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The Boston Public Library let me online... sortof 08:36:20 made me get a card first 08:36:36 then I get online and almost every port I can think of is blocked 08:36:53 no AIM, jabber, irc, ssh, 2202 08:37:11 just http probabl 08:37:50 guy said they don't allow ssl 08:38:26 sensorship irks me in general, but from a library it's unacceptable 08:39:28 blocking ports isn't censorship, per se. 08:52:53 just blocking entire methods of communicating, rather than specific messages 08:52:56 fine line I say 08:53:57 seems to me the purpose of a library is the free exchange of information 08:54:20 which I think IRC does rather nicely 08:55:04 I asked an admin guy if there was a way I could get a port unblocked, and he said that ssl is not allowed 08:55:34 usually libraries are pretty into privacy 08:56:37 many libraries in the US decided that they would refuse to comply if the government asked for peoples lending records 08:57:17 some recent legislation (I think it was the "Patriot" Act) gives the goverment the right to damand those documents 08:57:25 (which many people say is unconstitutional) 08:58:40 I was also pissed because I went there to work, and they're blocking the ports I can use to update websites 08:59:18 --- join: X-Scale (i=email@89-180-206-32.net.novis.pt) joined #forth 09:02:03 They're not supressing or deleting information; they're just controlling how you use their facilities. 09:03:50 They have no control over the information itself. 09:04:35 they're blocking all information they don't have the ability to sensor 09:05:08 They're blocking methods of access. It's not really so different from saying you can't use your skateboard in the library. 09:06:29 Take it from the other angle. If I provide information only via port N, am I committing an act of censorship not to also provide it on all other ports? 09:07:27 if you're telling me that the only communication method I'm allowed to use is the one where I have no privacy then that bugs me 09:07:42 when there are others just as easily accessible where I can have privacy 09:08:10 I don't know if that's the case there, and I understand that it bugs you. It's just not censorship. 09:08:11 if it were easier to just provide access to port 80 then I might be willing to concede that they're just being lazy 09:08:15 but this is not the case 09:09:23 ok, maybe it's not cencorship 09:10:25 my real issue is that they're given money so that they can support the free sharing of information, then they're spending some of that money to go out of their way to make it more difficult for people to share information. 09:10:59 They're following a set of guidelines to prevent what they consider to be possible abuse. 09:11:09 my tax dollars at work to make it more difficult for me to get any work done or communicate in private 09:11:26 I doubt it 09:11:39 Really? What do you think is their rationale, then? 09:11:39 I but it's because they're afraid that parents will say that their kid figured out how to see porn 09:11:53 Give it a try; I'll bet you can find port 80 porn. 09:12:00 heh 09:12:01 I know you can 09:12:06 Then, that's not it. 09:12:10 sure it is 09:12:21 they make you log in, you library card says whether you're of age or not 09:12:32 if not it "filters" the internet 09:12:37 they only know how to filter http 09:12:40 so they block everything else 09:13:00 there may be other reasons 09:13:03 but this one seems plausable 09:13:11 Ok. Filtering content for minors is a kind of censorship. 09:13:16 I understand wanting to block bittorrent and such 09:14:06 I dissaprove of censorship accross the board, but I realize that I'm a minority in this regard 09:14:31 but I do expect institutions that stand for free access to information to stand up for it 09:14:38 stand up for free access that is 09:14:41 not sensorship 09:15:00 I suggest that the kid-friendly computer could be one that is not connected to the internet 09:15:20 Suggest it. 09:16:37 my preference is to not filter or monitor or censor anybody 09:17:10 except basic automated stuff to detect abuse 09:17:29 it's not like kids couldn't get online somewhere else 09:17:41 You can, too. 09:17:46 I am 09:17:53 I believe I mentioned that they block IRC 09:18:13 several times... 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