00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.10.23 00:43:09 --- part: edrx left #forth 00:48:54 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 00:49:50 howdy 00:54:43 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 00:55:01 anybody here now? 00:55:05 hi 00:55:20 I added a decompiler to my little interpreter 00:55:44 its about 2700 lines of code for the whole thing right now 00:58:18 runs unchanged on alpha and x86_64. poriting to 32 bits would take some ifdefs and such 00:59:23 cool 01:00:17 changiing long to long long basically and ptrs would only need to be 4 byts 01:00:34 the intptr_t type is good for that 01:00:48 right need to read up on all those 01:01:59 so I guess there is an iint_64 type ? 01:02:13 stupid keyboard keeps repeating 01:02:25 sizeof(intptr_t) == sizeof(void*) 01:02:27 long long is 64 bits 01:03:02 long on alpha is 64 01:03:27 yes 01:03:36 but on 64-bit windows, long is 32 bits 01:03:52 64 bit linux long is 64 also 01:04:13 yes 01:04:41 have not considering doing it for windows I don't own a compiler for c 01:04:50 gcc runs on windows :) 01:04:51 except cygwin 01:04:59 slava: snowrichard :) 01:05:08 there's no 64-bit cygwin port, but ther eis a 64-bit mingw gcc 01:06:53 darn its cold in here I need to turn off the ac and turn on the heat 01:07:49 funny the two biggest cats are sleeping in my Lexmark all in one printer box 01:07:59 got new fax printer 01:08:55 your cats so interesting :) 01:09:24 they like boxes 01:09:57 they are cat,anyway 01:10:31 stilll emerging kde-meta on this x86_64..... taken all day 01:11:48 so does the mingw let you make a gui? 01:12:15 I don't have a 64 bit windows system eiither 01:12:29 just vista and windows 2000 01:12:59 ah 01:13:09 well, mingw lets you compile native win32 binaries 01:13:12 as does cygwin 01:13:20 mingw doesn't have cygwin's optinal unix emulation layer 01:15:28 I have an electric guitar here that one of my nephews friends left -- he will be getting it home at some point, but I got a chord chart from brother-in-law, am going to try to learn a few chords and play with it 01:16:32 I have a keyboard which I can play easier, but haven't bothered to hook it up as I can't do midii. I can jack the headphone to line - in though 01:17:03 have to re-arrange the furniture slightly to make the cables reach 01:17:59 so that I could reach the computer keyboard and the music keyboard at the same time too :) 01:19:39 its been forever since I tried to program any windows gui program and I never got good at it. I have a very early visuall C on a 386 a long time ago. 01:20:06 that machine got stolen in houston 01:21:17 I could use software sequencer and enter notes by computer keyboard but that's real tedious 01:21:40 lilypond can do that 01:23:13 sorry I'm talking to mysellf you doiing anything interesting? go ahead 01:24:03 only 60 packages left on KDE yay 01:24:29 no 40 ! 01:26:17 223 of 282 01:27:13 coffee making time bbl 01:35:57 got coffee 01:36:07 coffee found , operator restarted 01:36:08 :) 01:37:11 crc ? you may have mail at mypals.iinfo if not email me at richard@mypals.info 01:37:26 crc ? you may have mail at mypals.info if not email me at richard@mypals.info 01:38:40 mutt is the mail client installed 01:44:09 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 01:46:54 http://www.mypals.info/tikiwiki-2.1/tiki-index.php?page=MichaelFour 01:47:14 the michael 4 doc page with the new version link at the bottom 02:25:06 --- join: snowrichard_ (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 02:25:14 --- quit: snowrichard_ (Remote closed the connection) 02:25:22 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 02:29:41 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 02:52:18 --- quit: nighty__ (Remote closed the connection) 02:54:32 hi again 02:54:39 crc? 02:54:58 or slava 02:55:44 ok I'll be back in #gentoo I'm rebuilding qt I'll be on a while lol 03:03:58 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 03:06:55 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 03:14:33 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.3) joined #forth 04:04:58 --- join: lasts (n=lasts@77.207.25.109) joined #forth 04:05:13 does snowrichard know theze logs are public and parsed by google? 04:15:24 Presumably. 04:34:03 --- quit: ENKI-][ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:40:22 --- join: ENKI-][ (n=weechat@c-71-234-190-248.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:51:16 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 04:58:06 hi 04:58:18 :) 04:58:43 its rebuilding the whole toolchain ... i'll have lots of time to wait .... 04:59:43 got to emerge system packages then the kde packages that depend on the oopengl use flag changeing then the rest of kde meta 05:00:29 its on GCC now 05:01:11 then after all that recompile the kernel 05:01:27 and reboot 05:01:42 then shut it down and go to sleep :) 05:02:28 but I'll have a system fullly optimized for my processor :) 05:07:13 gnomon, hey you want to chat by email sometime my server mail address is richard@mypals.info .. the web site is also http://mypal.info 05:07:21 gogonkt, 05:07:24 I mean 05:07:29 ? 05:07:50 ok 05:08:01 MYPALS.INFO 05:08:06 darn cat 05:08:15 jumping on kb 05:09:14 found ForCy, forth for atmega http://www.recursion.jp/forcy/index.html 05:09:16 hoho 05:09:26 cool 05:09:38 I can't build hardware, not that skilled with soldering and such 05:09:56 maybe could wire wrap something or use breadboards 05:10:11 hoho 05:10:38 circuit is simple 05:11:02 wire wrap board would be really ugly though al those wires goiing everywhere on the back siide 05:11:42 :) 05:12:04 so if you build the processor do you load the code via rs232 or usb or what 05:12:38 or onboard keyboard 05:13:11 a serial interface would be easy I think 05:13:30 It seem via Terminal 05:13:40 ok 05:13:51 I did a 68K board in a class like that one time 05:14:03 I mean programmed it not built lol 05:14:30 hoho 05:14:33 I ported the cpm small C compiler to generate code 05:14:59 it ran on PC of course 05:15:23 my teacher didn't like it 05:15:26 and amForth can drive a keyboard and little LCD 05:15:37 said I should write my own damn code lol 05:15:52 ha 05:16:46 funny the IBM mainframe assembly language teacher didn't mind me writing my own macros -- he just wanted to see the generated code. 05:17:07 yes,sure 05:17:31 they didn't cover macros till the second class, this was itnro to assembly 05:17:39 hoho,nice idea 05:18:12 I wish I had finished the system programming course but I sort of dropped otu 05:18:14 out 05:18:32 I passed it by giving a lecture 05:18:39 why dont finish that? 05:18:44 but I didn't do the handls on programming part 05:19:15 I was working on another project at home, a 6502 assembler/editor 05:19:38 haha 05:20:21 we sold one copy to Wpz amd Jobs at Apple .... they were building the apple 2 in thier garage. Should have asked for a per-system royoalty I'd be rich lol 05:21:21 google MicroSoftware Specialists Inc, yu can find our old address lol 05:21:21 mayer you sould sold the licences :) 05:21:44 googleing 05:21:48 I was 17, young and dumb 05:23:00 I've got an uncle who is a hardware expert -- he is engineer at Texas Instruments, retired. He had patent on the calculator chiip they made. 05:23:05 Jerry Merryman 05:23:27 cool 05:23:46 some one like Jobs? 05:23:46 He's got an Altair 8080 in perfect conditon that he built 05:24:49 He also patented ink jet printer nozzle or something 05:24:58 hoho 05:25:39 you can find the patents in Google too 05:25:52 cant reach mypal.info/ 05:26:22 http://www.mypals.info/tikiwiki-2.1/tiki-index.php 05:26:32 it has an s 05:27:30 http://www.datamath.org/Story/JackKilby.htm 05:27:35 the calculator page 05:27:48 about my uncle and Jack Kirby 05:27:51 "s" lol 05:28:03 s for sucks :p 05:28:17 wow 05:28:41 he's one smart guy ;) 05:28:53 we can reimpland HP calculator with forth 05:28:55 hoho 05:29:15 Mu forth does FP 05:29:26 floating point that is 05:29:42 wow, Jack S. is your uncle? 05:30:11 http://www.mypals.info/tikiwiki-2.1/tiki-index.php?page=MichaelFour 05:30:15 I readed some stuff about him years ago 05:30:15 no Jerry merryman 05:30:19 :) 05:30:35 he's on that datamath page 05:31:01 hoho 05:31:07 Jerry 05:31:09 He's actually my father's uncle 05:31:20 my great -uncle 05:31:23 O_O 05:31:35 lol 05:31:51 He's real nice to talk to 05:31:56 I viisted his house once 05:32:04 saw the Altiar 8080 05:32:22 it was on display like a museum piece though not running 05:32:31 Jerry more hansome :p 05:32:39 it would be worth megabucks on Ebay 05:32:46 but he'll never sell it 05:34:30 EUR/JPY falling down so quick! 05:34:59 got some money again :p 05:35:55 http://www.schizophrenicprogrammer.info/ 05:36:02 this page has a picture of me 05:36:07 computer is more romanty these day I think 05:36:12 and the goats :) 05:36:29 :) 05:36:46 http://www.schizophrenicprogrammer.info/store 05:36:54 a php store 05:37:36 I'm trying to document it now but I need to do it on the laptop because it has open office. 05:37:40 you look like uncle Jerry 05:37:55 your face 05:37:57 there may be some resemblance 05:38:13 I hope I got hsi brains lol 05:38:35 I had a genius leell IQ when I was a kid 05:38:39 level 05:38:52 lol 05:38:57 now I can't even spell its because this damn font is too small in the input window 05:39:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=MicroSoftware+Specialists+Inc&go=Go 05:39:14 typing blind 05:39:43 U sould wrote some thing about your cop. 05:39:56 and uncle Jerry 05:40:13 nothing at wikipedia 05:47:19 http://www.commodore.ca/manuals/kim1/kim1_hints.txt 05:47:57 I found this file, which is a ocpy of an old newsletter, it list the address, but I cheated, put the address that I knew in google to find it. 05:48:22 hoho 05:48:44 but it proves the company and the assembler existed :) 05:49:35 There was an actual Print ad in Byte Magazine but I forgot the issue date 05:50:21 but it was withing a few months after the KIM-1 came out 05:50:36 3 - 6 months 05:50:59 we sold abotu 300 copies all told 05:51:14 one to Rockwell 05:51:30 they may have used it to buiild the forth in the AIM 05:52:21 now that I"ve done the forth in C I think I want to write a 6502 simulator and do a forth in 6502 code. I could run dozens of them on my 4-way alpha lol 05:53:03 a virtual network of 6502 :) 05:53:03 en 05:54:08 the only C code I've found for 6502 sim/emulator is broken it doesn't do the BCD mode correclty 05:54:44 sure I could do it right after all that experience with programming it 05:55:07 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=6502+simulator&btnG=Search 05:55:29 6502 Macroassembler & Simulator - Michal Kowalski has created this ... 6502SIM 05:55:45 http://home.pacbell.net/michal_k/6502.html 05:55:52 yah 05:55:57 yeah it runs on windows but the dist is missing help files 05:56:06 http://www.6502.org/tools/emu/ 05:56:08 and no source code 05:57:24 Virtual 6502 is JavaScript-based assembler, disassembler, and emulator that runs in your browser. 05:57:29 hoho 05:57:42 http://www.surffi.net/~allu/main/index.php?Emulators#sim6502 05:57:52 this one is supposed to have code 05:58:33 I thnk I';d rather do it in C though, faster 05:59:00 I've already pritned out the instriuction set reference 05:59:03 its online 05:59:18 :) 05:59:57 Western Digiital Design Center makes the chips and sells a computer called the Mensch 06:00:04 --- quit: jewel (Connection timed out) 06:00:07 65c816 06:00:26 but code word of 6502 in Forth maybe is easier 06:00:55 you mean write the 6502 in my forth? 06:01:07 ya 06:01:08 yah 06:01:13 that might be interesting 06:01:26 an undecippherable code to anyone but me llol 06:01:36 it can directer run 6502 asm :) 06:01:38 copy protection ) 06:02:08 yeah I could write the assembler words first 06:02:24 then the instruction code 06:02:56 hoo 06:03:09 and dissassembler and editor 06:03:26 right now I shell out to nano for editor 06:03:28 forth can do it easy 06:04:12 I would have to add some memory allocation word easy though 06:04:25 maybe,we can implent Perl6 in forth,lol 06:04:26 64k byte code / data space 06:04:40 - about 1K for i/o sim 06:05:35 1 PIO for stdin 1 PIO for stdout 1 PIO for stderr then a simulated disk 06:05:53 or flash 06:06:20 It'll make dev 6502 program easier with forth I think 06:07:02 would you beliieve I wrote the first vesion of my assembler in HEX on a TTY 06:07:08 code once run anywhoer 06:07:23 HEX... 06:07:36 6502 opcodes in hex yeah 06:07:39 @_@ 06:07:42 hand assemble 06:07:50 lol 06:08:16 made big mistake though I didn't erase the memory before I started ti made it very confusing 06:09:15 we ended up bying another verstion from a TIM MOSER and he later releasted a better one 06:09:22 with macros 06:10:05 so mine that I wrote didn't really work as advertised but it did work 06:10:21 it had a simplified syntax 06:10:48 you know so much 06:10:57 LDAK 00 was lda @$00 06:11:13 the fourth letter was addressing mode 06:11:41 but the goverment says I'm crazy so I can't work lol 06:11:56 I think the government miliitary was nuts 06:12:09 - - 06:12:14 hoho 06:12:24 I am 100 percent disable Veteran of Navy 06:12:25 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-166-102.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 06:13:13 the load immediate should be : lda #$00 06:13:29 not @ 06:14:12 so they pay me now $2600 usd per month 06:14:26 not bad for 4 1/2 years work to retire on that 06:14:27 lol 06:16:36 I only got about $850 a month back in 77-82 when I was in 06:16:38 Gotta pay taxes on that $2600? 06:16:42 nope 06:16:45 Sweet. 06:17:18 my home is paid for my car is paid for no debts ... some bad credit but it willl dissappear in a few years 06:17:42 my mom manages my money for me 06:18:08 because VA says I'm financially incompetent. also no guns alllowed lol 06:18:12 They *have* certified you as nuts. 06:18:39 Do we want to know why the VA says this? 06:18:40 yes paranoid schizoophrenic 06:18:50 a head injruy in 1981 06:18:59 6 month psych hospital 06:20:00 the head injury was the cause... I was doing well before that 06:21:31 so I bought the domain name SchizophrenicProgrammer.info GoDaddy rep had a luagh about that 06:22:14 I kind of use it for offisite backups 06:22:30 and picture page 06:22:34 and the store 06:23:58 .... 06:24:22 gentoo is stilll bulding gcc but I think its in the gcc librarry part now 06:25:11 :) 06:25:49 no its actually doiing glibc now 06:26:03 I will have an entirely rebuilt system before I get kde done lol 06:26:58 at least it will oall be optimized for my chip 06:28:50 I'm going to restart my music player and get some more coffee .... 06:29:00 * bogen is a former gentooer 06:29:29 hoho 06:30:04 yeah, that 0.01% increase in performance to really worth those days it takes to install and hours it takes to install packages and do updates.... ;) 06:30:24 I have made my user in the audio group but I have not logged out yet so for audio to work I have to do : su - user 06:30:54 I have lots of time 06:31:05 sit all day every day lol 06:31:33 :) 06:31:47 lol 06:33:59 any way with the psychotropic drugs I have to take most companies would not hire me just for that. Heck one company wouldn't even hire anyone who smoked tobaccor 06:35:28 hwi 06:35:29 hi 06:36:24 I've tried just about every other distro -- the ones that use precompiled packages can get into unsoluble situtations with dependenciies 06:37:29 gentoo work well 06:38:04 I use debian-like distro 06:38:12 in my only other job I was a VAX system admin/programmer/operator/tech writer/ and trainer 06:38:34 RDB rally C 06:38:45 vms 06:39:34 wrote a package called RIS for READ Informatin System for the Houston READ Commission 06:39:35 VMS... 06:39:57 I have the VMS hobbyist kit for alpha tried it but it was slower than linux 06:40:57 and I couldn't get PHP to install 06:41:14 broken install script from Compaq 06:42:05 READ Commssion is 713 228 1801 admin office 06:42:22 they do Adult LIteracy /ESL in Houston 06:42:28 a non profit 06:42:38 so they didn't pay a whole llot lol 06:54:55 well glibc is in install mode now 06:56:43 gentoo is great for spent time 07:06:22 glibc is instlaled only 2 packages left in the emerge --newuse world 07:07:05 I'm just sitting here liistening to my music files anyway 07:07:58 making music mix tapes from internet radio stream is a great time waster too lol 07:08:15 I have made 2 so far my car only has cassette tape 07:08:22 3 tapes tha is 07:10:19 U have a Baby goats ? 07:11:20 black and white,a panda 07:11:25 lol 07:11:38 there are only 3 goats left here now 07:11:49 we gave most of the babies away 07:12:12 now have 117 system packages to re-install :) 07:13:02 I'll be wating the rest of the day if I don't go to sleep and wait on iit 07:13:05 The 9 dollar solution. lol 07:13:18 sound interesting 07:13:24 I think that was a scam I need to take it otu 07:13:25 out 07:13:44 it was a lead generation system for Shaklee inc. 07:14:09 got no lead from it anyway 07:14:34 thanks for noticing so I can fix it 07:17:13 do you have a windows system? 07:17:21 yah 07:17:23 as well as linux? 07:17:49 ssh to a host on XP 07:18:01 www.paltalk.com has a great video/voice/text chat system with lots of nice people on it. I hang out in the Health arreas as rssnow 07:18:03 ssh to a linux host on XP 07:18:35 you can use webcam, text, and talk 07:18:43 private rooms or gorups 07:18:50 groups 07:19:15 basic is free 07:19:21 I pay to turn off the ads 07:19:36 :) 07:19:42 39.00 a year is cheap 07:19:49 for no annoying ads 07:19:58 irc is better 07:20:02 yeah 07:20:09 but these people don't know about irc 07:20:19 I have met some of them in real life 07:20:28 we use QQ in china 07:20:38 yah 07:20:48 talked on phone to more 07:21:07 phone too,sure 07:21:08 one lady bought a couple things from my online store too 07:21:22 nice 07:21:29 digicam 07:21:52 she was happy with the camera 07:22:00 I think I sould start my online bussines 07:22:30 sell heli and anyothers 07:22:34 I think I should start a hosting business I have 250 GB drive for my var parttiton 07:22:57 yah,you can 07:22:58 could upgrade to terabyte if I ever needed it 07:23:23 we can start at Taobao.com 07:23:32 it's free 07:23:46 http://Taobao.com 07:24:05 yah,in chinese 07:24:07 :( 07:24:11 hoho 07:24:32 you'll have to do the typing in Chinese lol 07:24:35 ebay like site in china 07:24:39 cool 07:24:50 I have a dropsipper for us products shiipping 07:24:56 dropshipper 07:25:08 but no chinese product import 07:25:28 hoho 07:25:58 I'll sell hobby heli 07:26:42 my store script is only a few files. index.php dispcat.php dispcat3.php dispcat3a.php dispcat4.php admin.php uses XML product database and a directtory of proudct images 07:26:56 links to Paypal shop cart 07:27:41 http://www.taobao.com/ 07:27:45 I am going to write a little Ebook about it on Open Office 07:27:58 It's bigger than ebay 07:28:24 I saw a flying thing on TV here it had flappig wings like a bird it was cool 07:28:46 RC too 07:29:09 hoho 07:29:41 m,aybe I sell the Ebook on CD on Ebay to get people to come to my site for support ;) 07:30:00 :) 07:30:10 good idea 07:30:14 with the source code of course 07:30:48 yah,open source is nice 07:31:09 its php you pretty much have to giive the source. . 07:32:05 24 of 117 system packages this might not take too long ;) 07:32:55 going to say morning to Mom 07:34:11 got voicemail 07:34:20 let it run 07:34:44 its running on tty2 07:35:22 you do it on 4way-alpha? 07:35:35 now I am on the x86_64 07:35:55 the alpha already got kde done 07:36:19