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then hit escape... oops that canceles my typing 17:25:01 so I do it again 17:25:05 third try I remember to hit enter 17:25:12 heh 17:32:15 --- quit: doublec () 17:45:51 Yeah. This is why I'd like to see foot-pedals become more common. It would allow for more universal interfaces to be made. 17:46:00 Humane interfaces for all! 17:46:07 hehe 17:46:12 No foot pedals for me, thanks. 17:46:22 I'll settle for more thumb buttons. 17:46:52 * tathi doesn't necessarily have his feet anywhere near the floor... 17:47:52 --- quit: forther__ ("Leaving") 17:55:17 --- join: doublec (n=doublec@202.180.114.137) joined #forth 17:56:35 yeah, my feet generally don't reach the floor 17:57:48 --- quit: arcus (Connection timed out) 17:58:07 seems a little slow anyway 18:07:29 --- join: ark1 (n=arke@p54A7E159.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:12:27 Ahh, I don't think I'd be able to survive with thumb buttons. 18:12:35 None of my keyboards have any room for them. 18:18:34 How so? 18:19:03 They could either be below the space bar, or you could have a short space bar with thumb keys outside it. 18:25:04 --- quit: arke (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:29:11 When I type, I use my thumbs for the spacebar. :) 18:29:58 Sure, me too. So what? 18:32:44 I'd want the buttons below the space bar 18:33:03 I seem to only use my right thumb for space 18:33:15 Well, I have mouse buttons that sit just below my spacebar on this laptop. 18:33:20 I'm trying to type and pay attention at the same time without typing weird... 18:33:20 Me too, judging from the wear on my spacebar. 18:33:32 If I hold one of the buttons while typing, it becomes incredibly awkward. 18:33:33 heh 18:33:40 In fact, it's substantially worse than using Emacs. 18:33:45 It actually hurts. 18:33:55 yeah, my wear is pretty close to the middle, but decidedly on the right side 18:33:57 I will take the foot pedal anyday. 18:34:28 kc5tja: how close are they to the spacebar? 18:34:43 funny, my right thumb rests quite naturally almost at the center of the space bar 18:35:12 It seems like usually there's a significant gap; I was envisioning just the normal key spacing; two keys right below the spacebar and pretty much in the middle. 18:35:19 I have two weird little buttons on my laptop below the space bar 18:35:20 Same distance as any other key on the keyboard. 18:35:29 they're kinda like the mouse buttons. 18:35:37 they don't do anything noticeable on linux 18:35:52 My mouse buttons are made from the same switches as the rest of the keys. 18:36:00 huh. interesting 18:36:02 What laptop? 18:36:06 IBM T23. 18:36:14 remap them! 18:36:20 uhh ... no. 18:36:23 They're my MOUSE buttons. 18:36:38 hah! mouse buttons are for sissies! ;) 18:36:51 f(*&@#($*@# hate computers 18:37:02 why is copy&paste so problematic 18:37:05 seems like such a simple idea 18:37:40 huh. All the Thinkpads I've seen have mouse buttons that are noticeably different from the rest of the keys 18:37:51 and the part that you press on is spaced much further than the normal keys 18:38:04 though the switch does actually start pretty much right at the keyboard. 18:38:59 on the photos I've seen it looks like they're almost touching the space bar 18:39:04 they would work pretty well for modal buttons 18:39:06 Center to center, the distance from the C key to the spacebar equals the distance from the space bar to the mouse buttons. 18:39:15 tathi: Are you looking at thinkpads with a touchpad? 18:39:22 Mine has the trackpoint instead. 18:39:33 (which I find overwhelmingly superior anyway) 18:40:25 Indeed, I think Raskin identified the IBM Thinkpad as a platform for leap button experimentation. 18:40:39 I'd have to read the book again to find if that's a true recollection or not. 18:41:03 ah. that would probably be it. 18:43:51 http://www.tech2.com/media/images/2007/May/img_6114_ibm_thinkpad_x60s_11.jpg 18:43:55 So yours are closer than this, then? 18:44:37 wow, nice closeup! 18:45:28 I've also seen these: http://stuff.silverorange.com/images/t20/t20_keyboard.jpg 18:45:47 But neither of those are remotely as convenient as a regular keyboard key set at the same level as the spacebar and with the usual spacing would be. 18:49:37 Bwaahahaha -- GForth and DrScheme are both on my laptop now. 18:49:52 nice 18:50:08 Yes, except the buttons are wider. 18:51:20 http://www.laptopcloseout.ca/canada/media/ThinkPad_T23_222.jpg 18:51:22 either of you used pforth? 18:51:34 I've heard of it, but I am not familiar with it. 18:52:02 was suprised to run accross the debian package for it 18:52:43 also, while hunting for a better NES emulator (fceu was running slow when I had the sound off) I ran accross efp 18:52:59 What is EFP? 18:53:03 which is a twinky little open source game for NES 18:53:31 Escape From Pong 18:53:39 you steer the ball and try to get around the AI paddle 18:54:06 Oh, an interesting twist on the game. :) 18:54:10 couldn't find the home page on google 18:54:21 eventually I opened the readme file from the debian package and found the site 18:54:36 I wanted to know why someone would write a game for NES in this century 18:55:19 It was for a game dev competition in 2003, in the "smaller than 1 KiB" category 18:55:29 --- join: jdrake (n=jdrake@fyodor.hcoop.net) joined #forth 18:55:36 Yeah, but it sounds like it'd be a fun game to play though. :) 18:55:49 I assume you "lose" when all the bricks are disposed of. 18:56:01 Sometimes, it's the simplest possible things that are the most fun. 18:56:12 hear hear 18:56:21 Does anyone know of a place where I can get a keypad that has quite a few keys (and the possibility of a 'shift' for additional functions) that is similar to a calculator's keypad? The only ones I am finding are 20 key and about 30$ 18:56:32 there's no dissapearing bricks 18:57:37 http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/ 18:58:18 jdrake: well, that's made to be a one-hand keyboard 18:58:24 not really for calculating 18:58:44 Not quite the same thing as I am looking for. I am making the calculator, so only the input reading functionality is required and price has to be lower. 18:59:42 don't need USB or whatever, just the keypad? 18:59:45 hehe "Compatible with Windows, Mac, and Linux OS" 18:59:54 "Linux OS" is a new one on me 19:00:14 try surplus places maybe 19:00:48 Any names of online places? 19:00:53 sheesh. apple knows how to make its developers nervous about a deadline: http://www.apple.com/ 19:01:18 I just need a 0.1" connector spacing for a breadboard. 19:01:47 hmm...it's been a while... 19:02:21 All Electronics and Electronics Goldmine are two I remember 19:02:33 looks like allelectronics.com and goldmine-elec.com 19:02:51 http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category/300/Keypads.html 19:04:12 grrrr 19:04:21 how do you get to that page that lists all the google services? 19:04:31 the removed the "more..." button from google.com 19:04:49 Similar to what I am looking for. Another idea - are there anything that I could actually create the keypad myself with (and be useable) 19:05:18 I right-clicked the "more" and picked open in new window... 19:05:20 http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/ 19:05:44 man, you can get cheap number pads http://www.buy.com/prod/ge-ho98757-retractable-number-pad-type-a-usb/q/loc/101/202936222.html 19:06:50 jdrake: probably not cheaper than you could find a surplus one... hard to find decent key switches that aren't expensive last time I looked 19:07:54 And it's retractable too! :) 19:08:12 hmm 19:08:18 How would I communicate with it? 19:09:39 dunno. What are you trying to communicate from? 19:10:49 microcontroller 19:11:13 USB is probably tricky then... 19:11:20 --- join: arke (n=arke@p54A7E3F0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 19:11:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 19:11:34 probably easier to do something less modern 19:11:42 ps/2, adb, serial, etc 19:11:52 I2C or SPI would be preferable :p 19:13:21 I'm sure there has to be USB host controllers that interface with SPI by now... 19:14:07 http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3639 19:14:21 hmm... I just might be interested in this chip for the Kestrel... 19:14:34 ftdichip.com might have something by now 19:15:03 How is the kestrel coming anyways? 19:16:49 If I read the paper properly, the SEAforth chips bit-bang USB. It probably takes more effort to support the HID and storage profiles than anything else. 19:16:55 jdrake: http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?products_id=289 19:17:35 $7 keypad. think it's i2c 19:19:06 not sure... maybe you only can use i2c if you hook it to one of these displays: http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?products_id=277 19:19:08 Look nice 19:20:53 I might need to get some stuff from there 19:21:07 A 20x4 display is better than the 7 sgements I was planning to use 19:22:26 --- quit: doublec () 19:27:05 jdrake: The Kestrel is in statis at the moment; work is sapping my energy, and the need to find another job soon is taking what little free-time I have as well. 19:27:45 * kc5tja is also making preparations for a web-based business of my own in case I cannot find a comparable job; the income from the business ought to be sufficient to augment my income. 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