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--- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 12:04:02 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@248.sub-70-221-184.myvzw.com) joined #forth 12:14:47 Quartus, you really around? 12:42:43 --- quit: alexshendi ("Leaving") 12:58:59 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:27:14 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:49:14 --- join: foxchip (n=fox@166.129.101.223) joined #forth 13:52:19 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 13:52:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 13:52:44 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5B1044BA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:08:30 --- nick: ccfg_ -> ccfg 14:09:02 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:16:47 --- quit: foxchip (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:23:06 --- quit: ncv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:23:40 --- join: ncv (n=ncv@dyn-85.186.138.32.tm.upcnet.ro) joined #forth 15:00:06 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 15:00:52 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5B107C44.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:04:04 --- quit: Quartus 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to debug allegrocl running as an addin to solidworks, but that is off topic... 16:27:13 what's up with you? 16:27:38 Not too much. Watching the evening pass. 16:28:21 so you must be in the western hemisphere somewhere 16:28:30 Eastern time zone. 16:29:33 what forth[s] do you use? 16:30:03 Quartus Forth, and Gforth, mostly. 16:30:44 are you the author of Quartus Forth? 16:30:49 That's me. 16:31:01 nice 16:31:10 I'm a complete newbie 16:31:35 I want to learn Forth to do machine control 16:31:38 Everybody starts somewhere. 16:32:34 what other languages do you program? 16:32:40 oh, a dozen odd 16:33:52 this may be heresy, but I think it would be cool to boot a lisp implementation with Forth 16:34:08 I don't know if there'd be any advantage. 16:35:49 maybe that's what I don't understand yet, and what draws me to Forth, there is similar thinking you know 16:36:02 Vaguely. 16:36:20 code that is self commenting, neutral syntax 16:36:42 I don't know about neutral syntax. 16:36:49 abstraction i.e. factorization 16:37:20 Factorization is a tool to use to achieve abstraction. It applies to almost all languages. 16:37:57 it applies to all languages but not to all programmers 16:38:23 some programmers like to have a million global variables and one function called "main" 16:38:38 It's not something special that only Forth and Lisp share, however. 16:39:09 it's something that lisp and forth emphasize as a key concept to programming well 16:43:44 i would love to use handhelds but i have trouble with little controls 16:44:52 --- quit: manic12_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:45:55 --- join: manic12_ (n=manic12_@c-71-194-18-28.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:47:28 good evening 16:47:30 --- nick: crc_ -> crc 16:47:44 Soon morning 16:48:06 So I guess good pre-morning to you 16:48:26 what does quartus run on besides palm? 16:49:56 nothing :) 16:50:37 is their a Forth for Siemens devices? 16:50:44 there* 16:50:51 what OS do they run? 16:51:02 Siemens? 16:51:05 yes 16:51:37 for the PLC's I think it is just a custom os 16:52:22 I don't know enough about PLCs because they are really expensive and also very proprietary 16:53:10 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@142.sub-75-202-222.myvzw.com) joined #forth 16:54:02 Siemens practically owns the market for industrial machine controls 16:55:36 I worked for three months at a company who programmed PLCs, and they handed me some code and said, "can you make this do x" 16:55:43 it was forth code 16:55:52 now i'm intrigued 16:59:40 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@189.25.33.143) joined #forth 16:59:57 are there any modern microcontrollers or asics made especially for forth? 17:01:08 hello? 17:04:52 intellisys is doing some chips for use with forth 17:05:24 i shall google, thx 17:07:14 I didn't find any forth systems for use with the siemens plc's, but my quick overview of them makes it look as if they could support one 17:07:58 * crc wonders if we have any manuals/technical documentation on them at work... 17:08:15 Atmel uses Forth in some of their products 17:08:50 yeah, Siemens makes all of the IO modules, you don't want to have to redo all that 17:11:03 Atmel's MARC4 17:11:47 Not very exiting though 17:15:53 --- part: edrx left #forth 17:20:13 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection timed out) 17:21:49 --- join: doublec (n=doublec@203-211-93-38.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined #forth 17:24:32 Quartus Forth runs on the Palm OS Emulators and Simulators, too :) 18:04:41 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:55:00 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@90.sub-75-203-176.myvzw.com) joined #forth 20:10:23 --- join: Al2O3__ (n=Al2O3@90.sub-75-203-176.myvzw.com) joined #forth 20:10:27 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:17:49 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:42:23 --- quit: doublec () 22:37:37 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:37:54 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:37:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 22:40:28 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:41:12 --- join: proteusguy (n=proteusg@ppp-124.120.218.33.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 22:46:24 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 23:37:59 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:38:14 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:38:14 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.11.30