00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.02.22 00:24:46 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 00:26:50 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Ray@unaffiliated/raystm2) joined #forth 00:27:27 Quartus, is your wiki down? I'm getting internal error, wait I'll get you the actual error. 00:27:59 Internal Server Error 00:27:59 The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. 00:27:59 Please contact the server administrator, quartus@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. 00:27:59 More information about this error may be available in the server error log. 00:28:43 Cause, trying to link in from even your own link on your products page. 00:28:46 Raystm2: hey, no posting other people's e-mails online 00:28:47 Report ends... 00:28:54 WHat? 00:29:16 3rd line, 6th word 00:29:20 Sorry, JasonWoof, I don't follow. 00:29:29 oh. 00:29:31 dang. 00:29:33 hmmm 00:29:43 he probably gets lots of spam anyway... 00:29:47 ;) 00:29:54 didn't realize it was a rule, I shall never do it again. 00:30:00 yikes! that serious? 00:30:08 hmm... Sorry Q :( 00:30:33 * Raystm2 hides head in corner. 00:31:27 Funny, I don't remember where the head in the corner comes from. 'snot mine. 00:33:31 lol I have a cell phone now, for the first time in my life, and no one calls me 'cept Nan. :) 00:33:48 Well, R3 calls, but only when he needs a ride or cash lol. :) 00:34:16 sounds nice 00:34:31 sometimes I wish nobody except my lady friend called me 00:34:40 This is so true. 00:34:53 the e-mail thing is only a problem because this channel is logged, and thus will be picked up by the spam spiders 00:35:34 I'm getting the gist of what happens. I can only imagine the floodgates I may have opened. 00:36:04 If one of the 10 main spammers in the world gets a hold of the address... 00:36:14 Life time spam. 00:36:52 Can and all. 00:37:35 it's hard to keep your e-mail a secret for too long 00:37:43 I get about 300 spams per day 00:37:49 Pro'lly I'll see Quartus redirect the address to one of mine and make me pick thru them for him, give me something to do, anyway. 00:37:57 only 1-3 get through the spam filterer though 00:37:59 20 here. 00:38:13 Rare for me but they do get by, 00:38:38 been a few too many getting through lately, probably I should update spamassassin 00:38:58 :) get it! :) do it now. lol 00:39:42 I seem to travel to similar sites over and over, and rarely to the populated culture sites like MySpace, but Tiff goes there. 00:40:26 I suppose I don't trigger to many spambots or what ever they are called when they capture you. 00:41:01 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 00:41:29 BUT moving to Denver has turned my land line into a "Please take this survey?" service. I get several calls a day. 00:42:00 Sometimes I actually do the survey, can't say why. Bored I guess. 00:43:48 I'm fixing links at the colorforth pages of the c2 pattern repository wiki, and Q's here fails. The need here is to remove kris Johnsons old link and send them to Quartus. 00:45:21 This, obviously, in turn, will make Quartus even more traffic and possible prospects for even his own products. :) 00:45:40 WIN WIN WIN 00:47:44 I finally bought the folENdar.com.info.org.net.us for about 60 bucks. Getting closer to my own business site every day. :) 00:52:35 myspace is scary 00:53:06 Is it. 00:53:10 although recently I've actually seen a couple myspace pages that had actual legible text on them, and didn't have seizure inducing color combos or anything flashing 00:53:13 I have seen some sites there. 00:53:44 Right. That's all I ever see. The amaturish pages. The kids stuff. 00:53:50 I have a good geeky local friend who recommended that I get a facebook account 00:53:53 Tiff has one... 00:54:01 I said "why?" and he didn't answer 00:54:11 Facebook. hmm. checking it out. 00:54:18 dunno if he realized that I have a website already, or if he thought I meant "that's stupid" 00:54:44 my impression is that facebook is similar to myspace 00:54:51 but doesn't allow such violation of the spectrum 00:54:55 or at least doesn't encourage it 00:55:22 only sucky thing I know about facebook is that you need an account to view image galleries 00:58:41 I see. 00:58:46 thanks for telling me this. 00:58:48 lol 00:58:54 I got off on a tangent 00:59:09 I started to look at opera's key shortcuts. 00:59:47 I like them. Need to practice them, they are different then ones that seem to be used everywhere and originally developed for WORD. 01:00:28 lol I hid the Opera browser before I learned how to get it back. :) 01:00:43 oy 01:00:53 better than going into fullscreen mode and not knowing how to get back :) 01:01:02 Double click on the icon in the task bar. 01:02:16 Done that too, during a movie. A not ready for prime-time movie as someone was entering my room. Fortunately it was Nan, but I did learn every way to get the screen back or to disable the display incase some child enters the house. 01:02:35 one click should do it 01:02:48 Normally right-click does do it. 01:02:48 well, depends if the window is already active 01:03:00 thought right-click got you a menu 01:03:08 But sometimes you get the movie's control or other settings when you right click. 01:03:22 oh, you mean the launch icon not the box representing the open w indow? 01:04:10 wicked, I figured out how to get input history in pidgin (IM client I'm using) 01:04:12 SO even better and so much faster to ALT-TAB to an open browser window or open text document that you have ready for just such an exercise. 01:04:26 up arrow doesn't work by itself... but ctrl-up works 01:05:03 * JasonWoof hugs his window manager 01:05:04 I'm not familure with pidgin yet. How do you like it for chatting? 01:05:08 lol :) 01:05:14 it's good 01:05:44 it's not fantastic for irc, but that's fine. I'm not a power user 01:05:49 it supports /join and such 01:05:50 Now, what's this relationship you seem to be having with the manager of your window? 01:05:51 :) 01:06:00 cool. 01:06:15 I really like being able to get to the windows I want very quickly, and with just the keyboard 01:06:30 I've got a window manager that helps me with this, and I'm currently quite happy with it 01:06:34 Is this software that you found and have been tweeking? or something you wrote? 01:06:35 called wmii 01:06:47 I've tweaked it a bit 01:06:51 from suckless.org iirc 01:06:55 I would figure... 01:07:01 on my laptop I've only messed with the settings 01:07:02 thanks. :) 01:07:08 ya. 01:07:11 on my desktop I actually hacked the code 01:07:13 but the tower? 01:07:15 ya. 01:07:17 cool. 01:07:39 I upgraded to the devel version of ubuntu I've got on my laptop and wmii version here is better 01:07:45 I too like to use the keyboard for eveything. 01:08:08 wish I had more ram 01:08:24 what do you need to be satisfied? 01:08:25 this lappy doesn't support much ram, though it could take a bit more than it has 01:08:33 sex, lots of sex 01:08:39 AHAHA 01:09:09 haven't seen my gf since Monday 01:09:33 Can't help you there. Most of my family that lives near enough to you to help aren't really all that atractive. 01:09:45 Y? she working or something? out of town? 01:11:22 I talked to tathi a bit the other day, but I don't think he ever answered me on how the farm is fairing the winter months, so far. 01:16:58 she lives far away 01:17:06 I'm moving in with her on Saturday 01:17:41 so there's a good chance I won't have to go this long without seeing her until August 01:19:43 Neat for you. Good deal. What happens in August, school? and where abouts will you be moving to? you say far. 01:20:17 and hope y'all have a great spring and summer together. I love love. 01:24:35 man wmii just keeps getting better the more I learn how to use it 01:24:53 earlier today I learned how to put split the screen vertically with the keyboard 01:24:57 super easy 01:25:17 the obvious keypress for moving something side-to-side 01:25:36 so if I press the "move left" keys and there's nothing to the left it adds a column over there 01:25:49 and there's a setting for how wide the column is by default 01:26:06 (I just now put in a very nice default that works great for the gimp and pidgin 01:26:40 oh, she's in Boston (Cambridge) and I'm in Northampton MA 01:26:50 2.5-3 hours on the bus 01:27:05 neither of us have cars 01:27:28 Oh, August I'm going on vacation a couple of times. I doubt she'll go to the first one 01:27:40 I usually go for two weeks, but I'm thinking I might not want to 01:52:08 I see. 01:53:09 Cool about the window manager too. Sounds like it's pretty versitile. 02:06:01 yeah 02:06:11 and it's actually being updated... 02:06:22 in ways I actually appreciate no less! 02:06:39 the last WM I used was kinda cool, but was developing in weird directions 02:06:41 frustrating 02:07:03 this seems to be more powerful, less annoying, easier to configure (WAY easier to configure) and seems to get useful updates regularly 02:09:06 whew! two hours converting pages finished! 02:09:14 now to make a few new ones before I crash and burn 02:10:24 Good luck. I'm crashing already. keep nodding off. loggin off. :) 02:10:28 gn :) 02:10:37 --- quit: Raystm2 ("Should have paid the bill.") 02:41:07 --- quit: sauvin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:16:02 --- quit: JasonWoof ("Leaving.") 04:08:34 --- quit: crest__ (Client Quit) 04:09:07 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5B106B34.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:25:09 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p5141-adsau16honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 07:15:25 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:08:58 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 08:23:13 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@189.25.201.107) joined #forth 08:35:15 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:38:03 --- quit: ramkrsna ("Leaving") 09:29:12 --- quit: aspect (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:01:24 --- join: otesanek (n=otesanek@217.195.209.4) joined #forth 10:12:19 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@pdpc/supporter/student/gentoo.contributor.ttuttle) joined #forth 10:12:22 Hey. 10:12:40 Quartus, Quartus___: How are things? 10:13:41 --- part: ttuttle left #forth 10:15:26 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@c-76-120-54-133.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:52:18 --- join: neceve (n=ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 10:54:53 --- part: otesanek left #forth 10:57:32 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-5019c3cb5ad7a58c) joined #forth 11:35:51 --- quit: neceve (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:18:35 --- part: edrx left #forth 12:25:49 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:21:04 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-204-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:29:20 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13:29:24 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 13:43:27 --- join: skas (n=skas@mf05f36d0.tmodns.net) joined #forth 14:12:07 --- quit: skas ("Ex-Chat") 14:32:43 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:32:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 15:09:18 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B1078E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:10:46 --- join: swestres (n=hihihi@Doc-14-47.veberod.com) joined #forth 15:20:25 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:37:10 --- quit: uiuiuiu (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:38:17 --- join: uiuiuiu (n=ian@schihei.net) joined #forth 15:45:35 --- join: Bushmills (n=nl@verhau.de) joined #forth 15:45:40 g'day 15:48:40 : foo 50 0 do I . 10 +loop ; -> 0 10 20 30 40 15:48:40 : bar 0 50 do I . -10 +loop ; -> 50 40 30 20 10 0 15:48:40 : hmm -50 0 do i . -10 +loop ; --> 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -50 15:48:40 what's the rationale behind that extra iteration with negative loop increment? 15:49:41 Bushmills: "If the loop index did not cross the boundary between the loop limit minus one and the loop limit, continue execution" 15:50:04 Guess they didn't think of negative numbers? 15:50:36 can't say I'm extremely happy with this behaviour 15:51:06 depending on up or down, one iteration less or more. 15:52:36 I'd almost call dpans broken in that respect 15:54:13 Unless there's some Higher Cause behind it, I'd agree with you :) 15:54:44 therefoe my question about the rationale of it 15:56:20 Just guarding my back in case such a cause whould exist 15:56:32 hi all 15:56:38 hi slava 15:56:40 hey slava 15:57:38 my problem is now, how to explain to +loop users why this is the case, or should I violate dpans? 15:58:10 nor happy with either choice 15:58:13 not 15:59:56 You could explain it by saying "it's the standard" 16:00:16 they'll ask "what standard" 16:01:12 "ah ,, a forth standard" .. "what does this have to do with forth, and why does this need to adhere to a forth standard...." 16:01:19 :) 16:01:24 gforth has -loop 16:01:38 How else are you going to make it work in both directions? 16:01:43 (this is not "a" forth 16:01:45 ) 16:02:59 tathi, by xoring the difference between index, limit before and after adding index 16:03:08 ehm ... increment, I mean 16:03:33 if it was not intended to work in both directions, then why does it take a signed integer from the stack? 16:03:46 (it equals +loop) 16:04:08 Of course, the range could be positive... 16:04:16 tathi, that yields standard behaviour. for "correction", increment result by one if increment is negative. 16:06:57 oh, you'd correct it 16:07:00 sure 16:09:01 http://forthfreak.net/snap/1203725306082418072.png that's be the base 16:09:11 sorry for weird language 16:09:41 sort of emulates missing sign overflow bit 16:23:37 --- quit: swestres ("sömn") 16:39:22 --- join: foxchip (n=fox@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 16:47:43 --- join: slavafone (n=pocketir@32.151.173.159) joined #forth 16:51:56 --- quit: crest_ ("This computer has gone to sleep") 16:53:35 --- quit: slavafone (Remote closed the connection) 16:57:30 Bushmills: sorry, what result are you incrementing if the increment is negative? 17:00:28 --- quit: foxchip (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:04:04 --- quit: forther (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:11:32 tathi: both differences. probably easiest by incrementing limit (used by both differences) by one. same as pretending that limit is one higher than it actually is. 17:13:42 though providing an additional -loop appeals more 17:14:15 can be made symmetric without testing for any specific cases 17:14:32 in addition to not having to violate a standard 17:15:23 only shortcoming is see atm is with calculated loop increments 17:15:37 but that's a pretty specific case anyway 17:24:17 I'm not bound to any standard for this app, but I prefer to 17:24:43 (this is still macro/script language for a programmers' editor) 17:26:42 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:27:44 this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/efte/ 17:30:26 many of those may be familiar: http://efte.cowgar.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?StackCommands 17:35:34 we benchmarked non-trivial macros yesterday. (500000 lines file aligned at specified char per line). where emacs took 8500 seconds, and vim about 600 seconds, ours completed in 22 secs. 17:35:56 cool 17:35:57 while being far less complex 17:50:29 oh, in fact I violate standard already with "do" 17:50:42 "do" implements in fact "?do" 17:52:24 (skips loop if limit = start) 17:54:09 couldn't envision a single situation where with limit=start execution of almost infinite times loop is preferable to not at all. 17:55:12 excluding calculated increments again. 18:26:05 hi Bushmills 18:38:00 --- join: saon_ (n=saon@fl-71-1-153-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 18:38:18 --- part: saon_ left #forth 18:55:47 --- quit: forther (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:59:36 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:01:56 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:02:14 --- quit: forther (Client Quit) 19:27:10 --- join: aspect (i=aspect@burns.dreamhost.com) joined #forth 20:40:58 --- join: forther (n=chatzill@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:43:37 --- quit: forther (Client Quit) 22:05:59 --- join: sauvin (n=sauvin@c-98-213-64-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:28:13 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:28:19 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:28:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:53:50 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:54:02 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:54:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.02.22