00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.09.20 01:28:07 --- quit: slava ("leaving") 01:28:18 --- join: slava (n=slava@li13-154.members.linode.com) joined #forth 01:28:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 02:08:24 --- join: qFox (i=C00K13S@132pc222.sshunet.nl) joined #forth 03:39:46 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 03:40:12 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 03:44:52 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 03:45:38 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 04:17:59 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 04:19:15 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 04:25:38 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 04:32:38 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 04:45:37 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 04:46:29 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 04:58:01 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 04:59:03 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 07:43:17 --- join: Malfermi1aKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-132-246.netcologne.de) joined #forth 07:55:08 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:04:50 --- join: TreyB (n=trey@74.203.168.157) joined #forth 09:13:17 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@sub26-46.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 09:18:00 --- quit: iano (Client Quit) 10:19:27 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 10:19:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 10:19:51 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@adsl-224-84.eunet.yu) joined #forth 10:36:23 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 10:37:38 --- join: ASau (n=user@193.138.70.52) joined #forth 14:32:01 --- join: Pb (n=Pb@75.139.142.168) joined #forth 15:14:10 --- join: kspaans (i=kspaans@artificial-flavours.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 15:17:00 --- nick: Malfermi1aKodo -> MalfermitaKodo 15:29:24 --- quit: Maki_ ("Leaving") 16:15:27 has anyone here had success running figforth or pygmy under dosbox? 16:15:58 i've run pygmy on dosbox 16:16:03 ah 16:16:38 did you have to do anything other than drop pygmy into your mounted drive and run pygmy.com? 16:17:04 this is probably due to some dumb mistake... basic words like "bye" and "swap" aren't defined when I run it 16:17:35 try SWAP and BYE ? 16:17:55 oh lord 16:17:55 upper case 16:18:00 thank you so much 16:18:03 wow 16:18:06 no prob 16:18:17 I am not a child of the DOS age 16:18:21 btw, i hope you realize, pygmy is kind of ... old :) 16:18:48 I like old :D 16:19:36 I'm going through starting forth and want to use a forth that has an editor like the one described, though I'm sure gforth does but in some non-standard way 16:35:37 What you learn by going through sf w/an olde Forthe won't serve you spectacularly well. 16:39:35 what would you recommend (for linux), then? 16:39:55 gforth and a more modern tutorial. 16:40:29 ah 16:40:52 I have that and the book Programming Forth, which is more recent 16:41:35 else you'll just need to unlearn all of what is obsolete about Starting Forth and the tinker-toy Forths of old. 16:41:54 forth hasn't chagned much since the days of pygmy though 16:42:23 ah 16:42:47 -- the implementation details differ; it's not 16-bit only; nobody uses blocks or a block-editor, etc. 16:44:48 --- quit: Pb ("This computer has gone to sleep") 17:05:59 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=jasondam@75-175-31-153.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 17:08:50 do any of you guys ever use Forth for anything practical? 17:09:49 i use factor for a lot of things 17:10:10 cool 17:10:14 like what? 17:10:38 concatenative.org is my current project 17:11:17 I'm looking now 17:11:37 is that a Forth wiki? 17:11:59 its for stack languages in general 17:12:02 forth, factor, etc 17:12:13 :^) 17:12:23 Cat? 17:12:26 sure 17:12:27 I have used Forth for a few practical things 17:12:29 dc? 17:12:38 its meant to be a showcase of factor's web framework, including the ssl support 17:12:47 oh 17:12:52 factor is written in C? 17:13:06 it can call C libraries 17:14:16 I used Forth to gather the data from a dump of Turbolister and then rearange the data into a spreadsheet that could be output to Amazon.com 17:14:24 so it was converting products from EBay to Amazon 17:14:34 the big problem was Amazon's system actuall 17:14:37 actually 17:15:16 there is a bug in Amazon that if you put too many products into your Amazon account, then it will not show all of them in Seller Central 17:15:27 I didn't know if they actually took or not 17:16:20 Interesting. Why Forth, rather than, say, Snobol? Or MUMPS? 17:16:36 I know Forth, I don't know Snobol or MUMPS 17:16:48 Good reason. 17:17:05 Snobol is like Cobol I take it 17:17:11 MUMPS I never even heard of 17:17:23 MUMPS sounds like a disease. 17:17:25 Snobol and COBOL could hardly be more different, actually. 17:17:31 It is, arguably. 17:18:09 do you know these languages? 17:18:52 The former, somewhat; the latter, no. 17:19:06 Anyhow, we're getting off-topic. 17:20:01 gnomon, what do you use Forth fo? 17:20:03 for? 17:20:31 Only for playing. I and all of my creations are completely without practical applicability. 17:20:37 ok 17:20:52 I wrote a video game once, not very practical unless you could sell it for $$ 17:21:10 I keep my notes in a Forth program 17:21:19 it's like my own private log 17:21:32 writing a text editor in Forth is easy 17:21:49 writing a text editor in anything is hard 17:21:52 if you want it to have useful features 17:22:04 if it's a sucky text editor then it's easy 17:22:08 i spent 7 years on one 17:22:12 wow 17:22:34 mine can do Find, but it sucks because what you look for can't have white space in it 17:22:40 I could change it, but I'm lazy 17:22:48 so... F thing-to-find 17:23:12 what did you program your text editor in slava? 17:23:14 Internationalization alone can easily suck you down a black hole of competing, incomplete and incompatible standards, and $DEITY help you if you wade into the swamp of glyph rendering. 17:23:29 LOOP-HOG: java 17:24:12 right now I have a inkling to figure out how internet radio streaming works 17:24:24 its just http 17:24:50 would OS latency provide a problem, causing skips? 17:25:15 you need some kind of buffering 17:25:33 buffering on the server? 17:25:37 client 17:25:46 the server is just an http server 17:26:15 client software already has buffering in it, I am assuming that I am using popular media programs 17:26:32 what determines how many people can listen in on the stream at once? 17:26:39 the server bandwidth 17:26:51 The Legal department. 17:27:02 gnomon.. lol 17:27:16 so, it's not a matter of CPU power so much? 17:27:45 not at all 17:27:58 unless the server is doing on the fly mp3 compression 17:29:11 oh, yeah. it would. because this would be so that one could do a live radio show and have hundreds of people listen in at once 17:29:35 It's just that I talked to somebody today who was doing this, and they said that they had a problem with the server crashing when they did this 17:29:38 still, you only need one process to do compression 17:29:43 and the others stream compressed dat 17:29:44 a 17:29:55 --- quit: qFox ("Time for cookies!") 17:30:18 --- join: Pb (n=Pb@75.139.142.168) joined #forth 17:32:11 So, first I should study http 17:33:22 build a streaming music server in factor 17:33:27 it already has an http server 17:33:38 that is an idea 17:34:53 is factor fast? 17:35:45 its fast enough for a streaming music server 17:35:53 there is already something called BroadWave 17:35:54 http://www.nch.com.au/streaming/index.html 17:35:58 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:36:24 it says that up to 500 people can listen to your show at the same time 17:36:34 another question is, why not 5000? or 10000? 17:36:52 well, 10000 simultaneous clients is pushing it 17:37:03 I mean, if you have just one stream comming out of your server, and they all listen to the same stream, then aren't they all getting the same packets? 17:37:49 not unless you use multicast 17:38:11 what is the limiting factor (no pun intended)? The server managing each connection apart from the data being served? 17:39:11 what would happen if I tried to have 10,000 guys at the same time? 17:39:18 youd' run out of bandwidth 17:39:35 bandwidth of the server's microprocessor? 17:39:40 You'd probably also run into some problems trying to maintain 10,000 open network connections. 17:39:55 network bandwidth 17:47:26 that gives a bit of food for thought 17:51:49 --- quit: Pb ("This computer has gone to sleep") 19:56:52 --- join: Malfermi1aKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-138-20.netcologne.de) joined #forth 19:57:18 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:58:30 --- quit: ASau (Remote closed the connection) 21:22:11 --- quit: aspect (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:12 --- quit: slava (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:12 --- quit: gogonkt`1 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:13 --- quit: malyn (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:13 --- quit: Deformative (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:13 --- quit: maht (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:22:13 --- quit: warpzero (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:27:48 --- join: slava (n=slava@li13-154.members.linode.com) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- join: gogonkt`1 (n=info@125.34.36.29) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- join: malyn (n=malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- join: Deformative (n=joe@c-68-62-76-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- join: maht (n=maht__@85.189.31.174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@208.74.136.141) joined #forth 21:27:48 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o slava 21:28:08 --- join: aspect (i=aspect@burns.dreamhost.com) joined #forth 23:43:54 --- quit: ramkrsna (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:50:33 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 23:57:55 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.09.20