00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.10.03 00:18:37 --- join: qFox (i=C00K13S@132pc222.sshunet.nl) joined #forth 00:25:15 --- join: sunwukong (n=vukung@210-20-92-190.rev.home.ne.jp) joined #forth 01:31:34 --- nick: Malfermi1aKodo -> MalfermitaKodo 01:52:33 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:53:02 --- join: ASau (n=user@host39-231-msk.microtest.ru) joined #forth 02:53:37 --- join: lasts (n=lasts@77.207.25.109) joined #forth 02:58:26 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 05:26:02 howdy howdy 07:07:52 --- quit: nighty__ (Client Quit) 07:35:54 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:37:29 --- join: Malfermi1aKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-136-127.netcologne.de) joined #forth 07:49:04 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Success) 08:14:31 --- nick: Malfermi1aKodo -> MalfermitaKodo 08:32:32 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 08:32:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 08:33:51 --- quit: ramkrsna ("Leaving") 09:02:54 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 09:05:38 --- quit: sunwukong ("sleep") 09:41:38 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@wsip-68-14-227-113.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 10:13:07 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:23:02 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 10:28:53 --- quit: jonphilpott (Remote closed the connection) 10:42:12 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-65-96-160-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:42:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:42:32 JasonWoof: any progress with amd64? 10:45:27 seaforth is prtty exciting stuff. has anyone played around with Andy Valencia's ForthOS? 10:45:59 xjrn: I did. 10:46:06 But it is same eForth. 10:47:01 I attempted to build a moka5 image from ForthOS but it seemed to be slightly batteries-not-included at the time, this was a while ago. 10:47:32 xjrn: eForth is pretty minimal dialect. 10:47:44 It's not about batteries. 10:47:57 You're happy, if you don't need solder. 10:48:05 ASau: that was a metaphor to describe the state of installing ForthOS ontoa vm 10:49:17 Anyway, I don't think that that approach is viable. 10:50:06 ASau: nope 10:50:37 JasonWoof: sad. 10:50:48 JasonWoof: I don't have amd64 system. 10:51:11 JasonWoof: and in Sonnenberg's bulk builds gforth isn't listed in failed. 10:51:42 JasonWoof: by his own words, that means gforth builds fine. 10:51:46 yeah, it's a mistery to all 10:52:06 Thus, I'd say, join NetBSD :) 10:52:17 heh 10:52:48 I prefer installing binary packages most of the time 10:52:52 If you need linux, you can run it inside domu. 10:52:59 There're binary packages. :p 10:53:23 are they as primitive as FreeBSD's packages? 10:53:28 No. 10:53:41 pkgsrc is way better. 10:54:14 It was one of several reasons, why I moved to NetBSD in past. 10:54:55 And things became even better since then. 10:57:56 I'm not switching distros 10:58:27 next time I switch have to install linux, it might be debian, but I'll probably stick with ubuntu 10:58:37 I like using what most people are, so I can be very compatible 10:58:46 easier to get things working 10:59:21 I didn't notice, that debian is anything but conservative. 10:59:40 Way more conservative than NetBSD in userland. 11:00:26 And ubuntu doesn't fix that, it uses the same package set. 11:00:52 Maxima 5.10, when 5.15 is already the past, and so on. 11:03:01 i have built up a macports tree on my macbolok pro thats about 80% non-universal x86_64 bins. im running some kerenel experiements on gentoo64 to get real work done however 11:24:33 asau debian is famous for being behind the curve 11:24:48 xjrn i just upgraded my desktop to gentoo 64 :) 11:25:26 ubuntu is faster at updating than debian and is WAY easier to intall than debian 11:26:12 personally dont LIKE ubuntu but i can work with it more than i can debian and before switching to gentoo i used debian for about 8 years 11:31:04 I have never installed debian, I installed ubuntu once, and that was pain, 11:31:14 since I installed it for development, not for common use. 11:32:32 After spending 2 hours in attempts to figure out, how they 11:32:33 call ncurses, libXt, libXext and so on, I came to the 11:32:33 conclusion, that it is easier to me to setup cross-builds. 11:33:43 heh 11:34:10 well ive been installing fedora, ubuntu, debian, gentoo, ..., ..., ... inside vmware for my new job 11:34:20 ive STILL not got debian installed 11:34:32 i scrapped the idea of installing it in fact 11:34:59 i also failed to install debian with the first 3 attempts because i used their lame attempt at an automatic installer application 11:35:18 in the end i did it all by hand following the handbook and it worked nooo problem 11:35:30 use the gtk installer from the install cd and it wont boot afterwards 12:25:03 --- join: gogonkt`1 (n=info@222.131.38.176) joined #forth 12:43:51 --- quit: gogonkt`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:47:45 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@adsl-224-84.eunet.yu) joined #forth 13:05:04 im undecided what benefit i derive from gentoo these days other than familiairty. i *think* fedora is somehow less neglected than gentoo and less newb-infested than ubuntu 13:06:43 if you're doing any sort of kernel dependant development you almost have to stick with fedora or patch everything to use fc userspace code 13:45:38 kernel dev team uses mostly fedora? 13:52:51 --- quit: lasts ("Quitte") 13:54:54 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.8) joined #forth 13:55:41 my experience with kvm and cluster file systems says that what redhat (or anyone else) pays for ussually winds up in fedora first 13:57:37 i haven seen the alan cox kernel patches taper off, that may not be as big an nfluence these days 13:59:39 i'm doing freaky database adaptations with reiser4 right now with some very risky amounts of delayed writes, not rocket science but it takes a modicum of bravery and grub kno-how 14:00:04 and a livecd 14:01:04 --- quit: Maki_ ("Leaving") 14:46:25 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus`@74.198.12.3) joined #forth 14:46:25 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:48:32 xjrn: "haven"? 15:48:55 that's sufficiently mid-way between "have" and "haven't" that I don't want to guess 15:49:15 seems i'm getting me a drive after all :d 15:49:22 i have, sorry 15:49:38 (but since this chan is publicly logged i wont go into details for the moment ;) 15:49:38 huh 15:49:53 I know he's a big name 15:50:02 dunno his affiliations 15:50:13 who is "he" ? 15:50:30 < xjrn> i haven seen the alan cox kernel patches taper off, that may not be as big an nfluence these days 15:51:08 ah k 15:51:09 alan cox was one of the submitters upstream of the submitters for linux kernel 15:51:25 * qFox happy 15:51:26 * qFox sleep 15:51:28 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 15:51:30 pid by redhat too 15:51:40 paid 15:51:55 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:02:51 ahh that was the link 16:02:57 he stepped down eh? 16:04:04 when did you become canadian, eh? :) 16:10:36 still workin' on that 16:10:44 I like "eh?" 16:11:06 My aunt lives in the UP 16:11:29 saw her a couple weeks ago 16:12:25 there's a bumper sticker something like: "Da U P eh?" 16:17:03 How goes it otherwise? I seem to have been de-op'd. 16:19:52 Huh. So you do. Weird. 16:20:13 No clue why or, if by whom, by whom. 16:20:58 There's an entry in the access list for Quartus_ ... 16:21:05 hmm 16:21:25 much would then depend on me remembering the nick password for Quartus_ 16:21:36 that and $1.50 gets you a coffee up here. 16:22:12 hehe 16:22:23 --- quit: Quartus__ ("jmIrc destroyed by the OS") 16:23:50 Hmm. Looks like I might have permissions to change things. 16:25:16 But it seems to think Quartus and Quartus_ are the same person. 16:25:27 Ah, looks like you're not logged in. 16:25:27 hmm, odd. I'm authenticated as Quartus right now. 16:25:52 oh, maybe not. Something weird. I'm in as Quartus, but nickserv is saying the password is invalid for Quartus_ 16:26:08 Yeah, if I whois you it doesn't say you're authenticated. 16:26:25 I have no idea why these two ID's are cojoined 16:28:17 --- nick: Quartus -> Quartus_ 16:28:37 quartus your not able to op up? 16:28:46 oh. password related lol 16:29:02 --- nick: Quartus_ -> Quartus 16:29:17 brb 16:29:21 weird. Gives me an error about the *other* nick. 16:32:01 They must be grouped together. Though why it's suddenly behaving this way eludes me. 16:34:05 Ah. Quartus is a sub-account of Quartus_. This is not the way I set it up. 16:36:09 Anybody know who I appeal to for assistance in getting this sorted? 16:38:16 http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff 16:38:20 Thanks 16:42:39 So I message a freenode staffer... but I'm guessing they can't message me back, because I'm not logged in. 16:57:48 --- nick: Quartus -> Quartus_ 16:58:26 --- nick: Quartus_ -> Quartus 16:58:54 Ok. So I appear to have claim to the nick. tathi, would you have a look at the access list? 16:59:08 I may be absent from it as a result of the drop/re-register. 17:15:40 --- quit: Quartus () 17:15:52 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:16:58 --- nick: Quartus -> Quartus_ 17:17:04 --- nick: Quartus_ -> Quartus 17:39:42 --- nick: Quartus -> Quartus_ 17:39:45 --- nick: Quartus_ -> Quartus 18:01:21 ok, I'm back 18:02:48 And...I added you back in. 18:04:15 Quartus: you probably have to part/re-join for ChanServ to auto-op you. 18:22:34 Thank you. I'll try that. 18:22:36 --- part: Quartus left #forth 18:22:39 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:22:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 18:22:45 Et voila. Merci bien. 18:43:37 Any time. :) 19:05:54 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:26:54 --- quit: ASau (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19:26:56 --- quit: erg (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19:26:59 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 19:26:59 --- join: erg (n=erg@li13-154.members.linode.com) joined #forth 20:08:22 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:08:46 --- join: MalfermitaKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-131-216.netcologne.de) joined #forth 20:19:57 --- part: erg left #forth 20:29:35 --- quit: gogonkt`1 ("leaving") 20:37:09 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@CPE001d7e527f89-CM00159a65a870.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:07:21 --- quit: nighty^ (Excess Flood) 22:10:36 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 23:28:21 --- join: gogonkt`` (n=info@222.131.38.176) joined #forth 23:33:12 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote closed the connection) 23:33:48 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 23:56:05 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:56:56 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.10.03