00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.12.25 00:00:19 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@195.116.35.13) joined #forth 00:42:58 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:27:30 im being stalked :) 03:45:38 :D 03:45:53 Merry Xmas 04:45:52 --- quit: ASau` (Remote closed the connection) 04:45:52 --- join: ASau` (n=user@host94-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 05:27:29 --- quit: bearhunter (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:27:39 --- join: bearhunter (n=asdf@c-68-81-193-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:43:20 --- join: tathi (n=josh@dsl-216-227-91-166.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 06:43:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 07:07:53 --- quit: ASau` ("off") 07:14:10 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:23:57 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 08:24:41 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 08:28:29 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 09:24:00 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:34:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 09:41:40 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:10:43 --- quit: lasts (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:20:36 --- join: lasts (n=lasts@77.207.25.109) joined #forth 11:11:27 --- quit: bearhunter () 11:31:41 Ha! 11:31:55 Another iteration of nothing-written-in-Forth on clf. :D 11:31:57 hi 11:32:03 lol 11:32:10 why do you even bother wtih clf? 11:32:34 And the same old answers "if-you-do-not-see-it-it-does-not-mean-it-is-not-there" 11:32:43 :) 11:32:52 and "remember-that-old-spreashit-on-Mac". 11:33:14 I wonder why noone recalled that King Haled Airport. 11:33:38 whats special about that? 11:33:48 ive not heared this story! 11:33:56 It is in SF or TF. 11:34:02 Rather likes it. 11:34:10 what is? 11:34:31 It seems to be the most recent success story, which comes from late 70s. 11:34:47 yes but what part of the airport is coded in forth? 11:35:04 i know the fed-ex tracking system USED to be coded in forth, not sure if it still is tho 11:35:07 They rewrote air traffic control or luggage system. 11:35:27 I doubt it is. 11:35:32 i doubt it was ATC 11:35:43 yea im not thinking it will still be in forth myself any more 11:35:45 Yeah, I doubt too. 11:36:01 i know that the satellite tracking systems that direct tv use are ALL coded in forth. ive worked on them :P 11:36:06 Even RRW replaced 25 years old software 5 years ago. 11:36:27 lets see if the new shit lasts 25 years 11:36:31 Hardware included. 11:37:00 ok i gotta go make me some xmas coffee hehe 11:37:11 Time flow is faster now, you are to rescale. 11:37:16 check out www.isforth.com - i been werkin on it :) 11:37:29 Still linux-only? 11:37:56 yea scaleability is not as important for ain airport after 25 years... i think by then they would have reached peak hehe 11:38:12 well. thers still no download, rite now im working on the documentation in the web page 11:39:23 netbsd.org's navigation is more convenient. 11:39:37 but ya for now still linux only. tathi ported it to ppc linux and i HAD a working fbsd port but im not able to get a working fbsd install bleh 11:39:38 It takes a line, not a column. 11:39:58 and their page is too noisy 11:40:04 You can boot FreeSBIE. 11:40:31 and i dont like bright orange on a bright blinding wall of white 11:41:03 in fact i hate the whole wall of white thing. i dont even like it in an editor. i always subdue the background and bring the foreground to the front 11:41:18 dark on white is an inverted contrast, VERY harsh 11:41:38 notice how im using nothing but subdued colors in my page except in some FEW/RARE instances :P 11:41:47 brb, xmas coffee... .. . 11:47:38 hmm is netbsd better than fbsd? 11:47:44 Yes. 11:47:51 you use netbsd? 11:47:51 Otherwise I wouldn't convert. 11:47:55 heh 11:47:57 I use both. 11:48:08 FreeBSD at work, NetBSD at home. 11:48:19 cool 11:48:30 what do you do? 11:49:05 Telecom and monitoring for Russian Railways. 11:49:14 when i did the original port to freebsd i did it on slava's dads machine heh. slava snuk me in :P 11:49:18 in forth??? :)) 11:49:35 ill try a netbsd install in my vm here 11:49:53 I'm going to write experimental part in Forth. 11:50:13 C doesn't allow some things which Forth do. 11:50:22 ok im not impressed with the navigation within the netbsd page 11:50:33 Unless you hack C compiler, which isn't my intention. 11:50:43 when i click on a "download here" link i dont expect a wall of "TLDR" text with ANOTHEr link buried somewhere in there 11:51:17 I can pass it to web dev. 11:51:25 Should I attribute complain? 11:51:34 thats one of my pet peves about sourceforge too. click here to download leading to a click here to download leading to a click here to download leading to a "if your download doesnt start soon click here" 11:52:00 heh bright colors on a bright background lol 11:52:15 are you one of the devs of netbsd then? 11:52:20 Not yet. 11:52:25 "yet" cool :) 11:52:39 you can help me get netbsd installed and running hah 11:53:08 /join #netbsd :) 11:53:19 heh 11:53:23 We have plenty of helpful folk there. 11:53:23 if i have to i will lol 11:53:57 i installed fbsd inside a vmware at work and it totally failed when i tried to install / update the ports database 11:54:08 did the install again at home also in a vm and it failed in exactly the same way 11:54:19 ? 11:56:17 VMs use to misemulate ACPI. 11:56:17 after installing thers a command you execute to download and extract the ports database in fbsd 11:56:17 i ferget what it was 11:56:18 ftp ftp.netbsd.org 11:56:18 Or freebsd.org 11:56:18 is the netbsd live cd also the install cd? 11:56:18 ? 11:56:18 no im guessing not 11:56:19 There's live CD (Jihbed), but I don't know its current state. 11:56:19 I know the author sometimes appear on the channel though. :) 11:56:25 heh 11:57:02 i got pissed off with firefox yesterday 11:57:43 i left my machine running and while i was away firefox very kindly upgraded from 2.x to 3.x and totally trashed ALL my preferences and when i tried to configure it the way i had it previously it kept crashing 11:58:01 ??? 11:58:05 so i sent them a nastygram in the crash report asking WHY THE FUCK did you install this shit unasked for dammit 11:58:05 Hm! 11:58:11 That may be my problem. 12:02:24 --- quit: gnomon_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:27 --- quit: gogonkt`` (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:27 --- quit: segher (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:30 --- quit: ASau (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:31 --- quit: mathrick (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:31 --- quit: I440r (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:31 --- quit: Deformative (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:31 --- quit: uiu_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:33 --- quit: tarbo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:02:33 --- quit: TreyB (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:09:42 --- join: segher (n=segher@84-105-61-45.cable.quicknet.nl) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: gogonkt`` (n=info@124.64.183.231) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: uiu_ (n=ian@schihei.net) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: Deformative (n=joe@c-68-62-76-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: I440r (n=mark4_@ip70-190-70-22.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: mathrick (n=mathrick@195.116.35.13) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: gnomon_ (n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: tarbo (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) joined #forth 12:09:42 --- join: TreyB (n=trey@74.203.168.157) joined #forth 12:41:08 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 12:45:50 --- join: I440 (n=mark4_@ip70-190-70-22.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 13:25:23 ok im not going to be using netbsd. not in a MILLION years would i subject myself to that sort of bullshit 13:28:54 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@68.186.54.46) joined #forth 13:33:12 Ha! You're using linux :) 13:34:04 What's wrong with running it without swap? 13:34:15 Are you short of RAM? 13:43:16 no i was just confused. but im not going to run *bsd at all 13:43:42 i was just going thru the documentation for netbsd and figuring out how to get the ports installed. i went to THEIR documentation 13:43:56 and it is very misleading. i questioned them on that and they told me oh. just ignore the documentation 13:44:01 so i will do that 13:44:09 i already dleted the VM from my drive 13:57:36 No, the documentation is right. 13:57:50 I don't see any misleading point there. 13:58:34 All package tools are already installed. 14:00:24 What you was reading is (I'm almost sure) instructions to 14:00:24 install on _other_ supported platforms, which are not native. 14:00:35 Like Solaris, FreeBSD &c &c. 14:02:47 Hi all 14:02:59 Good evening. 14:03:05 hi tathi 14:03:07 merry xmas 14:03:11 Likewise. 14:03:44 asau the documentation starts with "this is how you would downlaod and isntall BLAH to begin with" and tiotally fails to mention that its already installed as soon as you have the base system installed 14:03:55 totally even 14:04:05 erm some day i shud learn to type maybe 14:04:40 anyone here colorblind? 14:05:04 why? 14:05:20 The colors on your site are pretty awful though; not enough contrast. 14:05:31 because im using subdued colors in my page and i want to know if someone might have difficulty :) 14:05:35 i want subdued colors 14:05:47 i hate taht in your face blinding wall of white look 14:06:09 super duper ultra giga high contrast with a blindingly bright background is DUMB 14:06:22 Oh, stop whining. 14:06:27 I didn't say anything about a bright background 14:06:42 erm i didnt say you did :) 14:06:52 I just think your background needs to be more different from the text 14:07:06 look at docs / kernel / isforth and the test test test... is that TOO dim>? 14:07:48 Hrm. I guess it's not so bad if I turn my monitor brightness up a bunch. 14:07:56 lol 14:07:57 ok wait 14:08:10 is that better? tho i dont like that color 14:10:17 eh. stick with the white 14:10:22 no 14:11:27 the lime green is better 14:11:39 maybe 14:11:45 eh. whatever 14:12:30 yea i was looking for that 14:12:53 but the lime green in the menus is bold. but i can bold this too maybe 14:12:56 check now 14:13:21 doesn't look bold to me... 14:13:24 erm no. bold looks ick 14:13:30 i just set it to bold lol 14:13:43 oh 14:14:25 lol DONT look at it now... 14:14:51 ok. what about that? 14:16:21 I440: http://www.NetBSD.org/docs/pkgsrc/getting.html 14:16:30 Where does it state what you describe? 14:16:52 the first thing it tells you is "how to GET pkgsrc installed" 14:17:12 What is wrong there? 14:17:24 _Everything_ is correct there. 14:17:59 I go through this procedure each time I deploy new system (e.g. in chroot). 14:19:41 ugh. tathi look at it now and tell me how to put a margin INSIDE the box. every time i set a margin it shrinks or grwos the box, not its content 14:20:19 ok nvm i might have found it 14:21:01 ya. got it 14:21:08 really? 14:21:19 is that good or should i set the green back to bold? 14:22:21 Whichever; I don't like it either way, and I'm probably not going to like anything that you're happy with, so don't worry about it. 14:27:06 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:36:03 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@68.186.54.46) joined #forth 16:19:09 --- quit: xjrn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:27:06 --- nick: I440 -> I440r 17:04:16 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@68.186.54.46) joined #forth 18:10:18 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.7) joined #forth 18:16:24 --- join: sunwukong (n=salvi@ortros.den.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp) joined #forth 18:36:43 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 18:36:51 HELLO 18:36:55 sorry caps 18:37:25 : christmas bah-hum-bug ; 18:38:46 lol 18:39:47 actually it was a pretty good day 18:40:12 my 97 year old grandma got to hold her 2 week old great-great-grandson 18:44:19 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:01:35 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 20:21:02 --- quit: crc () 20:24:40 --- quit: xjrn (Remote closed the connection) 21:11:47 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:57:09 --- join: ASau` (n=user@host196-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.12.25