00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.10.20 00:24:51 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.44.33) joined #forth 00:43:42 :D hi all 00:43:56 Gunten Tag 00:43:57 hi 00:44:05 Tag 00:47:51 Dobryj denj. 00:49:54 Russian? 01:36:46 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/tor/x-ccc7158e859c5f2d) joined #forth 02:03:14 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 02:07:12 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 02:33:49 --- quit: nighty__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:40:24 --- quit: crc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:44:48 ASau: where can I found docs for DragonForth? 02:45:32 Nowhere. 02:45:42 I can answer almost any question though. 02:46:18 yah, I found your words at forthfreak 02:46:37 The project is abandoned. 02:46:50 ask u later,dinner first :) 02:47:00 There's no future for Palm, unfortunatly. 02:47:22 I install it on my sony clie sl10 02:47:39 doc less :( 02:47:56 Use the source. 02:48:45 I type "hello" and got some wrong msg :( 02:49:19 dinner time, CU 02:49:20 Ask me in a week, I'm leaving the city today. 02:49:32 oh 02:50:12 all right 03:18:25 back 03:18:45 ASau: " xxxx isn't uique " 03:18:59 the erre msg 03:23:27 "life" worked 04:26:28 --- quit: tgunr () 04:34:25 --- quit: jewel (Connection timed out) 04:54:11 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 05:18:01 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.44.33) joined #forth 05:18:22 hi 05:30:47 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 05:33:52 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/tor/x-8bd3f034749b875d) joined #forth 06:04:58 --- quit: ASau ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)") 06:06:34 --- join: pierre- (n=pierre@89.179.94.138) joined #forth 06:07:05 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-253-188.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 06:45:21 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:47:16 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-83-96-101.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:25:43 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 08:16:48 --- quit: tgunr () 08:36:06 um, what do you do after kill -9 when the process is still using 99% CPU? 08:36:20 running as my user 08:36:25 I tried killing it as root 08:36:30 it's still got the same pid 08:36:37 shows up in top as (R)unning 08:37:04 you try again, but with the correct pid 08:38:14 sometimes it helps to do kill -STOP first, esp. when your system is in swap hell or similar 09:03:09 --- quit: JasonWoof (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:10:53 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-65-96-160-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:10:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:36:22 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 09:40:10 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/tor/x-3b1dec30021783cb) joined #forth 10:02:29 can anybody recommend good forum software? 10:03:00 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-253-188.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 10:03:04 I want something that's easy to administer 10:03:27 phpbb is popular, but seems to really suck at keeping bots from registering 10:04:49 Discu! 10:06:44 Discus! 10:15:27 I don't have time to try them all... but I'll probably need to install one soon 10:24:03 use phpbb and customize the registration process a bit to throw bots off 10:24:34 use some obviously named input fields hidden an obscure css class 10:24:41 *by 10:24:46 works wonders 10:25:00 and you get to immediately ban drones 10:35:24 sounds good 10:35:30 there's probably tutorials on this 10:35:53 I like that phpbb is easy to install and familiar to people 10:36:43 if you go with phpbb, look for a stable stable version (if you just need a forum go with one of the earlier versions, most bugs will have been ironed out) and change the url structures so you wont have drones crawling your site testing for known phpbb vulns 10:37:45 i've had a simple index.php?a=5& ... structure for my website for about two years and i'm still stil drones testing for inclusion vulnerability for a= 10:38:14 i guess that once you're in the system, there's no way back. much like email and spam 11:25:42 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 11:50:26 --- quit: pierre- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:51:11 qFox: thanks, I'll make a note of that. 11:51:24 I never thought to change the URL scheme 11:58:13 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.8) joined #forth 12:04:27 yeah, it throws them off. they just google for the scheme (much like you can google for common mysql errors to try and exploit such sites) 12:55:13 --- quit: ygrek_ (Remote closed the connection) 13:27:48 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@adsl-224-84.eunet.yu) joined #forth 13:34:36 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:05:13 --- join: xjrn (n=jim@c-69-181-213-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 14:18:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 14:33:21 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:58:58 hm 14:59:30 considering there are forth environments for a variety of micros, how feasable might a wearable forth machine be? 15:02:43 --- quit: mark4 (Remote closed the connection) 15:04:56 --- quit: jewel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:10:38 --- quit: Maki_ ("Leaving") 15:33:18 Define "wearable". 15:43:56 TreyB: small enough to wear on the body 15:44:22 TreyB: i'm thinking of sewing it into my coat pocket and having a keypad in there, and a display elsewhere 15:44:31 http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/avrmachine-simple.png tentative design 15:47:47 obviously i'd have to implement something to let me use the keypad for ascii characters 15:47:50 maybe a chording setup 15:49:10 Depends on what you want it for, I guess. Modern hardware throws away more resources than even modest to large Forth environments require. 16:00:05 mm 16:00:20 i just feel like i'd enjoy having a wearable that i could actually use while wearing 16:00:32 and all my implementations thus far have not been usable for that 16:00:41 (mainly because i'm perpetually broke) 16:04:02 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@wsip-68-14-227-113.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 16:22:29 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 17:03:20 Heh: toys do require money :-) 17:06:55 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #forth 17:29:50 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 17:29:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 17:35:08 --- join: mark4_ (n=mark4@wsip-68-14-227-113.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 17:38:47 dwight you still there? 17:41:47 dwight - your probably going to need to use a sensor that supports rolling shutter but this has issues too... u shud really talk to mike :) 17:47:52 TreyB: luckily, i have nearly all the parts for this one. i'm waiting on a socket, a battery pack, and a replacement chip 17:49:08 --- quit: mark4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:57:41 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.44.33) joined #forth 18:26:07 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:27:58 --- join: sunwukong (n=salvi@ortros.den.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp) joined #forth 19:34:13 --- quit: ENKI-][ (Connection reset by peer) 19:40:49 --- join: ENKI-][ (n=weechat@c-71-234-190-248.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:41:39 --- join: bogen (n=dwight@cpe-76-183-127-51.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 19:41:55 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE001b115d994a-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:41:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:43:15 What did I miss? :) 20:49:42 nothing 21:38:55 --- join: pierre- (n=pierre@93-81-43-182.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 21:51:36 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@189.25.73.32) joined #forth 22:02:48 --- quit: sunwukong ("bye") 22:55:52 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 22:56:11 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 22:57:39 --- quit: pierre- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:23:03 Toying around with making a minimalistic self-hosted "forthette". Small code size and few asm primitives are priorities over speed or clever optimizations. Has anyone documented what would be the minimum word list required to build the rest of the environment on top of? Don't care about ANSI compatibility - very building block oriented here. 23:39:30 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_thread/thread/9406db226f433b1e 23:44:38 edrx: thanx for the pointer. interesting read. i don't need the ANS compatibility and 48 primitives sounds a little steep but its a good start. wonder what i can whittle it down to... 23:46:27 --- join: qFox (i=C00K13S@132pc222.sshunet.nl) joined #forth 23:47:23 at some point in some discussion in the last months 23:47:54 people started mentioning articles/texts/whatevers about the minimum number of primitives 23:48:24 maybe in that thread, maybe in some other... 23:48:55 Level Forth ? 23:49:08 yeah i've seen such threads in years gone by but never really saw a good conclusion or list result from it. was hoping some such list/definitions existed out there. 23:50:30 you only need two primitives 23:50:59 which 2? 23:51:17 http://tunes.org/~iepos/joy.html 23:51:20 :) well ok let me say, as a self-hosted forth, i need enough primitives to be able enter new words at a prompt. 23:53:26 if you drop the "self-hosted" and you code your Forth in a high-level language like Lua or Ruby then one primive will do... 8-) 23:54:07 but I'm not sure if I should mention that here or at c.l.f., it will sound like blasphemy :-) 23:54:10 not an option. will code the primitives in the target cpu's asm. 23:55:32 $ ./foerthchen 23:55:33 words 23:55:33 emit (.) bye word : ." dup drop swap >r r> + * /mod and or xor ( if( >if( )els els( ) -1 @ ! 23:56:08 Hellma's foeoerthchen 23:56:39 doer isn't required? 23:57:16 less than 1kbyte 23:58:04 now you're talking. :) very cool. 23:59:11 I looking for how many words sould I contain in less than 1kb 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.10.20