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14:00:59 <Quartus> Hi.
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14:57:01 <TreyB> Howdy.
14:57:17 <Quartus> How goes it, Trey?
14:57:44 <TreyB> Not bad, although for logistics reasons I missed out on the gumbo today :-(
14:57:54 <Quartus> Downer.
14:58:17 <TreyB> But to make up for it I bought a new lawn mower:  http://www.dixiechopper.com/model_se.php 
14:58:36 <Quartus> Looks like a hot-rod.
14:58:49 <TreyB> It mows *fast*.  Really fast.
14:58:51 <Quartus> Heh.
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16:07:23 <Raystm2> Alright, crc. Where'd ya go?
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17:00:53 <Quartus> Hey Ray.
17:01:28 <Raystm2> Hi Q! What's with Neal?
17:01:37 <Raystm2> You doing okay?
17:02:20 * Raystm2 may be on a slight manic today so beware. no reason for it. can't blame the Oprah world classroom online. lol ;-)
17:03:04 <Raystm2> But I did make a bit of a superstitious connection to Oprah's newest endeavor and the end times.
17:03:27 <Raystm2> Turns out, the author she is speaking with these 10 weeks in class online is named...
17:03:56 <Raystm2> E track to hell no wait that's Eckhart Tello. 
17:04:49 <Raystm2> Is that funny? no? ( **crickets** )
17:07:20 <Quartus> I went hysterically blind when you said "Oprah".  I'm afraid I missed a few lines.
17:07:37 <Raystm2> :)
17:07:39 <Raystm2> lol
17:07:59 <Quartus> I prefer to take my evil-incarnate in more dilute form.
17:08:31 <Raystm2> Hey, don't discount millions of people in 139 countries all being asked to stop thinking and give up ego for happyness.
17:08:39 <Raystm2> I get that. hehe.
17:09:25 <Quartus> Give up ego?  Oprah, who has a magazine named "O" on the cover of which she, and she alone, appears?
17:09:32 <Raystm2> "we will teach the Christians to be Buddists" lol
17:09:58 <Raystm2> Alas, a like intellect! Thank Goodness incarnate.
17:10:39 <Quartus> I'm all for 'end times'.  A number of things would benefit us all by ending.
17:10:41 <Raystm2> EGO = Earth Goes OPRAH.
17:11:23 <Raystm2> This is true. Would help the Myan Calendar.
17:13:29 <Raystm2> I could stop paying my landlady for usage of laundry machines.
17:14:01 <Raystm2> A definitive age of good Scotch.
17:14:54 <Raystm2> This line of thougth.
17:15:06 <Raystm2> Even if I could spell.
17:15:15 <Quartus> The whole Oprah thing could end, suddenly and without warning.  That'd be good.
17:16:03 <Raystm2> Hmm, I suppose there are Aussies that "know how" to execute such a thing online...
17:16:37 <Quartus> I would rather the veil be lifted from the followers' eyes.
17:16:57 <Raystm2> They claim that as their own intent. 
17:17:01 <Raystm2> No kidding.
17:17:37 <Raystm2> It's entitled, "A New Earth: Awakening to your lifes purpose".
17:18:01 <Raystm2> Millions of followers to this newest of cults.
17:18:20 <Raystm2> AND the bulk of them are Market-to-able.
17:18:30 <Raystm2> Creditcard and all.
17:20:12 <Raystm2> You need the book, and the book club, plus your local book club, and the dues that includes, plus the special marker and special postits that mark the important bits, and on and on... not to mention the book and the all of the workbooks. Shesh.
17:21:51 <Raystm2> Speaking of books... progress?
17:22:29 <Quartus> Slow.
17:22:33 <Quartus> Life intevening.
17:22:37 <Quartus> But it's happening.
17:22:48 <Raystm2> As it should be. I wouldn't rush perfection.
17:23:05 <Raystm2> AND perfection can be had with this subject, I do think.
17:23:17 <Quartus> Well, I don't know about perfection, but.
17:23:29 <Raystm2> Something very very close.
17:23:39 <Quartus> What else is going on?
17:23:57 <Raystm2> Nothing. I'm bored out of my gourd.
17:24:06 <Quartus> Write software!
17:24:10 <Raystm2> I drive my son and wife to work. This I can still do.
17:24:38 <Raystm2> Pain is pretty good. Hands and feet especially.
17:24:46 <Raystm2> I'm haveing a pretty good day today tho.
17:24:55 <Quartus> I see typing, so.
17:26:08 <Raystm2> I feel my fingers in my left hand, and the palm of my right is very similar to my feet, where the toes are numb and the right foot has a similar palm-like pain that inludes a muscle that has a bunch of scaring.
17:26:43 <Raystm2> This scaring is wrapped around nerve and it can be very irritating.
17:27:48 <Quartus> Diabetes related, I assume?
17:28:11 <Raystm2> Lol imagine the feeling that superstition used to say about the palms getting "monies comming" itchy, but all the time.
17:28:13 <Raystm2> ya.
17:28:46 <Raystm2> and the money don't come. :(
17:28:55 <Quartus> There's new research, PKC-inhibitors.  Can reverse nerve damage.
17:29:05 <Raystm2> Gosh I hope so.
17:29:15 <Raystm2> May have to sneak into your country...
17:29:32 <Raystm2> Wait, I suppose there are legal ways.
17:29:38 <Quartus> Joslin's doing the research, they're in Boston.
17:30:10 <Raystm2> Wonder if they can use a Guinea Piggy.
17:30:20 <Quartus> I'd be finding out, were I you.
17:30:48 <Raystm2> I take that as excellent advice and a very good reason for talking to you today. Much thanks. :)
17:30:52 <Quartus> :)
17:32:03 * Raystm2 at joslin.org
17:32:23 <Raystm2> you know, I've neer been here. Thanks again!
17:34:39 <Raystm2> oh, neat. There are studies with need for people of my like.
17:40:58 <Raystm2> Quartus: have you seen / heard from crc in the recent past?
17:41:34 <Quartus> yes, he's been around.
17:41:41 <Raystm2> I talked with him briefly last month. I thought he'd be closer to Retro10 about now...
17:41:49 <Raystm2> Okay cool. thanks.
17:42:28 <Raystm2> Have I missed anything at C.L.F or shall I go?
17:42:40 <Quartus> Just ranting from the usual suspects.
17:43:23 <Raystm2> You save actual life/seconds everytime you warn someone off. It adds up, you know? :-)
17:43:52 <Quartus> :)
17:44:47 <TreyB> Hendrix posted his 64bit Stack Oriented Design VM thing.
17:45:18 <TreyB> I played with that a bit.
17:45:28 <Raystm2> Hendrix is alright. and so are you for mentioning him. Was is cool?
17:45:38 <Raystm2> I don't go that wide yet. :(
17:46:55 <TreyB> I liked it.  He has a tight little VM interpreter in C and the forth equivalent, and it can bootstrap itself.
17:47:19 <Raystm2> Sweat.
17:47:26 <TreyB> heh
17:51:13 <Raystm2> I suppose I could byte the bullBit and get something in a 64bit machine, but then where would I be when "they" come out with the 128 bit machine?
17:53:01 <TreyB> You won't see 128bit machines for many, many years.
17:53:07 <Raystm2> Yikes someday machines will be passing whole machines as the bit pattern. 
17:53:27 <Raystm2> I'm sure you are correct. :)
17:54:06 <Raystm2> When you need last years model just to support the opperating system, Moore's law catches up quick.
17:54:08 <TreyB> We didn't really get 64bit machines until you could *almost* afford to put all the RAM in a 32bit machine.
17:55:38 <Raystm2> Well said.
17:55:57 <TreyB> Today's 64bit machines only have 44 or 48 bits of physical address space.  Even so where would you put 256TB of RAM.
17:56:21 <Raystm2> Central Control. 
17:56:49 <Raystm2> You rent time on it. lol :)
17:58:12 <TreyB> Assuming they double the RAM densities every year instead of 18 months, you'll have 16 years before they start to bump up against the RAM ceilings.
17:58:16 <Raystm2> It doesn't cost very much to rent, but all the systems that are linked to this RAM need the address space to share in it. lol
17:58:32 <Raystm2> Cool. 
17:59:53 * TreyB bails to stuff his kids into their beds.
18:00:06 <Raystm2> I suppose, like the brain, there comes a point when the size of the physical memory is a detriment to the speed of execution.
18:00:17 <Raystm2> Cool. Gn Childrens.
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18:04:42 <Raystm2> Good evening Mr. Childers.
18:06:01 <crc> good evening Ray
18:06:29 <Raystm2> Sites are looking good.
18:06:48 <Raystm2> I've been fixing links at forthFreak for you and me and others ...
18:08:01 <crc> thanks
18:10:44 <Raystm2> Retro10?
18:10:52 <Raystm2> How's it coming?
18:16:21 <crc> pretty nicely
18:16:47 <crc> I've been offline for the last week, so had a good bit of time to work on it
18:41:06 <Raystm2> I see. Is the archive updated then?
18:46:48 <crc> no
18:47:16 <crc> It's under on a reiserfs partition, which I can't access from the windows install yet
18:47:26 * crc switched to a cable modem from dsl
18:52:26 <slava> hi guys
18:52:47 <Raystm2> hello slava. lol we should move the convo here crc. :)
18:52:51 <crc> ok
18:52:52 <Quartus> Hi slava.
18:52:54 <Raystm2> be inclusive be be inclusive. :)
18:53:21 <crc> hi slava
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18:56:46 <Raystm2> okay crc. If i've never thanked you in the past for the room for the colorforthray.info site, then I make up for that error now. 
18:56:49 <Raystm2> Thanks. 
19:10:25 <Raystm2> Wikipedia is something else, "I tell you what". I started with Geometry of the Universe and ended up reading all kinds of Edgar Allen Poe(try).
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19:11:39 <Raystm2> If I read the "Raven" "Nevermore" I'll be happy "evermore".
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19:12:47 <Raystm2> But I was totally unaware of his "position" in Cosmology.
19:13:42 <Raystm2> Apparently, for those that didn't already know, and so that I'll retain some of this...
19:13:59 <Raystm2> He is credited with solving why night is dark.
19:15:05 <slava> crc: what's new in retro10
19:17:57 <Raystm2> ya crc, please dump.
19:19:14 <Raystm2> lol Google Retro10 and you get a nike shoe.
19:21:19 <Raystm2> crc have you considered meta-tags on the RetroForth page so that searches for Retro10 might include your page?
19:22:02 <Raystm2> ofcourse RetroForth brings you right to it.
19:23:06 <Raystm2> http://s3.retroforth.org/CORE-CHANGES   <--- slava, = changes as of 03-05-2008
19:32:25 <Raystm2> Oh yeah, crc, I forgot to say, I like the slide presentation of Retroforth 10
19:45:06 <crc> thanks
19:45:22 <crc> slava: retro10 is a rewrite, runs on a portable virtual machine
19:46:04 <slava> hmm
19:46:13 <crc> I have partially complete implementations for x86 Linux and jasonwoof's fovium as well.
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