00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.06.02 03:01:16 --- quit: ygrek (Success) 03:02:32 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-5e9e93cc8a09c10c) joined #forth 04:26:49 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 04:30:54 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 04:55:18 --- join: snoopy17 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-209-090.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 04:59:01 --- join: quek (n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net) joined #forth 05:03:29 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05:03:34 --- nick: snoopy17 -> Snoopy42 06:10:34 --- part: quek left #forth 07:05:22 --- join: quek (n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net) joined #forth 07:56:19 --- part: quek left #forth 07:57:05 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 09:01:46 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-24-61-47-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:01:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:01:56 mornin all 09:13:47 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202038064.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 09:20:07 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 09:22:00 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:24:07 --- quit: madwork (Client Quit) 09:27:43 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:53:37 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@70.102.202.140) joined #forth 10:17:37 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:17:48 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 10:36:45 --- join: GoNoGo (n=GoNoGo@cro34-3-82-236-93-215.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 10:41:15 hey. 10:45:47 howdy howdy 10:46:18 I made some progress with my built-in text editor today 10:47:10 in fronds 10:47:17 pretty soon I should be able to edit comments and word names 10:52:02 Progress :) 10:54:10 yeah :) 10:54:31 each day I try to make a tiny step towards marginal functinality 11:28:56 jason... what kind of editor? 11:29:10 i wrote a slightly buggy block file editor :P 11:29:57 I440r: just the basics at first, primarily for entering 1-17 characters 11:30:09 a line editor? 11:30:14 I made a temporary input dialog for searching and executing 11:30:24 alt-space (then hold space while you type a word name) type thing 11:30:38 I'm working on abstracting that code to type and hit backspace to be more generally useful 11:30:57 yea... i have a line editor that allows you to specify the widht of the "window" and you can scroll back and forth along the line and "edit" lol 11:30:57 yeah, basically. I probably won't handle multiple lines at a time for a long time 11:31:10 yeah, that sort of thing 11:31:41 my primary motivation right now is to be able to type a word into the source 11:31:57 hence making my "editor" actually capable of editing source 11:32:18 right now I can only delete and save 11:32:47 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:32:49 once that works I'll allow editing of commonts, which should be trivial to implement once I've got the text input stuff working 11:33:13 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 11:33:24 yea in my block editor i can have 8 files open at the same time, u hit the "i want to load a new file" keypress and it opens up an 12 to 15 wide window (1 line high) and you can edit 256 bytes of test into it 11:33:44 so you can path to the file to load. but you only ever see that one windows worth of text. 11:34:00 backspace, delete and insert work as expected (thers in sert mode and overwrite mode) 11:34:34 256 bytes of TEXT even lol 11:34:36 cool. what forth is this for/in? 11:34:59 the dos version of isforth, thus far, mostly unreleased. i did give a copy to slava tho lol 11:35:31 --- quit: ramkrsna (Remote closed the connection) 11:35:55 i also wrote a huffman comp/decomp for my block files. i dont intend to use blocks for sources, im creating help files on all source files and on all words etc 11:36:02 sort of like man pages for each word 11:36:43 are you going to support blocks and block editing on other platforms? 11:36:47 siforth dos is erm... not as complex as the linux version and has a MUCH longer readme 11:37:06 ill port the block editor to my linux isforth for the same reason 11:37:19 but im not sure i want to support block sources 11:38:19 tho it would be trivial to enable loading of blocks in isforth 11:38:22 erm brb 11:38:34 block sources makes sense to me only when you're going more for the OS thing, not so much as an app under an existing OS 11:43:53 well my only real objection to block sources is that they make you CRAM everything into a blob. its also difficult to see words in context 11:44:21 what i mean is that the word on the current block is related to the words on previous blocks and all you can see is the ONE word 11:44:40 I like the idea of grouping stuff together 11:44:47 but often my groups are bigger than blocks 11:45:14 I have other ideas on how to group stuff 11:45:16 a flat file allows you to write your code more vertical, which allows code on left, comments on right. i prefer this style as you can scan down either column easilly 11:45:28 i dont like interleaving code with comments 11:45:31 breaks the flow 11:45:40 sounds good 11:45:50 actually, the readme that comes with the dos version of isforth goes into this whole concept in depth heh 11:46:21 the readme is a bit long because it tries to cover everything and i also released a complete 8051 assembler, disassembler AND simulator 11:46:33 same asm/dis as in isforth linux but erm... bug fixed lol 11:46:33 nice 11:46:48 port the bug fixes! 11:46:58 oh. and a "not quite complete" 8051 forth kernel 11:47:13 its on the todo :) 11:47:20 oh, nm then 11:47:28 ;) 11:47:48 well... the assembler has a very nasty bug where i was miscalculating the target address of the acall/ajmp instructions 11:51:48 had... not has 13:13:58 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:45:36 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:47:48 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 13:59:29 --- quit: GoNoGo ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 14:03:32 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 14:12:32 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 14:39:57 I really hate sites that have been [over] done in flash 14:40:25 I wait 30 seconds for the damn thing to load, and then when it finally does, I don't get information, I get strawberries fading in and out and streaking accross the screen 14:40:39 and then it starts blaring over the music I already have playing with it's own music 14:41:32 this is NOT progress 14:44:47 --- quit: JasonWoof ("too many computers") 14:53:03 good evening 14:57:49 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:57:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 15:08:50 jason install flashblock. flash is just a way to put annoying "BUY ME NOW!!!!" crap in web pages 15:25:06 i've nevr seen a useful flash app 15:27:42 Wow, great observation. I've never quite thougth of that. It's absolutely true. 15:29:50 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:48:31 its an advertising medium. flashy blinky "buy me now!" blah blah. i hate flash 15:55:37 Indeed. For business, by business. 17:13:34 jason if you want to see my "unreleased" dos isforth (with slightly buggy editor) slava can probably send it to you... i cant atm 17:38:58 * crc has a copy as well 17:41:10 you do? thief! lol 17:41:15 or did i send it to you too? 17:41:21 its old age... i ferget 17:43:38 you sent it to me a few weeks back 17:43:51 along with the last release of the linux isforth 17:44:31 I remember that :) 17:46:46 erm.... erm.... 17:46:47 lol 17:57:41 oh lol. maybe it was YOU i sent it to and im remembering it was slava.... erm 17:57:46 like i said, its old age lol 17:57:49 duh 17:59:48 * crc is still fairly young ;) 18:01:58 me too! erm... :) 18:38:22 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:49:33 * Raystm2 went from young to old in just a few months, more then a year ago now. 18:50:19 lies! 18:55:32 no, he's telling the truth 18:56:04 it's depressing how quickly health problems can age someone :( 19:06:30 It truely is. One must awaken to the fact that one is more then his health issues. 19:08:18 crc I just got an email from Chaossolutions the host of colorForth Mailing list. They have started a colorForth Community Blog http://colorforth.net. 19:09:29 I was just composing e-mail to see if they would like to work in conjunction with your new community site. Think I should ask? We as colorForthers could use that blog and as the wiki communities official blog, unless you have other plans for blog? 19:10:35 I also want to ask the community to consider the sourceForge site as the official repository. This is in effort to keep everything in the community congruent. 19:11:19 mailing list, blog and sourceForge already exist and are known in the community by now. 19:12:45 lol I'll officially ask the community thru the blog. 19:12:54 I have no plans for a blog, so this will work nicely I think 19:14:59 Excellent, I will fire of the e-mail. cc you. 19:16:15 sf.net is horrible 19:17:40 I know, but colorforth is already established there. Entrenchment. 19:18:26 Besides, the versions of colorforth can be linked to there from a web page with out actually haveing to go to sourceForge to get the code. 19:19:30 It can be the Official Repo, and still not be the only, as well. 19:22:23 click here to download followed by click here to select mirror followed by "if this doesnt staqrt click here" 19:22:24 bleh 19:22:46 was never impressed with the overly busy format of the site 19:25:58 oh sourceforge? ya. :) 19:36:07 --- join: probonono (n=User@ppp103-111.static.internode.on.net) joined #forth 19:46:15 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 19:51:23 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:43:36 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 21:48:18 http://retroforth.com/paste/?id=529 Horst Algorithm in English by Ray. 23:56:48 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.115) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.06.02