00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.10.17 00:06:45 --- quit: Quartus () 00:18:45 --- join: qFox (i=C00K13S@132pc222.sshunet.nl) joined #forth 00:34:44 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 02:01:03 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.160.88) joined #forth 02:01:12 hi 02:13:13 --- quit: ASau` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:21:44 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 03:08:38 --- join: ASau` (n=user@host157-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 03:16:18 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 04:05:21 --- quit: gogonkt ("leaving") 04:15:50 --- part: aguai left #forth 04:29:55 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.160.88) joined #forth 04:30:24 hi 04:31:46 --- join: gogonkt`` (n=info@124.64.18.85) joined #forth 04:32:55 hi 04:41:10 hi tathi 04:42:14 how's it going? 04:42:27 hehe 04:42:43 foxLaptop: ? 04:43:39 i am becoming understand rot . 04:43:54 by doing the excercises 04:44:01 in starting forth 04:44:03 :) 04:44:36 Riiight. 04:44:41 Have fun with that. :) 04:47:13 yes, sure 04:49:33 :D 04:53:58 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 05:03:04 Understanding Rot: http://rotten.com 05:03:05 :D 05:04:10 --- quit: foxLaptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:09:42 ASau, I drop my laptop down , so it was offline 05:09:52 rotten, is nice. hehe 05:10:28 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.160.88) joined #forth 05:16:20 --- quit: jewel (Connection timed out) 05:17:02 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 05:31:44 --- quit: nighty__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:06:36 --- join: pierre- (n=pierre@89-179-77-216.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 07:32:57 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-65-96-160-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:32:57 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 08:30:50 --- join: Michael_1707 (n=mdmorri1@wless0-154.dhcp.uno.edu) joined #forth 08:48:09 --- quit: JasonWoof (Remote closed the connection) 08:55:51 --- quit: ASau` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:06:26 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-65-96-160-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:06:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:11:33 --- quit: JasonWoof (Remote closed the connection) 09:12:24 --- join: Michael_1707_ (n=mdmorri1@wless0-154.dhcp.uno.edu) joined #forth 09:13:58 --- quit: Michael_1707 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:19:46 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-65-96-160-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:19:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:32:26 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 09:33:03 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 09:34:59 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 09:35:36 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 09:37:33 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 09:42:18 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 09:42:36 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.160.88) joined #forth 09:49:46 --- quit: Michael_1707_ () 09:51:48 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 10:31:55 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-81-117.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 10:32:08 hello 10:33:24 lo 10:34:55 LOOP-HOG: I'm still trying to find time for acweb. 10:35:21 Good evening, all. 10:35:55 good morning here :) 10:37:04 evening all. 10:37:07 hehe 10:37:07 Is there tomorrow already or today still? 10:37:34 my zone is 1:37 a.m. 10:37:34 it is the day after yesterday 10:38:07 Japan? 10:38:16 China 10:46:47 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@wsip-68-14-227-113.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 10:50:27 --- quit: jewel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:52:58 --- join: jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-143-202.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #forth 10:54:41 howdy 10:56:00 hi 10:56:06 Asau, I think that i am being pulled off to a different direction, but why not put up some documentation 10:56:20 gogonkt``: good nite 10:56:37 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 11:01:50 --- join: snowrichard_ (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 11:02:19 --- quit: snowrichard_ (Client Quit) 11:13:50 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202037181.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 11:23:34 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@adsl-224-84.eunet.yu) joined #forth 12:00:28 --- quit: pierre- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:17:34 --- quit: forther (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:22:25 --- join: Baughn_ (n=svein@084202037181.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 12:22:51 --- quit: Baughn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:38:09 --- nick: Baughn_ -> Baughn 12:58:39 --- quit: Baughn ("leaving") 12:59:04 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202037181.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 13:32:51 slava you awake? 13:32:55 jeah 13:33:23 An I/O error occurrede (http://mir1.ovh.net/sourceforge/jedit-plugins/......... 13:33:34 i get that every time i try to install a plugin bah 13:33:38 try a different mirror in the plugin manager 13:33:57 click 'download options' 13:33:58 erm i dont seem to have ANY mirrors IN there 13:34:02 then 'update mirror list' 13:34:03 yea im in there 13:34:06 yup. did taht 13:34:19 it takes a little while to get the list 13:34:22 oh. i never pressed apply :/ 13:34:41 i don't work on jedit anymore fwiw 13:34:43 no i got the list. i figured the highlighted mirror would be auto selected. neve saw the "apply" button lol 13:34:45 there's a new set of maintainers 13:34:49 either click apply or ok 13:34:53 i figured there would be :) 13:35:19 didn't know you used jedit, i thought you used joe or wordstar or something like that :) 13:35:39 i use joe 13:35:53 jedit is toooooooooooo complex :P 13:36:32 and buggy 13:38:16 but this is a work machine and i need an editor that is more what everyone else here is used to :/ 13:41:00 notepad? 13:41:04 do you USE jedit still? 13:41:17 erm no. they are slightly more advanced than that :) 13:41:45 i do but i'm not too happy with it sometimes 13:42:01 at least jedit is better than notepad 13:42:40 not happy with the way the new developers are implementing it or just not happy with it in general? 13:43:20 mostly the former 13:43:34 they're adding new features when they should be fixing bugs 13:44:52 yea i just clicked on the pick a color thing for the background color and its a blank window 13:47:36 close it and re open fixes there but now i am trying to mod the syntax highlighting and i cant get ANY item in there to pop up a non blank window to pick a color 13:54:22 mark4: write an editor in isforth :) 13:54:28 i'd use it probably 13:54:37 if its simple and uses sane keybindings 13:57:06 ive written an editor in isforth hehe - its a block editor tho :/ 13:57:58 ive thought about writing an editor for isforth tho - but i would have to use /dev/console to get the key presses and thats a big nono and doesnt work in X 13:58:31 why not use your ncurses stuff? 14:02:35 Or another "vi" with separate modes. :D 14:04:54 --- join: Michael_1707 (n=mdmorri1@wless0-079.dhcp.uno.edu) joined #forth 14:10:11 --- quit: LOOP-HOG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:16:40 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-81-117.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 14:17:38 --- quit: Michael_1707 () 14:47:30 --- quit: Maki_ ("Leaving") 15:09:35 --- quit: LOOP-HOG () 15:42:23 --- quit: jewel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:24:40 slava ncurses doesnt tell me key up / key down events. also. what if i want to use control x for something or control c etc etc 16:25:03 problem with termin io in nix is that the OS can steal keys. the terminal can steal keys, the window manager can steal keys 16:25:34 and theres no rhyme nor reason as to which keys are stolen by the os, term, wm 16:25:36 then use a gui toolkit 16:25:45 for any given one of them. 16:25:46 control-combinations are usually safe 16:25:52 erm. cant 16:26:05 use raw x11 :) 16:26:22 will NOT tap into /usr/lib/suberbloat.lib and dont have any way to do so 16:26:32 that's a self-imposed limitation 16:26:33 ive been trying to get hold of a copy of the X protocol for years 16:26:44 there are extensive docs online 16:27:05 i need physical 16:27:15 specially when it comes to something as complex as the X protocol 16:27:24 and i cant tie myself to X either 16:27:24 i think you're subconciously avoiding working on anything by putting up artificial barriers every time a potential solution comes up 16:27:39 no 16:27:45 writing x86 assemblers, calling gui toolits, etc is not exactly rocket science 16:27:55 but you'd rather not write code so you complain about non-issues instead 16:28:22 as we speak i'm prearing a 10-minute screencast where i make a web browser in factor using the cocoa api 16:28:26 35 lines of code 16:28:44 complain about bloat all you want, but when it comes to getting results done, writing code goes further than complaining 16:29:25 whatever 16:42:11 hehe 17:20:06 --- join: foxLaptop (i=flash@221.220.160.88) joined #forth 17:29:49 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 18:33:40 --- join: Michael_1707 (n=mdmorri1@adsl-150-2-169.aby.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 19:12:18 --- join: Michael_1707_ (n=mdmorri1@adsl-150-2-169.aby.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 19:17:32 --- quit: Michael_1707_ () 19:36:14 --- quit: Michael_1707 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:54:51 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 20:00:57 --- quit: gogonkt`` ("leaving") 20:25:12 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 20:48:34 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 20:52:13 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.169.182.169) joined #forth 20:52:27 hello 21:00:50 hi 21:16:22 hi 21:52:11 --- quit: foxLaptop ("leaving") 22:25:24 --- join: bogen (n=dwight@cpe-76-186-25-91.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:27:19 --- join: llama_ (n=llama@adsl-065-013-110-144.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 22:27:24 --- part: llama_ left #forth 23:04:06 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-e7917efb92bf314f) joined #forth 23:46:12 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@97-115-81-117.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 23:48:32 --- quit: bogen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:52:26 --- quit: foxes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:54:54 --- part: Baughn left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.10.17