00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.04.08 00:54:23 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:00:52 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:30:15 --- join: maht (n=maht@85-189-31-174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 02:08:59 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-210-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 02:10:03 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 02:12:18 --- quit: nighty^ (Client Quit) 02:17:14 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02:17:15 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 02:18:17 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 02:18:47 Hi 02:19:54 hi 02:23:27 Hey Slava 02:23:38 Using Jedit just now... 02:23:48 to write some forth? 02:23:56 Just that 02:24:21 Having some problems with Win32forth 02:24:28 or it is just me 02:24:39 http://factorcode.org/getfactor.fhtml :) 02:25:06 yeah I've seen it 02:25:09 :) 02:25:35 No time to to try it 02:25:59 good night 02:26:13 gn 03:09:27 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 03:17:06 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 03:34:29 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 03:39:54 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:40:27 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 03:40:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 03:57:32 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:04:07 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:20:35 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:27:03 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:45:38 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:47:34 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p1022-adsau16honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 04:52:38 --- quit: Al2O3 (Success) 05:03:01 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 05:10:40 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:16:19 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:16:56 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 05:33:49 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 07:06:01 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-b2b45703d38fa964) joined #forth 07:32:39 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 08:02:04 --- join: Malfermi1aKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-128-26.netcologne.de) joined #forth 08:05:23 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:10:53 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 08:50:36 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:16:05 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:26:21 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 09:27:30 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:31:21 --- join: magnusj (n=magnus@pool-71-185-84-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 09:36:09 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:55:56 --- quit: magnusj_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:56:23 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 09:56:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:09:02 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 10:09:32 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 10:12:02 --- quit: madwork (Client Quit) 10:12:26 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 10:27:00 --- quit: Al2O3 () 10:48:20 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@61.7.144.97) joined #forth 11:01:45 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 11:02:07 --- quit: Malfermi1aKodo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:26:55 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-209-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:27:32 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 11:27:40 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 11:59:39 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 12:07:07 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:52:10 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:00:13 --- quit: Al2O3 (Success) 13:04:31 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@205.205.178.5) joined #forth 13:41:11 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:37:57 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 14:38:56 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:38:57 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 14:53:09 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:59:31 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 15:04:32 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 15:35:52 hey. 15:38:37 Hey. 15:38:59 hay 15:39:29 Hay is for cows. 15:39:39 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 15:40:17 --- join: arke (n=arke@p57A74D75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:40:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 15:45:28 --- quit: Quartus` (Client Quit) 16:00:24 how many bytes into this disk image does the second partition start? 16:00:27 http://jasonwoof.org/paste 16:11:42 are there any good solutions for virtualizing OSes on ppc machines? 16:12:49 maconlinux works 16:19:57 i want to run netbsd, freebsd, openbsd, linux and mac os x on the same machine 16:20:02 maybe not openbsd 16:20:06 but the other four 16:20:15 the machine has four cpus so i can run four builds at the same time 16:21:06 might be worth looking into whether maconlinux can run other bsds 16:21:42 i want to fill in the ppc row here a bit more: http://factorcode.org/getfactor.fhtml 16:35:47 Are there good free solutions for virtualizing OSes on x86 machines these days? 16:36:01 yes 16:36:04 xen is one 16:36:17 Does Xen still require OS support? 16:36:46 vmware is prtty good but its commercial 16:36:51 (drivers, etc. in the hosted OS) 16:36:52 virtualbox is gpl and it's nice too 16:37:01 we've had bad luck with en at work 16:37:04 or maybe that was kvm 16:37:05 not sure 16:37:12 one of the kernel virtualization solutions was unstable 16:37:36 We have a few OpenVZ nodes at work, but it has limitations. 17:08:19 --- quit: magnusj ("leaving") 17:29:22 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:58:25 --- join: david_koontz (n=david_ko@wsip-24-248-85-247.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 18:00:55 in the preface to the 2004 edition of "Thinking Forth", Leo Brodie says he was unfair to OO languages and is impressed by OO concepts in some versions of Forth, but he never mentions them by name, is there a "representative" OO'ish Forth or was he referring to private projects by companies that never went mainstream? 18:01:25 mops perhaps 18:01:28 but its dead now :( 18:01:45 :( 18:01:55 because it failed as an idea? 18:02:06 no, because the author has no intention of porting it to intel mac 18:02:11 ah 18:02:13 yeah that would do it 18:02:26 but since it's forth, should't that be like 8 words to port ;) 18:02:39 well, it's a native compiler and it was written the old-fashioned way 18:02:51 where you don't have a front-end back-end separation 18:02:56 oh 18:02:59 so like no interactive mode 18:03:04 ? 18:03:08 it has an interactive mode 18:03:09 I seem to misunderstand 18:03:12 but the compiler generates ppc machine code directly 18:03:18 so to 'port' it to mac intel would be arewrite of the compiler 18:03:24 ok 18:03:36 that was the preeminent OO rep in forth land though? 18:03:46 now i'd plug my oo forth-like project here but some people don't like it when i do that, so i won't ;) 18:04:18 could you /msg me with it? 18:15:51 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:57:14 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:03:31 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 20:45:47 --- quit: madgarden ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 20:46:44 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096652780.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 20:56:44 --- quit: david_koontz () 21:17:34 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@ip70-190-68-230.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 21:18:08 ok why IS fill ( a1 n1 c1 --- ) instead of ( c1 a1 n1 --- ) ? 21:18:50 hi I440r 21:18:58 hey :) 21:19:05 im doing a help system for isforth 21:19:10 cool! 21:19:21 i wrote a block file editor and am currently writing help content for the entire system in block files 21:19:26 huffman encoded lol 21:19:26 wow 21:19:31 chuck moore style? 21:19:32 stole that idea from laxen and perry 21:19:47 no. i dont like block files for source code, too crammed 21:19:53 heh 21:20:02 but for one block per word help it works nice 21:20:10 yeah 21:20:36 the huffman encoding works freeking nicely too lol 21:20:45 but get this... 21:20:57 the largetst non space character count is about 300 is instances 21:21:14 the space has 3 * 65535 for a count 21:21:32 3,xxxx hex 21:22:10 i didnt use laxen and perries huffman encoder tho, wrote it from scratch 21:22:26 why huffman-encode at all? 21:22:38 simple. fast 21:23:39 : decode root-node begin dup nn-left @ while nn-left bit@ + c@ >node repeat nn-char c@ ; <--- that decodes one character 21:24:13 it says. while the node were on has any children at all, fetch next bit of encoded data and traverse tree left or right based on bit 21:24:27 if node has no children its a leaf, collect encoded character from node 21:24:58 also. it gives good compression on block files, not BEST but good 21:25:13 i got 32k block file thats compressed to 6839 bytes 21:25:38 i have a 200gb hard disk 21:25:54 lol 21:26:04 it also stops end users from editing my files :P 21:26:08 heh 21:26:12 that's a better reason :) 21:26:14 tho... erm... 21:26:23 anyone want to edit my help files for me? 21:26:24 lol 21:26:45 i have SIX 200g+ drives in my desktop 21:27:18 also, its freeking FUN to see all that data squish down becaose of code i wrote :P~ 21:30:05 so why isnt fill (c1 a1 n1 --- ) ? 21:53:17 lol i joined a xp help channen on undernet to try find out how to get my MUTE to work again, a bot told me to ask my question and WAIT in silence 21:53:30 haha 21:53:32 10 minutes later another bot booted me for PARKING 21:53:52 "please ask your question and wait to get bootd out of the channel" 22:03:18 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 22:44:53 --- quit: maht (Connection timed out) 23:22:04 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 23:26:07 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 23:43:47 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:56:12 --- quit: Al2O3 () 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.04.08