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Just curious. 11:41:04 Occationally, but the channel generally has very little traffic. 11:42:02 yes 11:43:36 Good to know. 11:46:47 sometimes I even say something :) 11:54:38 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-4d708d65245412cb) joined #forth 11:55:15 --- quit: salierix ("Leaving") 12:03:07 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:16:39 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0FFC5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:39:13 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:01:21 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 13:18:32 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:20:50 --- part: typedlambda_ left #forth 13:31:12 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:32:07 --- join: forther_ (n=forther@adsl-70-132-23-143.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 13:34:13 --- quit: forther (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:36:24 --- join: Frek (i=frek@accelerated.speeed.net) joined #forth 13:41:54 --- join: 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("Should have paid the bill.") 15:17:49 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:54:40 hi. 16:15:00 --- join: iano (i=me@63.105.26.46) joined #forth 16:15:56 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:15:57 --- quit: iano (Client Quit) 16:16:07 --- join: iano (i=me@63.105.26.46) joined #forth 16:31:23 --- quit: forther__ ("Leaving") 17:53:41 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:02:48 --- quit: iano () 18:12:42 --- quit: nighty__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:52:32 --- quit: neceve ("Konversation terminated!") 19:18:35 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:33:42 --- join: wossname (n=w@CPE00195b252b77-CM001a666a6e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:49:52 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:13:42 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 20:37:32 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:10:53 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 21:24:07 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:36:06 --- quit: doublec () 21:40:38 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 21:49:02 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas@203-217-61-74.perm.iinet.net.au) joined #forth 22:12:13 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@208.74.136.138) joined #forth 22:37:00 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-54a6ae1934bf8139) joined #forth 23:10:52 --- quit: skas_wk ("I'm outta here.") 23:15:01 --- quit: nighty__ (Client Quit) 23:16:09 kc5tja: ping 23:50:10 evenin' 23:50:28 yo yo 23:51:43 the idea of factor is growing on me 23:53:36 I used to be more into something more low-level/explicit 23:54:00 it really depends on what you want to use the language for 23:54:16 i wouldn't write a web app in forth and i wouldn't write real time software for a microcontroller in factor 23:54:31 yeah 23:54:48 a custom forth still kicks ass for a microcontroller 23:55:30 lately my only reason for wanting a more low-level language (usually C) is for speed 23:55:50 well that's the tricky part isn't it 23:55:58 making a fast implementation of a high level language 23:56:08 and I'm getting more and more that it's quite rare that I need it to be fast at all, and when I do it's usually some tiny piece that needs to be fast 23:56:54 so as long as there's some way of making something fast (even if it isn't terribly convenient) I'm good 23:57:13 the usual answer is to call into C 23:57:20 yeah 23:57:58 factor keeps getting faster but there's a long way to go 23:58:09 I think squeak has some crazy thing set up where it can auto-generate C code to build a native squeak plugin 23:58:11 it's come a long way since the java-hosted interpreter, but still it's too slow 23:58:21 yeah 23:58:28 that stuff is tricky 23:58:37 mostly you can write very fast code, but its not obvious how to do it 23:58:38 there's soo many tricks to optomization 23:58:40 sometimes idiomatic code runs slowly 23:58:47 my goal is to make idiomatic code fast 23:59:38 and there's the problem that optomizing code well usually takes a while 23:59:48 compile time, yes 23:59:53 JasonWoof: the autogenerate-c part in squeak only supports a subset of the language.. but there's exupery (a JIT compiler) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.10.08