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13:28:05 Windows or Linux? 13:28:14 windows 13:29:12 mr. president, you're learning forth? :o 13:29:24 FICL is nice for starters, especially the older FICLwin build (3.0.3 I think) 13:29:51 hi 13:29:53 It has some nobs (slider, lights) you can read/write to. 13:30:34 yep 13:30:43 ?? 13:30:45 wazat? 13:30:53 I see reva freeforth and gforth 13:30:55 .... 13:31:01 reva is neat 13:31:08 god one? 13:31:13 what reva have gforth lacks? 13:31:24 better libraries 13:31:32 also its more actively maintained 13:31:39 http://ficl.sourceforge.net/ 13:32:25 Or you could write your own. 13:32:54 ?? 13:33:03 who am I to do that? 13:33:10 I dont know perl even 13:34:25 ficl hmmm 13:34:34 ok reva v ficl? 13:35:14 each one exists for a reason 13:35:17 you can't compare them really 13:35:57 hm 13:36:07 ficl for scrpting only? 13:36:36 what do you want to use forth for, w? 13:37:34 content management, web 13:37:42 You want to learn Forth, right? 13:37:54 Ficl win32 3.0.3 is a nice place to start. 13:38:54 nicer than gforth? 13:39:34 Define "nicer". 13:39:41 It's easier for a beginner. 13:40:01 why 13:40:14 It shows the stack in the window as you go, and has some widgets you can control with Forth code. 13:40:22 <--total beginner knows bits of bash 13:40:58 ok 13:41:04 lets install n see 13:43:05 ok 13:43:11 fixlwin icon? 13:44:06 ok 13:44:15 now read starting forth 13:44:38 ? 13:44:41 or wat? 13:44:53 Heh 13:44:55 * Robert thinks bashforth. 13:45:18 Robert, hah :D 13:45:50 georgebush: yes starting forth is a good reference 13:48:07 hm 13:48:16 frreforth wont compute stuff 13:48:21 like 6 7 + . 13:48:25 weird 13:48:30 on win 13:51:11 reva unix only? 13:52:02 x86 only even 13:52:25 cant find anything in docs to look at windows 13:52:27 hm 13:52:35 reva no good on windows? 13:53:17 actually it might run on windows too 13:53:19 but i know its x86 only 13:54:38 reva is based off of an earlier version of retroforth 13:55:01 so yeah, technically it should work on windows plus anything POSIX as long as it's x86 13:55:24 --- quit: Off_Namuh74 (Remote closed the connection) 13:59:35 hm 13:59:40 wont work 13:59:41 ok 14:00:00 got gforth and ficl win going 14:02:06 wha am i missing by not having colorforth? 14:02:17 any tutorial by c moore? 14:02:32 colorforth is too esoteric 14:03:17 heh. Chuck Moore doesn't write tutorials 14:20:02 hm 14:20:07 that stinks 14:21:06 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 14:21:34 ? 14:21:50 so is forth only for small devices? 14:21:59 or is it nice for websites and content apps and biz apps too? 14:22:06 how is factor different from forth? 14:22:18 oreilly factor? 14:23:02 factor the programming language 14:27:54 305.000.000 hits for "factor" in google. bad name.. 14:28:19 (I want to learn forth, too. but probably I'll give up) 14:32:07 it's definitely worth learning 14:32:28 is there a tutorial? 14:32:34 or did you mean forth? 14:32:45 i meant forth 14:33:08 i am not sure how factor actually differs from forth (right now it just seems like any other forth implementation to me) 14:33:32 ah. is there a good :) tutorial of forth? telling me how to write "functions" and "programs"? 14:33:39 yes, many 14:33:54 google for "starting forth" 14:33:55 I started reading some 14:34:03 that's how i learned the basics 14:34:06 Starting Forth is, bar none, the best absolute beginners guide to using Forth. 14:34:47 ah found that some hours ago. but did not start reading 14:40:19 just found the german "forth gesellschaft". they have a magazine with s special about forth on avr/atmel micro controllers.. 14:53:12 ecraven: factor has gc, dynamic typing, lots of libraries 14:53:57 slava: in case you are *the* slava working so much on factor, i was very impressed today by the UI! 14:59:08 --- join: Off_Namuh74 (i=GPS@gateway/tor/x-940136dffef29b10) joined #forth 15:17:15 i am 15:50:56 --- quit: geartooth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:00:18 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233009.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 16:01:57 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 16:31:20 --- join: wossname (n=w@CPE00195b252b77-CM001a666a6e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:38:19 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:45:33 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 17:17:27 back for now. 17:17:54 So, apparently, my bike's front rim had spoke nuts that were sharp, and needed to be filed down. 17:18:17 Inside the wheel there is a band that isolates the tube from the rim itself, precisely to prevent flats from the spoke nuts. 17:18:30 Problem is, that inner band was starting to get really thin. 17:18:42 And, in some places, the nuts were poking through. 17:18:52 So, HOPEFULLY, that problem is fixed. 17:19:03 Whether this cures the perpetual flat problem or not remains to be seen. 17:53:01 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@189.25.59.204) joined #forth 17:53:10 --- join: doublec (n=doublec@203-211-92-51.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined #forth 18:01:11 I had one of those once 18:01:41 It's very annoying. :) 18:01:44 Yeah 18:02:01 New rim strip should fix it though 18:02:20 I hope so. 18:02:42 It is starting to cool off a bit outside in the mornings and in the evenings, which makes for near ideal riding weather. 18:02:45 (as long as it's not raining) 19:00:30 --- quit: doublec () 19:02:17 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:23:50 --- 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