00:00:00 --- log: started forth/08.01.11 00:21:13 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:44:30 --- join: arke (n=arke@x143.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 00:44:30 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 00:45:45 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 00:49:47 --- quit: arke ("leaving") 00:49:54 --- join: arke (n=arke@x143.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 00:49:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 02:59:25 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 03:22:44 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p7068-adsau17honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 03:40:43 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-66b681bdd07b4c25) joined #forth 03:49:26 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 03:49:39 --- quit: ramkrsna (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:58:38 --- join: arke_ (n=arke@x153.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 04:01:59 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 04:05:20 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:06:43 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 05:15:32 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 05:15:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 05:15:34 --- quit: tathi (Client Quit) 05:29:05 --- quit: probonono (Remote closed the connection) 06:00:10 --- quit: arke_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:13:14 --- join: Maki (n=veselic@adsl-254-159.eunet.yu) joined #forth 06:14:23 Hello all. First time on this IRC thingy... 06:25:21 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124.120.218.169.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 06:50:07 --- join: arke (n=arke@p54A7BD05.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:50:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 07:01:38 --- nick: proteusguy -> proteusguy_sleep 07:44:01 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 07:46:05 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-5dad426e4e73528e) joined #forth 07:51:53 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 07:52:33 Maki: greetings and salutations 07:57:39 Hi tgunr. Is it usualy quiet here like this? 07:58:09 Yep, i very quiet channel, until all hell breaks out 07:58:20 new to Forth? 07:58:35 not quite... 07:59:39 Using it in embedded systems. 07:59:40 I started with Forth in 1977 08:00:10 hwush... I wasn't even born then :) 08:00:41 LOL won't hold against you 08:01:00 ok 08:01:03 I was 3rd person to get FigForth running on a computer 08:01:47 after they released it at the West Coast computer fair, started on Friday night and got my first prompt Sunday morning on a TRS-80 08:01:58 then I said, now what? 08:02:39 Basically stopped using Forth in 2005 after I left Apple but still hang around here 08:03:20 what kind of embeeded systems? 08:03:44 just a moment, my pizza is going burn! 08:03:55 can't have that 08:11:19 here I am. 08:11:56 Industrial automation: hydraulic machines and coordinate guidance... 08:13:38 Apple used Forth? What for? 08:28:50 sorry phone 08:29:11 I started the Open Firmware department there in '95 08:30:02 OF is rad. shame they didn't use it with the intel hardware 08:30:37 agreed, whi i left 08:31:33 wanted us to accomplish what we took 10 years to develop in a year 08:31:40 --- quit: ramkrsna ("Leaving") 08:32:35 they wanted you to do what in a year? 08:33:50 the feature set we had in OF 08:35:03 lots of stuff in OF was usede in the labs and the factories for testing hardware 08:35:54 so apple actually wanted to put OF on the intel hardware, they just didn't tell you soon enough? 08:37:16 actually they didn't tell us, upper management made the decision, we could have had OF running in a month 08:37:42 upper management decided you couldn't? 08:38:35 pretty much, we were as surprized at the intel annoucement as the rest of the world 08:39:01 heh 08:39:08 apple is pretty funny about their announcements 08:39:39 yes, we were pretty well ticked off about not being even invited to the dance 08:39:48 so most of us left 08:40:06 only 1 of the original team is still there 08:40:22 huh 08:40:25 what do you do now? 08:41:08 not much, retired early, just working on some personal projects I have wanted to do for a long time 08:41:56 cool 08:42:40 wish I had money so I could do that 08:42:53 right now trying to figure out why my G5 drives keep getting coorrupted when I use OSX but see fine as long as I use them in OF 08:43:34 it's that damn + 08:43:56 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5B1042E1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:45:03 :) really strange, i thought it looked like the drive controller was doing the damage but I put the Mac into TDM and no problems 08:45:07 (hfs+ caused me some inconveniences) 08:45:43 OF supports HFS HFS+, and DOS 08:46:57 another one in there to i think NTFS maybe, have not looked at that code for a while. OF was originally intended to support multiple OS'es 08:56:10 maybe if they made it free software it would have been used more 08:56:27 speaking of which, do you know anything about openboot or whatever it's called 08:56:43 free BIOS project that has made some kind of API similar to OF 08:57:03 oppenboot was the predesscor to open firmware i think, used at Sun 08:57:15 oh, wrong name 08:57:21 maybe it's called freebios 08:57:21 oh that, yes i have looked at it 08:57:27 openbios? 08:58:03 something like that 08:59:13 openbios looks like the thing 09:02:11 huh. I guess that's not what I was reading about GNU flashing onto their servers 09:02:36 have not been there for a while, there was another project also 09:03:57 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 09:04:23 I just looked up the article I was thinking of. December 2006 artical in the FSF bulletin was about setting up some new servers, and flashing them with LinuxBIOS 09:04:49 it has a brief mention of some versions of linuxbios being able to boot to OF 09:05:36 i know the hardware engineers at Apple were all griping about not being able to write the ad hoc tests in EFI like they used to be able to do in OF 09:06:21 yeah, OF looked like it would be great for hardware development 09:06:41 certainly was nice for writing an OS 09:06:57 I was playing with that a few years ago 09:07:11 although i heard just before i left they had Forth running on top of EFI 09:07:45 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:28:50 Is there any gui sytem written in forth suitable for embedded system? 09:29:10 Anyone? 09:29:36 Free :) 09:30:02 that would depend on your platform, we did a GUI on graphic capable terminals once 09:30:45 what kind of interface do you have to present to the user? 09:31:31 For now I use 128x64 pixels dot matrix display. 09:32:00 should not be too hard to glue one together 09:32:19 I use it in text mode only... 09:32:56 create some primitives for line, rectangle, etc 09:33:05 I'm thinking to start with small TFT and graphich 09:33:38 TFT? 09:34:07 Thin Transistor Film 09:34:21 Color Display 09:35:27 What about Fonts? 09:36:05 For now I use only fixed 5x7 dot 09:36:22 Same thing, should not be too hard to gen up a couple 09:37:22 ok 09:37:56 all depends on how much space you have available to work in 09:38:46 128k Flash 32-bit platform <24k RAM... 09:40:41 I'am looking at NanoX at: http://www.microwindows.org/ 09:41:40 something like that in Fort would be nice... 09:41:45 *Forth 09:44:47 roll up your sleeves and get to work :) 09:45:07 it's just a bunch of bits 09:45:19 :) 10:09:25 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 10:10:09 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-cf594d51f41f3352) joined #forth 10:26:58 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B107240.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:33:30 --- quit: crest_ ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10:34:35 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:54:16 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 11:48:45 --- join: neceve (n=ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 11:54:32 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:18:38 --- quit: ramki (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:45:29 --- quit: ygrek ("Leaving") 13:03:57 --- quit: Al2O3__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:51:16 --- join: snoopy16 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-059-109-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:59:31 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13:59:49 --- nick: snoopy16 -> Snoopy42 14:39:22 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Ray_stma@unaffiliated/raystm2) joined #forth 14:46:26 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5B107240.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:46:32 Happy New Year, late. :) 14:46:42 Hope everyone has been well. 14:48:49 I, for one, have seen my doctor, and the good news is, I have the heart of a person 10 years younger. Where I'm going to keep it, I have no idea. 14:52:42 My doctor also did a test on my neuropathy with a special 258 cycle/sec ( C one octave below mid???) tuning fork that had locking sliders on the forks, I assume to change the frequency. 14:53:29 I can feel said vibraion in when applied to the ankle, but not to the knuckles of the toes. Weird sensation that. 14:53:37 +t 14:55:59 When the fork hits an artery or vien you can feel it right up your leg. :) Tickles. 14:56:18 ie= ei 15:09:19 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B107A0D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:09:46 Driving son to work. bbl. 15:09:50 --- part: Raystm2 left #forth 15:14:18 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Ray_stma@unaffiliated/raystm2) joined #forth 15:14:25 turns out I have twenty mniutes 15:14:37 or minutes in English. 15:17:00 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:19:22 When did cans of pears stop coming with complimentary cherry halves? 15:24:27 --- quit: Maki () 15:33:57 --- part: Raystm2 left #forth 15:36:17 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Ray_stma@unaffiliated/raystm2) joined #forth 15:36:46 --- part: Raystm2 left #forth 15:45:33 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 15:45:51 Hi. 16:26:47 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:55:52 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 16:57:51 --- quit: Quartus__ ("used jmIrc") 16:58:10 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 17:39:18 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:00:55 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:03:56 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p7068-adsau17honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 19:19:12 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201-27-30-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #forth 19:25:45 --- part: edrx left #forth 19:29:44 --- join: arke_ (n=arke@p54A7D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 19:47:22 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:59:52 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-d9690120100158ac) joined #forth 20:03:20 --- join: ramkrsna (n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna) joined #forth 21:42:16 --- quit: proteusguy_sleep (Client Quit) 21:42:39 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124.120.218.169.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 22:11:03 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 23:40:47 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-e40f12c0213ab275) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/08.01.11