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14:28:14 good good 14:28:22 hrm...I really don't know about this Dennis Ruffer guy 14:28:34 just finished up a project, got paid, and I'm being taken out for dinner soon by my mom, sister and her man 14:28:42 who dat? 14:29:11 Forth guy 14:29:16 not important 14:29:20 cool cool 14:29:39 What did Dennis do? 14:30:08 Oh, nothing too bad, I guess. 14:30:33 I was just feeling kind of guilty about ignoring his code, but then I looked at it and it's totally half-assed. 14:30:54 s/looked at/tried to use/ 14:31:00 I saw the thread but didn't look closely at his code. 14:31:21 oh, the code in the thread was fine, other than using a bunch of non-standard words 14:31:33 I'm off! 14:31:35 but he tried to merge it into Anton's ttester.fs, and posted a patch to the gforth list 14:31:38 have fun 14:31:46 thanks :) 14:32:09 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 14:32:11 Looks like he just shoehorned his stuff in without really understanding Anton's code. 14:32:22 Or even reading the stack comments of some of the words he changed. 14:32:23 Ah. 14:34:19 Maybe he was in a hurry. 14:34:59 Probably. 14:36:15 It's just a little silly of him to get annoyed at me for reinventing the wheel when he provided code that would take almost as much work to read and understand and fix so it actually works. 14:36:34 Oh well. 14:36:50 It's a bit odd to get annoyed about wheel-reinvention in a Forth context, anyway, especially as regards making a specific tool for specific needs. 14:36:56 That being the point. 14:38:45 :) 14:39:12 I was expecting him to be more sensible than that. 14:39:37 Does he live near Jeff Fox? Maybe there's something in the water. 14:48:25 tathi. what are u trying to do? 14:49:38 better failure messages for the { test code -> expected-results } syntax, basically 14:49:47 I may have gotten a little carried away 14:49:54 :) 14:50:32 When I'm running regression testing using a -> tester, I have it echo each test to the screen... so I can see which one fails/crashes. I always dig into why interactively. 14:50:46 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:52:07 I don't see any reason why I should have to dig into why interactively. 14:53:20 In my experience the fix requires code-review anyway, so I want to pass more values in/out than simply the single test values that failed. 14:53:55 Add additional tests to confirm the absence of the bug. Things like that. 14:55:23 In my experience, if I test as I code, usually knowing the failure values is enough to pinpoint the problem. 14:55:48 Though there are certainly times where I have to add more tests... 14:56:17 Then you'd probably be well-served by a simple capture of the stack output from each test, and a display of same in the event of a testing mismatch. 14:56:22 But quite often it's just some stupid typo or something that's obvious when I see exactly what happened. 14:56:35 exactly 14:56:47 That'd be a minor mod to tester.fs. 14:58:46 yup. That's what Dennis started to do. 15:00:01 None of this is particularly tricky. 15:00:06 No. 15:09:27 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B10414F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:16:18 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:20:16 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-125-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:28:03 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15:28:08 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 16:02:48 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 16:50:34 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 16:50:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 16:57:59 ok so groups.google.com listing of CLF is EMPTY! 16:58:07 did someone delete all of clf? lol 16:59:33 rm -r /internet/google 16:59:35 --- nick: Deformati -> Deformative 17:00:06 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 17:08:55 I440r_: google groups has been buggy today 17:09:10 yea i think they are changing it 17:09:23 i seem to have everything visible now 17:11:20 so is gavino actually learning forth now? 17:11:23 or something? 17:11:39 Nope. Still ten pounds of crap in a five-pound bag. 17:11:48 heh 17:12:02 your book is next :P 17:12:06 is that published ? 17:12:13 No, still in draft. 17:12:17 k 17:15:43 one of gavino's simpering tactics is to claim he's working the initial chapters of an introductory book for whatever comp.lang.* language he's trolling presently, with all kinds of "WOW! THIS IS GREAT" comments. 17:17:59 He drops quickly back into "If is so great, where are the APPZ?!!", etc. 17:19:18 hm, are there any forth implementations for lego NXT platform? 17:19:24 I'm not seeing any... 17:20:34 The only lego forth I know about is Rick Hempel's. http://www.hempeldesigngroup.com/lego/pbForth/homePage.html 17:21:15 that's RCX platform, though 17:21:21 different hardware 17:21:27 Right. 17:43:22 --- quit: maht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:43:45 --- join: maht (n=maht@85-189-31-174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 17:51:35 --- quit: tathi (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:51:35 --- quit: warpzero (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:51:35 --- quit: ccfg (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:51:35 --- quit: rbarraud (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:51:47 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@208.74.136.138) joined #forth 17:51:47 --- join: ccfg (n=pitkajus@tuomi.oulu.fi) joined #forth 17:51:47 --- join: rbarraud (n=rbarraud@gateway.quickcircuit.co.nz) joined #forth 18:08:15 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 18:17:07 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:33:38 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:45:33 --- join: gnomon_ (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:51:48 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:52:19 --- nick: gnomon_ -> gnomon 19:53:58 Quartus, ping? 19:54:44 Hey. 19:57:02 Hey, you're around! E-e-e-excellent. 19:57:24 Is there any chance that there's a test suite for Quartus Forth, or some set of words which exercise a large portion of its functionality? 19:57:38 There is; it's internal, though. 19:58:07 I've finally, *finally* got the Garnet VM running on my N800, and I would really like to give it a proper stretch. 19:58:24 How internal is "internal"? 19:58:38 --- join: malyn_ (n=malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 19:58:51 I haven't packged it for release. 19:59:19 Ah, I see. 20:00:04 --- quit: JasonWoof (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:00:04 --- quit: nighty^ (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:00:06 --- quit: malyn (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:00:36 --- nick: malyn_ -> malyn 20:01:40 What are the chances that I could ply you with $BRIBERY in order to obtain such a set of code? 20:02:00 It's a possibility. What are you testing against? 20:04:38 The 2005-10-14 evaluation release, version 2.0.1 20:04:50 Have you run any of your own tests? 20:05:12 I haven't even installed it yet. Planning to do that tomorrow morning. 20:05:21 That's step one. 20:05:32 :) 20:06:10 Well, yes; but I'm also expecting it to fail in interesting ways, since it ought to exercise the VM quite a bit harder than most PalmOS applications. 20:06:29 I'll have to set you up with the release build. 20:06:36 So you can test stand-alone compilation. 20:07:03 That would be groovy. 20:07:51 (right now I'm really missing the ability to develop on the go; the N800 is a great little device, but compared to my old Palms it's a wasteland as far as on-board development is concerned) 20:10:25 Have you tried any other on-board stuff? 20:10:30 Are there any particular words that you expect will go a bit pear-shaped? Anything that is particularly dependent on hardware idiosyncrasies? 20:10:47 I actually am optimistic about it. 20:11:01 Not yet. I only just got the Garnet VM running on the device; I really want to dive in right now, but I know that if I do that I'll be sacrificing precious sleep. 20:11:24 Indeed. 20:11:50 In fact, in that vein, it's inching past eleven. I was aiming to be asleep at half past ten. 20:11:54 Until tomorrow? 20:12:00 You bet! 20:12:12 Awesome. Catch you then, sir! 20:12:31 'night! 20:14:52 --- join: JasonWoof (n=JasonWoo@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 20:14:52 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 20:19:36 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.246) joined #forth 20:20:35 hi 20:52:03 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:53:39 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Client Quit) 20:55:35 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:56:40 Hey slava. 22:44:54 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 23:13:14 gnomon: you use an n800? 23:29:17 --- join: sauvin (n=sauvin@c-98-213-64-53.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:48:25 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.150) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.02.28