00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.03.30 00:34:38 --- quit: bjorkintosh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:46:20 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:55:31 --- quit: forther (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:04:28 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-2105ab6fb5df9372) joined #forth 02:04:42 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-229-224.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 02:29:57 --- quit: Fractal ("[BX] Mr. Rogers uses BitchX. Won't you be my neighbor?") 02:34:13 --- join: Fractal (i=frax@hacked.ur.box.muahaha.com) joined #forth 03:54:54 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 04:01:36 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@plc9-214.linzag.net) joined #forth 05:35:46 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:43:37 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 05:59:53 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 06:04:40 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@plc9-214.linzag.net) joined #forth 06:08:52 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:13:59 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:33:53 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:39:23 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:43:32 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p5187-adsau17honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 06:58:57 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:04:32 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 07:19:42 --- join: Anarchos (i=kerjean@91.68.194.27) joined #forth 07:23:59 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:26:39 --- part: Anarchos left #forth 07:29:42 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 08:06:15 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 09:00:51 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:07:27 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 09:59:05 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:05:38 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 10:09:10 Hello. 10:24:06 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:29:52 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Connection timed out) 10:44:38 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@plc9-214.linzag.net) joined #forth 10:45:03 --- nick: Malfermi1aKodo -> MalfermitaKodo 11:13:21 hi Quartus 11:19:03 hi Quartus 11:25:34 --- quit: MalfermitaKodo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:26:32 --- join: MalfermitaKodo (n=kansu@xdsl-78-34-134-73.netcologne.de) joined #forth 11:27:03 what's new? 11:43:16 --- quit: timlarson (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11:45:40 --- quit: Mikoangelo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:45:57 Is there any German newbie guide, you can recommend? 11:50:53 --- quit: Quartus` (Client Quit) 11:51:09 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 11:59:24 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l37rb.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 11:59:34 --- join: Mikoangelo (n=Mikael@0x3e42d364.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #forth 11:59:53 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 12:03:59 Hi, MalfermitaKodo 12:05:58 I missed what's new, I think. 12:09:10 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-229-224.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 12:17:49 hi Mikoangelo 12:17:57 hi guys, what's up 12:18:07 * slava is at work on sunday 12:18:11 except i didn't come in on friday 12:20:52 --- join: parodyoflanguage (n=klh@mmds-216-19-34-118.twm.az.commspeed.net) joined #forth 12:54:38 Slava: chance to get more done when it's quieter 12:54:57 heh 13:02:43 MalfermitaKodo, no idea about the German 13:25:22 :/ 13:29:46 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:16:40 --- quit: slava ("leaving") 14:17:46 * MalfermitaKodo needs to ask a stupid question*: how do I access individual characters of a string in memory? 14:17:52 c@ 14:18:29 ah 14:18:42 ty! 14:18:46 s 14:22:33 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 14:44:06 --- join: slava (n=slava@li13-154.members.linode.com) joined #forth 15:01:24 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 15:01:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 15:05:26 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 15:50:48 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-115-083.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:59:06 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15:59:23 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 16:09:31 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B105CFB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:09:53 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 16:19:22 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 16:43:25 Hi tathi. 16:45:57 hey 17:15:34 How goes the investigation into compile-always systems? 18:06:54 Oops. I keep forgetting about IRC lately. 18:07:28 Looks like it really is hard to build standard semantics on top of a compile-only system. 18:07:36 Oh well, it was an interesting thought. 18:07:48 I believe it's impossible. You lose important thigns. 18:08:27 I don't see that you lose anything. 18:08:56 It's just...a different set of words that need to be "immediate". 18:09:25 I ran into a variety of obstacles when I fooled around with it; perhaps I was missing something. 18:09:44 Hmm. Well, I haven't implemented it; I could still easily be missing something. 18:09:50 I was trying to build Standard semantics, as well. That proved impossible. 18:10:06 Yeah, standard semantics definitely look impossible. 18:10:19 Do you recall what other obstacles you hit? 18:10:53 Building new syntax was substantially difficult -- parsing the input buffer. 18:12:30 It's been 12 years since I had a go at it, so forgive me if I cannot recall all the minutiae :) 18:12:39 Ya, I figured. :) 18:14:37 I found that I was frequently having to compensate for the compile-everything mechanism in order to recover the functionality that's there by default in a normal system. 18:15:21 Lots of things had to be immediate, and then you had to compensate in reverse to have them compile into a definition. 18:15:49 Yeah, ok, that's the main difficulty I'm seeing. 18:16:24 So rather than doing away with state, it made it necessary to constantly consider it. 18:18:53 Well, just for parsing words. I didn't think it was that bad... 18:19:13 I tripped over it quite a bit, but then I was trying to run coretest. 18:19:21 I know when I was learning Forth I struggled a bit with the different times that things happen. 18:19:26 But maybe I was just trying to do things I shouldn't. 18:19:42 Yeah, it's completely at odds with standard forth in those sort of places. 18:20:13 I found Forth came easily when I stopped fighting it, and instead looked for why what is there, is there, and used it accordingly. :) 18:21:22 I should stop reading comp.lang.forth probably. :) 18:21:29 At least selected posters. ) 18:24:09 I've been sort of looking around to see if there's any interesting/useful Forth code out there; seemed like I should at least check out the newsgroup. 18:24:40 The odd good thing crops up. 18:25:58 It's just...almost nobody seems to have written much in the way of reusable code. 18:26:06 Not much that they post, at any rate. 18:26:19 Er. Yeah, I should have said that. 18:26:41 I'd like to start a repository. I'd restrict it to Standard stuff, I think. 18:27:23 I keep wanting to use Forth for things, but it's so much easier to use another language that already has libraries available. 18:27:37 Well, there's ffi. 18:27:52 there's ffi, and then there are native libraries that use the abstractions of your language properly. 18:27:56 Sure, but it's still a fair amount of work. 18:28:00 True. 18:28:10 Even if you know how to use the library, you have to go look up all the constants and structures and whatnot. 18:28:21 Once, anyway. 18:28:38 Yeah. 18:29:00 I keep plugging away at bits and pieces...one of these days maybe I'll have enough bits to finish something. 18:29:39 Weren't you writing a Forth? 18:30:14 I have a couple minimal Forths around that I've written. 18:30:32 But my only reason for writing one now is that I want something that will compile binaries, and cross compile, and that's not trivial. 18:30:39 Otherwise gforth suffices quite nicely. 18:31:21 Ah, you are not following the doctrine of our friend ASau: Gforth hasn't had a release for 5 years, so it can't be used now. :) 18:31:44 Heh. Well, I do agree with him that they should make a damn release already! 18:32:09 You must pass into the light and use SP-FORTH! (Learn Russian first.) 18:32:23 :) 18:33:06 I'm on the fence as to whether William James is a sock-puppet of Doty's. 18:33:47 And what became of werty? 18:34:34 Oh -- and I note that Mentos now has a disciple. I sense puppetry, but who knows? 18:37:47 Yeah, William James does seem to be chiming in at all the same times as Doty 18:38:01 Only further up the insanity scale. 18:38:49 I suspect Mentos' friend simply because he isn't posting "This thing doesn't work. It doesn't do anything. What the hell?" 18:39:43 hehe 18:40:17 Huh. Google says no werties since February 21 or so. 18:40:26 I kind of hope William James is a fake, because otherwise he seems like the sort of fellow one should probably notify the authorities about. 18:40:57 Werty has probably evolved into a being of pure energy. 18:43:03 Beings of pure energy don't post on usenet groups, I take it? 18:43:12 I'm guessing no. 18:45:18 Well, I should get some sleep. 18:45:24 Take care. 18:45:29 Likewise. 18:45:31 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:50:54 --- quit: maht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:50:58 --- join: maht (n=maht@85.189.31.174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 18:55:21 --- join: Mikoange1o (n=Mikael@0x3e42d364.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #forth 18:56:59 --- join: skas (n=skas@support.agiledigital.com.au) joined #forth 19:07:02 --- quit: Mikoangelo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:08:44 --- quit: skas ("Ex-Chat") 19:18:10 --- quit: Al2O3 () 19:25:52 --- join: skas (n=skas@support.agiledigital.com.au) joined #forth 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