00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.03.25 01:12:51 --- quit: arke (Connection timed out) 01:57:22 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.150) joined #forth 02:09:56 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 02:34:52 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5B10417D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 02:38:48 --- join: Maki (n=veselic@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 04:46:48 --- quit: maht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:46:51 --- join: maht (n=maht@85-189-31-174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 05:50:17 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:16:47 Hello. 06:31:05 --- quit: Quartus () 07:20:21 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 07:25:41 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:26:20 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-227-114.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:34:10 --- quit: Maki ("KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/") 08:26:09 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 08:39:12 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:46:37 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 09:47:32 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-227-114.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 09:58:05 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:17:21 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 10:21:02 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 10:21:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:21:08 --- quit: JasonWoof (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:21:43 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 10:21:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 11:07:29 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-218-35.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 11:23:43 --- quit: Quartus` ("used jmIrc") 11:24:02 --- join: Quartus` (n=Quartus`@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 11:27:19 --- nick: Baughn -> Cheiron 11:28:05 --- nick: Cheiron -> Baughn 11:36:34 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-35763a195bdd7280) joined #forth 11:50:31 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:51:28 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-218-35.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 11:52:34 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection reset by peer) 12:11:18 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-218-35.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 12:15:57 --- join: tgunr_ (n=davec@70-41-248-186.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 12:22:05 --- join: tgunr- (n=davec@70-41-248-186.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 13:22:42 --- join: Maki (n=veselic@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 13:23:24 hi 13:26:26 hi 13:30:13 How are you Jason? 13:30:28 good good 13:30:44 feeling a little "hey I should be working" 13:32:25 :) 13:35:57 --- quit: Maki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:36:16 --- join: Maki (n=veselic@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 13:36:20 wb 13:36:51 wb all y'all :) 13:37:42 * Raystm2 is slicing and dicing a colorforth file in the hex editor. 13:38:04 I'm trying to bring a disk image down to size and find out how the author got this so offset. 13:38:17 I'm gonna HTML it here in a sec. :) 13:38:47 weird 13:38:50 this time I'll use tathi's htmler for it's supperiour control. 13:39:11 vas es wierd? 13:39:54 yikes I cant evn splel wehn m'i copeeing. 13:39:56 most people like to edit things that have source code 13:39:56 with the exception of cracking proprietary software 13:40:24 gah! you've overdosed on your editing and now you're speaking half in hex 13:40:40 I can understand that. 13:40:43 lol :) 13:40:55 feed face? 13:41:07 it is decidedly so. 13:41:14 beef? 13:41:28 ( slow magic 8 ball) 13:41:37 maybe 13:42:10 ever take one of those apart? 13:42:13 I never have. 13:42:17 hard only using the first 6 leters 13:42:30 no 13:42:31 I've always wanted to know how many sides on the inner "ball". 13:42:41 never had one, didn't think it would be polite to dismember someone elses 13:42:52 Good career move. 13:43:20 oh, can't you tell from making it roll a little? 13:43:41 8 iirc 13:43:58 you can pro'ly tell from #answers*1= 13:44:31 nope, 20 sides 13:44:49 that was my next guess 13:45:03 I remembered it had tryangular faces, and figured it was a regular hedron 13:45:05 there must be an air bubble and special captures for air under each answer to make sure that the answer goes into the window. hmmm 13:46:10 well, should put that one down for my next trip to HowCrapOperates.com. 13:47:40 wikipedia has the full list of answers 13:48:47 I'm nearly tempeted to look. Wikipedia will be the death of all new experimentation. lol remember the Patent Clerk turn of the last century before last century. :) 13:49:40 "That's it boy's close the books, with the underwire bra, that's all man ever need left to invent, jobs over, kiss the missus for us." :) 13:50:06 Or something along those lines. 13:51:40 ANd then they invented so many things last century as to totally out number the previous total of all inventions ever invented every century from the dawn of man. 13:56:52 Makes sense, if one considers that there are more human feet on earth ( or so i'm told ) a number greater then the number of all humans that have died to date. Is that possible? 13:56:57 I've never done the math. 13:58:10 hehe, if it's "new experimentation" then it won't be on wikipedia 13:58:29 By definition, I suppose you are correct. 13:58:32 Raystm2: that's not true. 13:58:35 --- quit: Maki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:58:41 Raystm2: i remember seeing the math somewhere 13:59:03 perhaps unless you count the humans with abnormally many feet :) 13:59:21 thanks for clarity then. :) 13:59:25 hehe 13:59:50 I suppose there will come a point when we reach these totals. 14:01:10 JasonWoof, I suppose it will solidify language, and keep some forms of evolution in check, my worry revealed. 14:02:28 There is much hoopla about the "New Awakening". Is this not history repeating. 14:03:58 Lol what is my worry about? Keeping some forms of evolution in check is called survival of the fittest. 14:04:07 --- join: Maki (n=Maki@adsl-202-95.eunet.yu) joined #forth 14:05:10 this kvirc thingy died on me twice :( now on Xchat 14:05:48 :( 14:05:55 stupid kvirc thingy. 14:06:08 I have plenty of stupid thingys. 14:06:28 What's the topic today? 14:06:31 "It's all just a little bit of history repeating." 14:06:36 :) 14:06:38 hehe. 14:06:59 I can here Ela do it when you entered it. 14:07:25 Damn car commercials. 14:07:33 Raystm2: don't follow you on this one: "Keeping some forms of evolution in check is called survival of the fittest." 14:07:43 or what your concern is 14:08:14 It's not a major concern. A topical worry more then a felt thing. 14:08:29 Conversationally speaking. 14:09:26 "with a voice like ela's ringin' out there's no way a band can lose!" 14:09:28 Survival of the fittest is the very definition of keeping some forms of evolution in check. The lion checks the gazelle... 14:09:29 now that song I do have 14:09:42 :) 14:10:29 that's basically what you said, almost sorta makes sense. 14:10:32 what's your concern? 14:10:55 Keeping a form of modern evolution in check with something like wikipedia is a simple jump to freezing language, or even making sure people "stay like we are now". 14:10:59 don't see how evolution is kept in check 14:11:56 rather, I don't see that evolution is kept in check at all 14:12:11 seems to me it goes on it's marry way 14:12:18 There is a vast number of people that believe we are perfectly made and any variation from that is to be shunned. Sorta natral that way. But with world wide communications, you can keep a handle on the differance world wide. 14:12:51 and it seems to me that the survival of the fittest is a mechanism by which evolution proceeds, not something that checks its progress 14:13:37 I doubt there are many people who think they are perfect 14:13:59 I suppose it depends on your point of view. If you are currently on the endangered species list, you might see where i'm comming from. not top down, but as one of the very species. 14:14:35 All people that are spawn of religion have to agree with the suposition that a perfect god made them perfect. 14:14:40 don't think I've ever met anybody over 14 or heard of anybody who hasn't compared two human bodies and decided one was more attractive 14:14:58 There are a great number of people that believe such. 14:15:12 they're bulshitting you and/or themselves 14:15:20 Agreed. 14:15:23 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-088-068-223-042.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:15:35 there are very few people who actually believe things are the way they should be 14:15:44 there's many many people who are trying to convince themselves of this 14:15:56 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 14:16:10 but in actual practice, they have thousands of things per day happen that they think shouldn't be happening 14:16:12 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 14:16:15 I hope you are correct. 14:16:30 it shouldn't be so cold out, there shouldn't be socks on the floor, I shouldn't have a zit, I should be more awake 14:16:33 etc etc etc 14:16:39 that's before even getting out of bed 14:17:29 From what i've seen in the 18 time zones that i've crossed on earth is that there are a great number of people that couldn't possibly have the brain power to follow even our conversation to this point. 14:17:31 US too. 14:18:27 I'll concede that there may be a lot of people who _say_ everything's perfect 14:18:56 but they don't believe it 14:19:21 if they did they'd be joyous, and wouldn't be preaching damnation 14:19:54 We each fault the point with 'Always and Never' style comments. This will get us into circular argument. 14:21:06 JasonWoof: everything is perfect, which includes us suffering. It's all part of the plan. 14:21:16 BUT i'm having a wonderful conversation with someone that can keep up toe to toe and I appreciate that much atleast. :) 14:22:42 Raystm2: where've I made always/never statements? 14:22:55 They they'd same thing. 14:23:10 Everytime everyone same thing. 14:23:21 lament: you think suffering is perfect? 14:24:04 According to some aspects of some religions, suffering is the deffiniton ( must find a new phrase) of perfection. Jesus most perfect, suffered. 14:24:04 JasonWoof: you think it isn't? Describe your perfect world then. 14:24:54 You can't define comfort with out discomfort. 14:24:55 suffering is when I don't think the world is perfect 14:25:08 I experience suffering, therefore I don't consider the world perfect 14:25:53 what an egotistic point of view :) 14:25:56 Easy enough to follow. How about this point of view. There is no perfection with out suffering. 14:26:05 Raystm2: I just read over what I've said here, and I can't find any place where I've refered to everybody. Please re-read 14:26:26 Raystm2: i don't think it's about perfection; it's just that without suffering the world would be a terribly boring place 14:26:55 there would be pretty much nothing you could do, since pretty much anything you can do could inflict suffering on somebody 14:27:02 many many very few what is the difference? I'm I off here? 14:27:11 I don't know what a perfect world would be like 14:27:29 I think it wouldn't have rape or disease, but I'm open to being wrong about that 14:27:51 --- join: kardinal (n=kvirc@e180162088.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined #forth 14:28:02 Lets ask a Kardinal? 14:28:21 Raystm2: yes 14:28:31 There are the jokes, guys. 14:28:38 saying "most people" is _very_ different than saying "all people" 14:28:39 these even lol 14:28:45 how? 14:28:58 most is some specific number in relation to all how? 14:29:06 example: "most people are female" is true. "all people are female" not true. 14:29:24 --- quit: kardinal (Client Quit) 14:29:24 most is anywhere more than half and less than all 14:29:32 you still have to prove that with a number either way. 14:29:41 I don't have to prove anything 14:29:46 I see. now we have a range. we can work with a range. 14:29:59 you just gave me a range of most. 14:29:59 --- join: kardinal (n=kvirc@e180162088.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined #forth 14:30:06 we had one before. that's why we're both talking in english 14:30:11 that've very nearly a number 14:30:17 lol :) 14:30:26 at least I'm asuming you are too 14:30:27 seems that way 14:30:40 most of the things you say make sense as english utterences 14:30:47 I'm autistic. you will have to be alot more specific. 14:31:37 so somewhere between 51% and all is where I stand, logical wise? 14:31:45 I can live with that. 14:31:48 well, that explains a lot. always wondered why you seem to stab in the dark at language rather than using it rather literally and specifically like most folks in these programming channels 14:31:57 Says much for the meds I take. 14:32:18 I'm not a programmer. 14:32:19 what? where you stand? did I say you were "most"-something? 14:32:51 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:32:53 mostly not ignorant, is what I took you to mean. Meany. :) 14:33:51 All you need left to learn about people, JasonWoof, is that even tho we speak the same language, many of us place differing values on different words. 14:34:15 It's all variable. 14:34:25 Not a precise art. 14:34:38 Much depends on experiance. 14:34:41 Education. 14:34:48 Medical need. :) 14:35:06 yeah, but most of us know what "most" means 14:35:10 also, context is important 14:35:26 * Raystm2 remembers a president asking for the definition of is. 14:35:30 we're speaking in a channel where it's the norm to speak very literally and technically 14:35:54 is doesn't really mean much by itself 14:36:00 --- quit: Raystm2 ("Should have paid the bill.") 14:36:00 it's part of gramatical constructions 14:36:12 actually is means quite a lot :) 15:03:47 --- join: crc (n=charles@c-68-81-251-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:04:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:06:34 --- quit: kardinal ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 15:17:27 --- quit: tgunr_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:32:13 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:37:28 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@70.102.202.140) joined #forth 15:57:34 --- quit: mark4 ("Leaving") 16:32:37 --- quit: Maki ("Leaving") 17:11:34 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 17:17:13 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 18:13:23 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@70.102.202.140) joined #forth 18:31:00 --- quit: mark4 ("Leaving") 19:34:05 --- join: bjorkintosh (n=bjork@ip72-204-41-71.fv.ks.cox.net) joined #forth 19:34:13 woohoo i'm unbanned. 19:34:21 how did i get banned to begin with? hmm. 20:04:36 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 20:04:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 20:52:28 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:10:33 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:10:58 hi 21:11:26 hi 21:11:33 Hi. 21:13:02 hi 21:13:20 * slava is adding inheritance to his object system 21:13:31 Your great object died, and left you lots of money. 21:15:11 yup 21:17:29 --- join: charles54 (n=charles@cvs.cx) joined #forth 21:21:37 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124-120-229-129.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 21:48:42 --- quit: Quartus` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:47:25 --- quit: charles54 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.03.25