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00:22:55 <proteusguy> limiting words to 4 chars should help. what threading style is foerthchen?
00:23:58 <slava> why do you want a forth in 1kb?
00:24:22 <proteusguy> i think its just a curiostity - not a requirement.
00:27:07 <gogonkt> slava: you mean this ? http://barker.linguistics.fas.nyu.edu/Stuff/Iota/
00:29:54 <gogonkt> a litlle bit curiostity and attiny13 only 1k flash
00:37:08 <JasonWoof> anybody got IE7?
00:37:16 <JasonWoof> if so please test this page for me: http://test.jasonwoof.com/about.html
00:37:37 <gogonkt> only IE6
00:41:03 <JasonWoof> I hope it works. I've got ie6 running under wine
00:41:25 <JasonWoof> I read somewhere that ie7 is tricky to get running under wine so I haven't bothered
00:42:09 <JasonWoof> in june (the only month I checked) only 16% of my visitors had ie6
00:42:52 <JasonWoof> enough so I had to make it work, but few enough that I know most people will get the slicker view
00:43:21 <JasonWoof> I used a little hack to use some alternate CSS and PNGs for ie 5.5 and 6
00:44:04 <JasonWoof> those browsers don't do PNG alpha or position: fixed
00:44:36 <JasonWoof> ie6 on my machine didn't seem to accept "height: 100%" either, and that's the thing that worries me... dunno if ie7 does
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04:03:55 <gogonkt> :)
04:06:58 <qFox> jasonwoof in case you read the logs, it works ;) and you can try ietester, dunno how well that works under wine.
04:18:55 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: hm. i actually would need forth to be less than 1kb in order for it to run on my new computer :P
04:19:02 <ENKI-][> that'd be ram though
04:19:09 <ENKI-][> flash can be 16kb
04:19:15 <ENKI-][> (harvard architecture)
04:20:41 <proteusguy> I made a pseudo-forth ('opcodes' rather than text words) for a HERO-1 robat back in '86 on the 6809 that was right at 1k. You running an Atmel?
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04:32:49 <gogonkt> HERO-1?
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04:40:11 <proteusguy> Hero-1 was an old Heathkit project. 
04:42:06 <gogonkt> :)
04:45:38 <gogonkt> ET-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HERO_(robot)
04:45:40 <gogonkt> hoho
04:57:17 <proteusguy> yep that's the one... wow - old memories seeing that thing. :)
04:57:42 <proteusguy> I think we had 32k though. I recall we got the arm and some other upgrade.
05:00:29 <gogonkt> hoho
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08:14:26 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: mine is going to be atmega16-based
08:14:38 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: i have some schematics and nearly all the parts
08:15:20 <proteusguy> ENKI-][: sounds interesting. what kind of device? i like atmel's stuff.
08:15:34 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/avrmachine-simple-big.png
08:15:41 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: much simplified schematic
08:15:59 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: i'm planning to do chording with the hex keypad
08:16:40 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: btw, yeah, it's super-messy
08:18:04 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: it should just be direct lines from pins 1-8 and 14-19 of the avr to pins 1-16 of the lcd and from pins 40-34 of the avr to pins 1-7 of the keypad
08:18:21 <ENKI-][> er
08:18:25 <ENKI-][> 3-16 rather
08:18:39 <ENKI-][> 1 and 2 of the lcd are power
08:18:50 <ENKI-][> and should take from the same source as 10 and 11 of the avr (not shown)
08:20:03 <proteusguy> so what's the keyboard layout? this for special purpose functionality?
08:20:31 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: the keyboard is just a hex keypad. i ripped it from a junked alarm system
08:20:40 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: but i'll work out a chording arrangement
08:21:00 <ENKI-][> probably chording multiple rows within a column
08:21:20 <ENKI-][> should bring me up to 45 potential characters
08:22:10 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: but this is what you get for trying to build a wearable computer while entirely broke
08:22:44 <proteusguy> :P yes - either have time or money (or neither) - never both.
08:22:54 <snowrichard> my son watches this show on Nickelodion where the kid has a computer monitor in his glesses
08:23:26 <gogonkt> I have a arduino that contain atmega88
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08:24:56 <gogonkt> ENKI-][: there are amforth.sf.org an run on atmega
08:25:16 <gogonkt> /an/can
08:27:00 <ENKI-][> gogonkt: i came across a couple forth implementations that can. the question is whether or not i can easily hack one of them for the lcd and kb support <_<
08:27:44 <gogonkt> wrote your own code :)
08:28:08 <gogonkt> hoho
08:30:09 <ENKI-][> i can. but i haven't actually coded in forth much, and i have heard that it's much better to write a forth once you have coded a lot of stuff *in* forth
08:32:41 <proteusguy> ENKI-][: definitely play with an existing forth and get an understanding before writing your own. also read Brody's intro to forth and Thinking Forth so you don't write some other language in forth.
08:32:44 <gogonkt> me too :(
08:33:23 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: okay :-)
08:33:50 <proteusguy> but doing trial & error work on new hardware - i can't imagine a better environment.
08:34:56 <gogonkt> Im palying with Dragonforth on palm and gforth on pc
08:34:57 <gogonkt> hoho
08:36:53 <proteusguy> gogonkt & ENKI-][ where are you two living presently?
08:37:51 <gogonkt> guangzhou china 
08:38:37 <proteusguy> gogonkt: ah i have friends in Foshom City and live in Bangkok myself. All kinds of good cheap electronics there - why playing on palm's still?
08:39:27 <gogonkt> i have one
08:39:42 <gogonkt> It's handy
08:40:11 <gogonkt> NoteBook a little hevy
08:41:20 <proteusguy> I have one of those little Asus EEEPc-901s. I'd like to turn it into a self-hosted forth with no other os. Also would like to play with some AtMel hardware as well or move it to cell phones I have.
08:42:08 <gogonkt> Tai?
08:42:35 <gogonkt> hoho
08:42:52 <gogonkt> U can run ForthOS on PC
08:43:56 <proteusguy> Actually I'm American but have moved here to start a development group two years ago.
08:44:17 <foxLaptop> self-hosted is cool!
08:44:18 <ENKI-][> proteusguy: USA, east coast.
08:44:40 <proteusguy> Lived in Atlanta for 11 years before moving here. 
08:46:02 <gogonkt> oh
08:46:24 <gogonkt> Atlanta Hawk
08:46:30 <gogonkt> :)
08:46:39 <ENKI-][> http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/avrmachine-simple-big-hicontrast.png
08:49:23 <proteusguy> So we get hired mainly to build web services in python/django or client software in C++. Only play with forth. How do you all make your money?
08:56:34 <gogonkt> wow
08:56:39 <ENKI-][> i'm a student <_<
08:56:56 <foxLaptop> i'm a teacher >_>
08:57:39 <gogonkt> I fired my boss >_<
08:58:26 <foxLaptop> lol
09:00:50 <foxLaptop> time to sleep, nite
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09:43:23 <JasonWoof> ok, new site design active: http://jasonwoof.com/
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10:10:56 <gogonkt> webdesigner?
10:15:27 <qFox> JasonWoof> looked fine in ie7, the toher thing anyways
10:15:39 <qFox> this one likewise
10:15:50 <qFox> bit purpleish perhaps ;)
10:17:07 <qFox> oh and small on wide screens, especially with no menu left or right
10:17:18 <qFox> but that's just taste so dont listen to that :p
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10:41:49 <JasonWoof> qFox: thanks for the feedback on my site design :)
10:42:02 <qFox> np
10:42:07 <JasonWoof> looks great at 1024 wide
10:42:21 <qFox> oh, try 1600
10:42:22 <JasonWoof> on my gf's macbook air it looks very narrow
10:42:39 <JasonWoof> the screen is higher resolution, so it makes it look narrower
10:42:46 <qFox> i use something like this: http://cbc.qfox.nl
10:42:46 <JasonWoof> I may make a left menu
10:43:10 <qFox> which is wide enough not to look narrow on widescreen but small enough not to be annoying while reading
10:43:23 <qFox> of course, i'm not a designer, i'm a technical coder :p
10:43:30 <qFox> so what do i know
10:45:18 <qFox> oh yeah, and you can google for something called ietester
10:45:27 <qFox> but i dont know whether it will run under wine
10:45:43 <qFox> it got dlls and stuff for ie5.5 6 and 7 (and 8beta)
10:45:44 <JasonWoof> I may just scale up my site at some point
10:46:03 <qFox> so you can test under those browsers, up to a certain point
10:59:47 <proteusguy> gogonkt: "fired your boss" wow good for you. this is unusual to hear from Chinese. ;) So what you doing now?
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11:01:39 <gogonkt> :)
11:01:57 <gogonkt> nothing
11:02:07 <gogonkt> play heli
11:02:40 <proteusguy> oh i thouhgt you started your own biz... so what did you do when you were employed? are you a coder?
11:03:03 <gogonkt> hoho
11:03:05 <gogonkt> no
11:03:29 <proteusguy> assemble electronics in factory? :P
11:04:25 <gogonkt> learning forth for hobist,hoho
11:05:16 <proteusguy> i see... well interesting tech to know. good luck with it.
11:05:39 <gogonkt> I think spending money and no making ...
11:07:17 <gogonkt> Hope could making it on Forex makect this year final. :)
11:07:54 <proteusguy> haha you have interesting choices to be sure.
11:08:50 <gogonkt> got money I mean
11:10:14 <gogonkt> Forex made me pressure
11:11:31 <gogonkt> sorry for my english :)
11:12:18 <gogonkt> It cant cautch my mind
11:18:38 <qFox> thats ok
11:18:44 <qFox> what is Forex?
11:20:47 <proteusguy> Foreign Exchange Futures - currency trading.
11:21:20 <proteusguy> 80% of people who trade futures lose money. :) Gotta know what you're doing.
11:21:31 <gogonkt> yes
11:22:03 <proteusguy> So you trade before? I've developed trading systems and tools but never traded personally.
11:22:20 <gogonkt> but I should be 20% or 10%
11:22:40 <gogonkt> wow
11:22:49 <gogonkt> trading system
11:23:10 <proteusguy> yes - I think it pays better to write the systems than to actually trade. ;)
11:23:21 <proteusguy> actually i just found that part more interesting...
11:23:45 <gogonkt> maybe about 15 years about trade stock and forex
11:23:56 <gogonkt> hoho
11:24:15 <proteusguy> ah cool... so maybe you'll hire me to build you a system some day! ;)
11:25:04 <gogonkt> yes, write system more interesting than trade
11:25:19 <gogonkt> Its a hard works
11:25:28 <proteusguy> yes but quite fun.
11:25:36 <gogonkt> sure,I will
11:26:00 <gogonkt> boring and hard
11:26:15 <proteusguy> not boring at all to me. i quite enjoyed it.
11:26:44 <gogonkt> I donno what heppen next minut :)
11:27:41 <gogonkt> Trade is boring and hard
11:28:50 <proteusguy> You ever read "Market Wizards" by Jack Schwager? You won't find it boring then. Of course be careful cause you will want to trade. ;)
11:29:35 <qFox> i'd like to write a simple small tradebot that takes microprofits and give it 100 bucks and let it run wild on currency
11:29:36 <qFox> :p
11:29:45 <gogonkt> It's interesting in fact :)
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11:30:21 <proteusguy> $100 isn't enough to open up an account that can profit. trade costs will eat you alive. you gotta have money to make money in that field.
11:31:02 <qFox> yeah i know nothing about it :p
11:31:06 <gogonkt> trade system need lot of money
11:31:25 <proteusguy> Used to be (in the 90s when I did this) you needed $25-50,000 to control your risk. Today maybe you can get away with a little under $10k.
11:31:33 <qFox> but it seems to me like a micro profit system could function pretty well on its own
11:32:03 <proteusguy> qFox - transaction costs will ensure your broker gets the profit not you.
11:32:15 <qFox> whats the average transaction cost?
11:32:43 <qFox> and how automated is the system anyways?
11:32:50 <qFox> can i hook a program up?
11:33:01 <qFox> or is it still some kind of manual labor
11:33:06 <proteusguy> There is no average. Depends totally on your account. If you have enough money in your account then you can get certain types of transactions for almost free. But a regular account through a broker might cost you $7-$40 per trade.
11:33:20 <qFox> right
11:33:22 <proteusguy> You can be totally 100% automated now if you want.
11:33:39 <qFox> why do automated trades still cost so much money then?
11:33:53 <qFox> i mean, i _know_ the transaction by itself costs virtually nothing
11:33:57 <proteusguy> Cause the broker is giving you a service. Its how they make their money.
11:34:16 <qFox> they'd make a lot of money the way i had in mind then
11:34:17 <qFox> ohwell
11:34:24 <proteusguy> Unless your a member of the exchange (BIG TIME MONEY) then you have to pay a fee to trade.
11:34:50 <qFox> but the trades itself are free, i asume?
11:35:02 <proteusguy> qFox: There are a lot of people doing NASDEQ lvl2 trades like what you describe but you need a sizable account to make it worth while.
11:35:02 <qFox> or is it the same...
11:35:19 <qFox> sizable being the 10-24k you mentioned?
11:35:28 <proteusguy> Trades aren't free but their cost diminishes as a percentage of the action when you get certain types of accounts.
11:35:43 <proteusguy> Probably - I haven't looked at it for a while.
11:35:57 <qFox> hm, might be fun to play with at some point
11:36:07 <gogonkt> hoho
11:36:18 <qFox> i dont mind a bot doing lowrisk micro profits on its own
11:36:30 <proteusguy> :) Its a more liquid and acceptable form of gambling.
11:37:17 <gogonkt> automatic trading not so really for personally
11:37:20 <proteusguy> To me, figuring out the game and modeling it is interesting. Actually playing is boring as hell. :)
11:37:27 <qFox> i just kind imagined giving it 100 or 200 bucks and letting it run for a while, doing "safe bets" and small quick profits and seeing how it would do in a month or so :p
11:37:47 <qFox> it'd be programming the bot and learning it to trade that's interesting
11:37:53 <qFox> the rest idc about, i guess
11:38:03 <proteusguy> You'd lose money. You need enough to trade at least a full contract to do that. Partial contract trades are very expensive.
11:38:21 <qFox> yeah like i said, i havent got the foggiest on how things work
11:38:34 <proteusguy> Depending on what you're trading contracts are anywhere from $2k - $10k each.
11:38:52 <qFox> i would just buy some currency when its going up, wait a few points and sell. no semantics whatsoever
11:38:59 <proteusguy> qFox: Go read that book I just mentioned. Its quite entertaining and will give you a sense of things.
11:39:03 <qFox> but things may not work like that at all :p
11:39:11 <qFox> nah, i havent got time for this game yet
11:39:22 <qFox> i will in a few months, maybe then.
11:39:45 <qFox> till then i'll have to get my bachelors diploma, no bets there ;)
11:39:58 <proteusguy> qFox: What happens when your currency goes down instead? When do you get out? These things go up and down constantly. Go look at some charts and you quickly find its hard to know when to get out or stay in.
11:40:22 <qFox> i dont know how fast it fluctuates, i'd have to observe it and find small patterns in it
11:40:40 <qFox> i dont know whether ten units up or down is a lot or not
11:40:41 <gogonkt> proteusguy: but I think,that is better learn from makect is better than from a book.
11:40:41 <proteusguy> Currencies are the most liquid and fastest moving things to trade.
11:40:46 <qFox> or whether its more like 100, or 5
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11:40:54 <qFox> or what a single unit is anyways :p
11:41:15 <proteusguy> The book I mention is just interviews of top traders. Doesn't tell you how to trade. You're right - REAL experience is the ONLY way to understand it.
11:41:18 <qFox> well it makes it easy for bots, i think
11:41:35 <gogonkt> :)
11:41:37 <qFox> ahwell. i'll check it out later. by the sound of it, its a little too far to reach for me for now
11:41:44 <qFox> with the trading fees and all
11:42:02 <qFox> not surprising though
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11:42:08 <proteusguy> Like I said - I've never executed a trade. But that book is a fun read. Probably re-read it every few years.
11:42:25 <proteusguy> Its a rich man's game. ;)
11:42:28 <gogonkt> Makect will make you crase in fact
11:42:31 <qFox> aye, it is
11:42:38 <gogonkt> crasy
11:42:43 <gogonkt> crazy
11:42:46 <qFox> yeah
11:42:48 <qFox> i'm sure
11:42:50 <proteusguy> nuts even! :)
11:42:57 <gogonkt> hoho
11:43:00 <qFox> but i wont be going on the tour. my challenge is to write a bot
11:43:04 <qFox> it'd be a game for me
11:43:16 <gogonkt> :)
11:43:27 <gogonkt> sure,it more interesting
11:43:33 <proteusguy> that's the correct approach. treat it as a game. take it too seriously or personally and you will lose.
11:44:14 <gogonkt> but I enjoy the game sice 15~16 years old
11:44:41 <gogonkt> since
11:44:41 <proteusguy> Wow early age. I didn't get involved til my mid 20s.
11:44:46 <qFox> yeah well, i wouldnt like to put a bot on $25k tbh. like i said, a few hundered bucks is fine
11:44:54 <qFox> if it fails, idc, if it succeeds, well yay
11:44:55 <proteusguy> hahaha
11:45:16 <gogonkt> :D
11:45:31 <qFox> ino ;)
11:45:37 <proteusguy> would be a fun time to be in currencies these days. its all going nuts. lots of people getting rich and lots losing their shirts.
11:46:06 <gogonkt>  lots losing
11:46:07 <gogonkt>                     their shirts.
11:46:07 <proteusguy> i need to reset this machine. brb...
11:46:08 <qFox> well the market is being pumped up with all the financial government funded infusions going on
11:46:13 <gogonkt> hoho
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11:46:54 <gogonkt> hoho
11:47:43 <gogonkt> usa broker lost made world crazy,lol
11:48:33 <gogonkt> Raymond brother :(
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11:49:23 <qFox> there's actually a (probably textbook) example of the market crazyness going on right now on the dutch market. one of the biggest dutch banks, so far untouched by the problems, suddenly lost 30% of its value because traders anticipated they'd ask for the 10billion government infusion. a selffullfilling prophecy because afterwards the bank had no option but to ask for it, and got it. the bank went back up 30%
11:49:59 <qFox> but my bot wouldnt know about that crap. just syntactically. see a market going up some points, jump in for some points and jump out. that's all
11:50:05 <qFox> simple ftw :D
11:50:56 <proteusguy> that's called "Technical Analysis". Most automated systems do just that.
11:51:16 <TreyB> qFox: I (along with others) wrote and sold a trend-following system for trading commodities in the late 80's.  Watch out for whip-saws.
11:52:12 <qFox> proteusguy> right, so if they are, why cant i. seems like a safe way to go
11:52:47 <qFox> TreyB> i'm asuming you mean something like a harmonica? steadily going up and then dropping down hard, over and over again?
11:52:53 <gogonkt> no safe way I think :(
11:52:54 <proteusguy> qFox: You certainly can (I have). But remember that there are thousands of people doing the same thing as you. You have to find an edge cause its a zero sum game in a trade.
11:53:09 <qFox> i realize that :)
11:53:24 <qFox> but my study is cognitive artificial intelligence. i should have an edge there ;)
11:53:45 <gogonkt> hoho
11:53:50 <qFox> (nah just joking, that study hardly helps at all in this respect)
11:53:50 <gogonkt> nice
11:53:56 <TreyB> qFox: You don't need large motions for whip-sawing; small ones will do.
11:54:03 <proteusguy> Profits are tied to risk. No risk means no profit. The challenge is how to identify perceived vs real risk so as to achieve profits that are actually less risky. These opportunities are never obvious.
11:54:11 <qFox> although a neural network would be interesting (and i'm sure nothing new)
11:54:23 <TreyB> qFox: Quite right, nothing new.
11:54:51 <qFox> proteusguy> aye but i'd just go for little profits. no hurries. i'd be happy with break-even :)
11:54:53 <proteusguy> done neural networks, baysian systems, monte carlo simulations - all that... they all have their places but are never a panacea.
11:55:04 <gogonkt> Neural? why dont KISS ?
11:55:04 <qFox> wasnt expecting it
11:55:20 <proteusguy> qFox - when you consider trade costs breaking even means you still lose. :( You have to pay to play.
11:55:24 <qFox> i am KISS, i'd just like to see how a nerual network performs :)
11:55:45 <gogonkt> o
11:55:52 <qFox> proteusguy> yep, that seems to be the biggest hump in my road for that idea :(
11:56:09 <qFox> luckily my heart wasnt set on this in the first place. it's just something i'd like to play with in the future 
11:56:20 <TreyB> You can almost always find a model that works for a period of time.  The trick comes in knowing when the model starts to fail.
11:57:09 <qFox> i wish i had the time and resources to prove myself in this field right now :p
11:58:04 <proteusguy> qFox: you need to get hold of a real-time feed and good historical data. then you can build a real-time modeling system and test it without cost. that's fun.
11:58:18 <TreyB> Indeed.  Lots of fun.
11:58:19 <gogonkt> a silver bullet finder :D
11:59:20 <gogonkt> how get forex data souce in forth?
11:59:22 <qFox> where would one get a realtime feed?
11:59:32 <qFox> i asume it comes with a price?
11:59:49 <gogonkt> yahoo finalQuest can do that
12:00:33 <qFox> that turns up nothing concrete when searching
12:00:37 <qFox> url?
12:01:15 <gogonkt> perl had a libs,but i dont know how to do that in forth
12:01:47 <proteusguy> these are all paid services (for real-time)... :P but as a student you might find a place that will share their access with you.
12:02:03 <gogonkt> http://search.cpan.org/~edd/Finance-YahooQuote-0.22/YahooQuote.pm
12:02:48 <gogonkt> Finance-YahooQuote in fact :)
12:02:57 <qFox> ok, thanks
12:03:27 <gogonkt> my ircbot can quote that
12:04:07 <gogonkt> http://www.google.cn/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=cpan+yahoo+finace
12:05:19 <gogonkt> 03:04 < gogonkt``> gbp usd
12:05:20 <gogonkt> 03:05 < Peele> GBP->USD:1.6947
12:06:40 <gogonkt> where is example to done that in forth?
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12:10:12 <gogonkt> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5244762.html
12:11:09 <gogonkt> can I write price to a file,,,and then forth read and push to stack?
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12:16:00 <proteusguy> hey - who brought this talk ontopic??! :)
12:16:21 <qFox> not me, i'm coding my assignment in java
12:16:33 <gogonkt>  /topic
12:17:34 <gogonkt> maybe me :)
12:17:37 <gogonkt> lol
12:19:11 <proteusguy> i've never done any significant data analysis in forth. always talking to devices and stuff. actions not data. 
12:19:50 <gogonkt> 02:05 < proteusguy> i see... well interesting tech to know. good luck with it.
12:19:50 <gogonkt> 02:05 < gogonkt> I think spending money and no making ...
12:19:50 <gogonkt> 02:07 < gogonkt> Hope could making it on Forex makect this year final. :)
12:19:50 <gogonkt> 02:07 < proteusguy> haha you have interesting choices to be sure.
12:20:24 <gogonkt> proteusguy: because you ask what Im doing :D
12:22:02 <gogonkt> proteusguy: see, but write script in forth seem easier than others
12:23:42 <gogonkt> I want wonder how forth work with other program
12:23:58 <proteusguy> gogonkt - oh i agree it sounds interesting. i've just never taken this approach. my forth work has always been self-contained.
12:24:21 <gogonkt> got it
12:25:15 <gogonkt> anyone can point a way for newbie?
12:25:33 <proteusguy> i think a multi-cpu forth environment that does distributed simulation and return results in a network array would be a very interesting project.
12:25:40 <proteusguy> but that's not a small project. :)
12:26:17 * qFox coughs seaforth
12:26:21 <proteusguy> gogonkt: i think your main task is making a good operational database to contain your data. 
12:26:27 <proteusguy> qFox - yep. :P haha
12:26:44 <qFox> 24 individual traders. hmmmm :p
12:27:16 <gogonkt> ...
12:28:19 <proteusguy> qFox - not traders.... simulators. a good system requires LOTS of rapid simulation to model risk exposure against the most recent data. you have to constantly re-simulate or you risk over training for your history.
12:28:25 <gogonkt> I had a bot done that,forth can call she to got price
12:28:53 <qFox> proteusguy> ah heck no. just 24 little traders :p
12:29:13 <proteusguy> hahaha now you can trade against yourself. :P
12:29:24 <qFox> damnit. why am i programming a BFS when i need DFS :s
12:29:32 <qFox> *wipe*
12:29:45 <gogonkt> hoho
12:30:57 <gogonkt> forth need new blood I think
12:31:20 * proteusguy needs more freetime (and money)
12:31:33 <gogonkt> sure
12:31:34 <gogonkt> lol
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13:35:47 <Quartus`> hi
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18:43:31 <Quartus`> Hi.
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19:45:44 <LOOP-HOG> hi
19:45:49 <LOOP-HOG> lo
19:50:18 <gogonkt> :)
19:51:30 <foxLaptop> hi
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