ELSE]  s" --tag=CC"  [THEN] ;                        
07:08:27 <gogonkt`1> this wrong?
07:08:56 <tathi> looks good to me
07:09:06 <gogonkt`1> o
07:09:08 <tathi> probably should have a space before the closing quote
07:09:33 <tathi> Oh, I'm an idiot.
07:09:38 <tathi> ok, let me think
07:09:45 <gogonkt`1> ??
07:10:00 <gogonkt`1> U smart 
07:10:50 <tathi> OK, take --tag=CC out of libtool-flags; we'll try putting it in compile-wrapper-function1
07:12:01 <tathi> in libcc.fs, compile-wrapper-function1, put --tag=CC after --mode=compile and --mode=link.
07:12:15 <gogonkt`1> doing that
07:12:16 <tathi> Make sure you put a space before the close quote, that might cause problems.
07:12:34 <tathi> I hope that works; I don't really understand libtool
07:13:23 <gogonkt`1> 2dup system drop free throw $? abort" libtool compile failed" [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=link --tag=CC " s+
07:15:06 <gogonkt`1> gforth-0.7.0 % wgetpaste build.log            
07:15:07 <gogonkt`1> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/105243/
07:15:33 <tathi> did you get the --mode=compile line too?
07:15:53 <tathi> that's the one that your build log says is failing
07:16:14 <gogonkt`1> I see that
07:17:54 <gogonkt`1> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
07:17:56 <gogonkt`1> It still here...
07:18:10 <tathi> Well, I'm stumped then.
07:18:21 <tathi> you could try asking on the gforth mailing list or comp.lang.forth, whichever.
07:18:51 <gogonkt`1> well
07:18:55 <gogonkt`1> Thx
07:21:08 <tathi> actually, can you paste the one of the libtool commands just so I can see?
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07:21:47 <gogonkt`1> which one?
07:22:36 <tathi> one that starts libtool --silent --mode=compile
07:22:45 <tathi> doesn't matter which one
07:22:46 <gogonkt`1> $401CBA08 compile-wrapper-function1 libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -I /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/include -O -c /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/fflib.c -o /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/fflib.lo
07:23:02 <gogonkt`1> this one?
07:23:29 <tathi> There is still no --tag=CC in there
07:23:51 <gogonkt`1> yes
07:24:11 <tathi> What if you paste that to your command line and add the --tag=CC?
07:24:40 <tathi> preferably right after --mode=compile
07:25:23 <gogonkt`1> 2dup system drop free throw $? abort" libtool compile failed" [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=link --tag=CC " s+
07:25:39 <tathi> ?
07:25:42 <gogonkt`1> in libcc.fs
07:26:32 <tathi> Oh, I don't care about that.  I want you to go to your gforth-0.7.0 directory and try running the following command:
07:26:51 <gogonkt`1> yes?
07:27:05 <tathi> libtool --silent --mode-compile --tag=CC gcc -I /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/include  -O -c /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/fflib.c -o  /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/fflib.lo
07:27:53 <gogonkt`1> libtool: unrecognized option `--mode-compile'
07:27:54 <gogonkt`1> libtool: Try `libtool --help' for more information.
07:28:13 <tathi> er. hang on a sec
07:29:27 <gogonkt`1> % libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CC gcc -I /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/include -O -c /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/socket.c -o /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/socket.lo       
07:29:35 <gogonkt`1> this work!
07:30:02 <gogonkt`1> no warning
07:30:43 <gogonkt`1>  --tag=CC  place not right ?
07:30:50 <tathi> Ah, excellent.
07:31:02 <gogonkt`1> @_@
07:31:03 <tathi> Maybe we just have to get it to rebuild the image
07:31:23 <tathi> Let me look through the build log again...
07:32:07 <gogonkt`1> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/105243/
07:32:15 <tathi> Yeah.
07:32:44 <gogonkt`1> which file handle --tag=CC 
07:33:25 <tathi> I think we have it in the right place.  Try doing 'make clean' and then make again
07:33:55 <tathi> Or...no, that doesn't make sense.
07:34:18 <tathi> Oh, yes it does.  Try that.
07:34:24 <gogonkt`1> make clean ;make -j2 >build.log 2>&1
07:34:29 <tathi> ya
07:35:02 <tathi> I bet it's just using an image file with libcc.fs built in, so it didn't actually see the changes.
07:35:19 <gogonkt`1> wgetpaste build.log
07:35:19 <gogonkt`1> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/105251/
07:36:02 <gogonkt`1> sould I re-unpackage source and make again?
07:36:46 <tathi> Worth a try, I guess
07:37:17 <tathi> It doesn't make sense to me.
07:37:26 <gogonkt`1> hoho
07:37:29 <tathi> It noticed when you un-commented the '2dup type cr'
07:37:38 <tathi> but not when you added the --tag
07:37:40 <tathi> I don't get it.
07:39:31 <tathi> Are you sure you have this in libcc.fs?
07:39:33 <tathi> : compile-wrapper-function1 ( -- ) lib-handle 0= if c-source-file close-file throw 0 c-source-file-id ! [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=compile --tag=CC " s+
07:39:42 <tathi> ack
07:39:44 <tathi> no newlines
07:39:45 <gogonkt`1> yes
07:40:31 <tathi> That's very strange.  the --tag comes through here
07:41:48 <gogonkt`1> [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=link " s+
07:41:57 <tathi> no, not mode=link
07:42:00 <tathi> show me the mode=compile line
07:42:04 <gogonkt`1> I found this
07:42:11 <gogonkt`1> added
07:43:04 <tathi> well, the mode=link should be fixed too.  but mode=compile is the line that seems to be giving you trouble right now.
07:43:21 <gogonkt`1> en
07:43:29 <gogonkt`1> making
07:44:17 <gogonkt`1>  http://dpaste.com/105255/
07:45:45 <gogonkt`1> % LANG=C make clean ;make -j2 >build.log 2>&1
07:48:40 <tathi> Looks like it worked?
07:49:13 <gogonkt`1> it done???
07:50:00 <gogonkt`1> http://dpaste.com/105258/
07:50:03 <gogonkt`1> now one
07:50:36 <gogonkt`1> in file included from *OS command line*:-1
07:50:37 <gogonkt`1> unix/socket.fs:48: libtool link failed
07:50:37 <gogonkt`1> >>>end-c-library<<<
07:50:37 <gogonkt`1> Backtrace:
07:50:37 <gogonkt`1> $401A9B0C throw 
07:50:39 <gogonkt`1> $401CB4E4 c(abort") 
07:50:41 <gogonkt`1> $401CBA00 compile-wrapper-function1 libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CC gcc -I /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/include -O -c /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/socket.c -o /home/gogonkt/gforth7/gforth-0.7.0/lib/gforth/0.7.0/libcc-named/socket.lo
07:50:48 <gogonkt`1> make: *** [build-libcc-named] Error 1
07:50:49 <gogonkt`1> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
07:50:51 <gogonkt`1> *** Check successful ***
07:50:54 <gogonkt`1> ./gforth-fast --diag -e bye
07:50:56 <gogonkt`1> *** no performance problems ***
07:51:49 <tathi> yeah.
07:51:49 <gogonkt`1> Is it compiled?
07:52:00 <gogonkt`1> :D
07:52:05 <tathi> looks like it's compiled, but the libcc tests are failing.
07:52:08 <gogonkt`1> Wow
07:52:13 <tathi> so it depends if you want to use libcc
07:52:37 <gogonkt`1> libcc for what?
07:52:53 <tathi> it's the new interface for binding to external C libraries
07:53:20 <gogonkt`1> I think not need that
07:53:44 <tathi> Then you can probably just install it.
07:54:10 <gogonkt`1> hard work
07:54:19 <gogonkt`1> and we done!
07:54:32 <tathi> heh
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07:59:08 <gogonkt`1> did it look all done?  http://dpaste.com/105260/
07:59:35 <gogonkt`1> [ libtool-command s"  --silent --mode=link --tag=CC " s+
07:59:41 <gogonkt`1> add this
07:59:56 <tathi> I was wondering if you missed that.
08:00:28 <tathi> Yeah, it looks done -- ***Check successful*** and ***no performance problems*** are usually the end of the build
08:00:41 <gogonkt`1> I report this bug tomorrow
08:00:55 <tathi> I was just sending an email to the gforth list.
08:01:08 <gogonkt`1> :D
08:01:15 <gogonkt`1> nice job
08:02:29 <gogonkt`1> time to bed,good 9, tathi 
08:02:59 <tathi> night
08:03:04 <tathi> off to work for me :)
08:03:26 <gogonkt`1> 00:03 here hoho
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