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The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development time." 09:33:21 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:39:28 *lol* JasonWoof 09:40:19 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 09:52:36 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 09:56:25 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:01:41 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 10:04:41 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 10:04:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:05:30 anybody been to a LUG? any fun? 10:21:26 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:27:21 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:46:29 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:54:14 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 11:07:32 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:15:45 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:22:13 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-203-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:22:53 JasonWoof: I was at a Linux User Group a few times 11:23:10 cool 11:23:13 was it fun? 11:23:31 yeah, it was... 11:24:21 the only problem I have with going to LUGs is that they are normally at times when I have to walk home since no bus will come anymore 11:28:35 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:29:00 that's annoying 11:29:47 --- join: madwork_ (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 11:29:55 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:30:05 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:30:29 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 11:30:34 this is cool! 11:30:48 If all goes well I'll be able to make windoze binaries on my linux box 11:31:04 why would someone want to :p 11:31:46 so my windoze having friends can try my stuff 11:34:29 you haven't been successfull in making them convert? 11:34:31 ;) 11:34:40 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 11:34:43 some, but not all 11:35:14 MalfermitaKodo: have you ever encountered door-to-door jehova's witnesses evangelists? 11:35:43 we should go door-to-door with ubuntu-live-install CDs 11:36:24 In Germany, they mnormally stand in public places and don't walk from door to door trying to convert people. I love discussing with them 11:47:40 discussing in good faith, or making fun of? 11:47:45 do you take them seriously? 11:51:37 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:56:38 lament: I don't make fun of them, but I think religion is somehow weird... I never discuss with people withhout taking into account that I could be wrong 11:57:13 but normally, my questions make them pretend not to know any German real fasst 11:57:24 hehe 11:57:33 it is sinful to think for yourself! 11:57:39 don't scare the poor bastards 11:58:02 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Success) 11:58:28 ;) 12:04:57 my point was that nobody takes evangelists seriously, and it seems you concur 12:13:35 it's not that easy. I do search for evidence for any religion but I am very skeptical 12:14:44 The logical underpinnings of religion is orthogonal to the credibility of its evangelists. 12:15:26 -1s/orthogonal/a topic orthogonal/ 12:16:40 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:22:28 holy crap 12:22:29 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 12:22:39 my linux box will run windows binaryes 12:22:59 don't have to put wine in the command 12:23:06 just did: 12:23:10 ./vor.exe 12:23:12 and it ran 12:23:15 pretty damn well too 12:23:16 NO WAI 12:23:33 YA RLY 12:23:52 Seriously, though: whiskey tango foxtrot? 12:25:35 I was trying to make sure that the binary I made was a win32 binary, not a linux binary, so I ran it 12:25:39 ./koch-backend 12:25:40 and it worked 12:26:13 Define "worked". 12:26:43 so I open that file in vim, and sure enough it starts with "MZ" and contains "This program cannot be run in DOS mode." 12:26:58 it ran, and output to stdout 12:29:00 o_O 12:31:36 ahh, and I think I figured out why I can't get the front-end to link to SDL 12:31:48 I forgot to --enable-shared when installing SDL 12:32:52 with more complex program (actually giving it something to render instead of just having it print usage) it runs, and creates an image, but it's not quite right 12:35:54 oh, could be just that it's spitting out crlf instead of just lf 12:36:35 Do you have dosemu so something like that installed, JasonWoof? 12:38:36 wine 12:38:45 don't think I have dosemu 12:39:42 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:39:50 What does 'file ./vor.exe' and 'ldd ./vor.exe' have to say? 12:40:56 I think you probably have the non-native executable support compiled into the kernel, and it thunks out to user space to run the right loader. 12:44:18 pretty damn cool eh? 12:44:28 vor.exe we built on windows, and have run it on windows 12:44:46 koch-backend I just cross-compiled for windows 12:45:21 vor.exe: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit 12:45:57 koch-backend: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit 12:46:11 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 12:46:16 can't seem to get it to link against sdl 13:02:51 pretty soon linux newbies will be able to download and install windows viruses just like the rest of the world! 13:02:56 oh fer cryin' out loud 13:03:13 had to fiddle with the order of the -l switches to gcc 13:04:45 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:07:27 well, now it links, that's progress 13:07:34 now to get it to actually work... 13:10:27 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 13:17:58 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:20:25 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-ef18b746f27d71fc) joined #forth 13:34:35 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:40:20 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B104258.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:41:09 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 13:50:11 it works! 13:50:42 now to get it tested on a windows computer... 13:51:14 weird. SDL_SetVideoMode failed if I passed 0 to the bpp parameter 13:51:27 (when compiled for windows and running under wine) 13:51:57 I didn't notice stderr.txt was created until after I debugged it the hard way 13:54:35 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:30:49 --- join: skas (n=skas@support.agiledigital.com.au) joined #forth 14:36:20 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:36:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 14:37:41 hi all 14:42:04 --- join: Maki_ (n=Maki@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 14:44:29 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:45:53 hi :) 14:46:01 I figured out how to cross-compile for windows 14:46:12 debian/ubuntu has a mingw32 package 14:48:11 cross-compiled libsdl from source with that 14:48:31 ./configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc --enable-shared 14:49:19 had some trouble building my koch SDL app 14:49:36 could build the backend program just fine, but had trouble linking to sdl 14:49:46 turns out you have to get the gcc arguments in the right order 14:50:03 cocol 14:50:09 cool 14:50:11 what gcc arguments? 14:50:31 like koch.c and -lSDL 14:51:02 it's quite picky about it 14:51:09 iirc the -lSDL has to be after the object files 14:51:14 oh, right. 14:51:14 and -lm needs to be at the end 14:51:39 my system knows how to run windows binaries! 14:51:50 discovered that by accident 14:51:51 your ubuntu system? 14:51:53 yeah 14:51:56 weird 14:52:00 I've got wine installed, I guess it just figures it out 14:52:15 got the kernel misc binary loader module built in, I guess 14:52:36 once I build koch-backend, I decided to try running it, figuring it would spit out an error message about not being an executable for my platform, but it just took an extra few seconds and ran 14:52:51 nice 14:53:04 this is on my x86 laptop, so it's not doing emulation too :) 14:53:17 vor-win actually runs really well on here 14:53:41 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 14:54:21 that's cool that you finally got all the crashes straightened out 14:54:52 oh, yeah, and it (on my computer, didn't test on an actual windows box) wouldn't let me pass 0 for the bpp field of SDL_SetVideoMode 14:55:17 sdl docs say to pass 0 for using whatever the screen is set to 14:57:09 That's what the current code does? 14:57:50 I haven't tried building vor 14:58:26 oh, I see. vor-win works, but your koch program passes 0 for bpp and doesn't work? 14:58:31 vor passes 16 for bpp 14:58:49 vor-win runs under wine (even via ./vor.exe) 14:58:57 right 14:59:05 huh 14:59:15 my koch program was passing 0 and didn't work that way under wine 15:00:00 the koch thing I cross-compiled works great on Kelly's windows laptop (after 15:00:10 (after I added the .exe extension... oops) 15:00:44 that's a nice program to have 5X the CPU speed 15:01:09 --- join: Malfermi1aKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-128-246.netcologne.de) joined #forth 15:01:59 I bet 15:02:16 Images just pop right up, do they? 15:02:25 --- quit: Maki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:02:29 the simple ones 15:03:05 it's the waiting 10-15 seconds instead of a minute that's nice 15:03:20 ah 15:03:44 that program does not have a nice interface 15:03:50 it gives you no clue about how long it'll take 15:03:59 or instructions... 15:04:04 and you can't save 15:04:20 and if you move the mouse it draws the original and control points over the image 15:04:24 can't get rid of them 15:04:43 Really? I thought you had a key to toggle them. 15:04:51 I made it so you could toggle that stuff off again a couple years ago, but I think I lost those changes 15:05:13 I did them at camp on my laptop, and apparently never coppied the changes over 15:05:41 I didn't think to save ~/dev when I wiped my laptop hd to install ubuntu 15:05:54 Ah. Was just about to ask if your laptop died or something. 15:06:18 shame about that. 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