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join: H4ns (n=Hans@209.104.244.164) joined #forth 15:35:01 --- join: H4n1 (n=Hans@209.104.244.164) joined #forth 15:36:30 --- quit: H4n1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:37:17 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:59:51 http://jasonwoof.org/jason_s_elevator_ideas 16:00:10 Check out my design for a single/person elevator with no external power 16:00:46 (the power comes from you stepping up a little) 16:01:43 the design has finally gotten to the point where I'd really like to build it 16:02:12 and I think with a railing, it might not actually be that dangerous 16:02:57 --- quit: Snoopy42 () 17:02:10 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:06:37 "it might not actually be that dangerous" -- classic. 17:10:00 JasonWoof: I would strongly suggest working up a more formal description of it, with detail rivaling a patent. 17:10:18 Then, you should copyright it, and license it under the terms of your choice (I'm a fan of creative commons of course). 17:10:31 That way, nobody can (legally) steal your idea. 17:10:38 I think that is quite engenious. 17:11:08 That's like my use of using hills to convert potential to kinetic energy for the purposes of drastically reducing fuel consumption for urban transportation. 17:11:13 thank you 17:12:23 kc5tja: you want all the intersections to be higher than the rest of the roads 17:12:27 ? 17:12:44 so you pick up speed after you leave them and naturally slow as you reach them :) 17:13:04 like the way the bowling balls roll back to you 17:15:07 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096621096.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 17:16:53 re safety: I'm planning on going up 8-10 feet, which I can safely fall 17:16:59 JasonWoof: That was the idea. I know it sounds silly, but I think it has a high degree of actually working. 17:17:21 Bowling ball analogy -- an excellent analogy! I didn't think of that! But, yes, that's what I'm talking about. 17:17:23 kc5tja: trouble with raised intersections is that they hinder visibility 17:17:36 Well, that depends on the curvature. 17:17:44 Sharp curvatures will of course be blind. 17:17:57 But the intersection proper can be flat, but the roads leading to them can be on inclines. 17:18:25 toll booths wouldn't have that problem 17:18:26 It can't *possibly* be any worse than the 1.5 lane roads in upstate NY. ;D 17:18:53 I'm confused -- where did toll booths come into the scene? 17:19:16 I was just thinking that raised toll booths wouldn't have any problem with visibility 17:19:22 since you don't need to see what's coming from the other way 17:19:41 The problem with raised toll booths is that there is the chance of having to brake on the incline. 17:19:48 Re-accelerating will take more fuel than you would save. 17:19:53 mmmm true 17:20:10 maybe just for the EZpass/sunpass 17:20:13 fastlane 17:20:14 etc 17:20:18 * kc5tja nods 17:20:38 or they could just get the technology right, and you wouldn't have to slow down for those 17:21:11 Well, this is intended for urban use. 17:21:29 Toll booths tend to appear on freeways. 17:21:44 ok, so what speeds are you talking about? 17:22:04 No more than 40 MPH, and that's for a long haul. 17:22:05 people cruisin at 40-55mph? 17:22:19 Most inner-city streets are spec'ed at 30MPH or so. 17:22:30 right, so people drive 40 17:22:54 people often have to stop before traffic lights too... 17:23:17 you know where I've seen this sort of rise work really well... on/off ramps 17:23:28 where the small road is going over the divided highway 17:23:42 so the exit ramp goes up about 2 stories to the small road 17:23:54 and the entrance ramp from there goes downhill 17:23:57 Right. 17:24:02 it's easy to get up to speed 17:24:14 and you can coast to a reasonably slow speed on the way off the highway 17:24:29 If you are at just the right speed, by the time you get to the off-ramp intersection with a city street, you'll be moving slow enough that braking will dissipate insignificant amounts of energy. 17:24:30 it doesn't come close to stopping you though 17:25:05 any idea how high you'd have to go to take a car from 40pmh to 20mph? 17:25:12 Well, that's because they're not designed for this purpose, AND, freeway speeds exceed the speed you'll typically travel at if it were. 17:25:29 I wrote an article on this somewhere on my website. 17:25:41 I believe I have the calculations in there. 17:25:45 cool 17:26:01 It's not undoable -- but it's not like a freeway thing. 17:26:07 This is just for inner-city transportation. 17:26:12 It's not intended for _anything_ else. 17:26:18 yeah, not practical for freeways 17:26:25 The idea is to minimize the fuel waste from stop-n-go traffic patterns. 17:26:35 seems like a lot of construction work 17:26:51 and like it would introduce other problems 17:26:54 like drainage 17:27:03 This CAN be used for freeway speeds, but you'll need a long (not necessarily high) on-ramp, to allow friction to slow you down more than the change in potential energy. 17:27:07 and it might be a nightmare with snow and ice 17:27:23 That all depends on the grade. 17:27:35 If you use rail transportation, you can use heated rails. 17:27:59 this would be great for short trains :) 17:28:01 Monorails would be better, actually, since the active surface of the rails are vertical, not horizontal, so it's easier to keep free of debris. 17:28:05 it'd be like a rollercoaster 17:28:12 zoom down then up 17:28:13 That's precisely the idea. 17:28:22 But in a more controlled fashion. 17:28:39 The idea is to match the acceleration found in the typical automobile. 17:28:41 active surface vertical? 17:28:49 what's the active surface? 17:28:54 The shape of a monorail is "I". 17:29:03 The top surface is not used for traction. Only the sides. 17:29:17 The train physically encloses the rail beam. 17:29:55 ahh, the top of the bottom line is used to take the weight, but power for speed is applied to the sides of the middle line? 17:30:04 Precisely! 17:30:09 interesting 17:30:27 so no big deal if the horizontal surfaces are covered with dust or ice 17:30:29 There was a website with a video of a monorail running in Moscow, after a blizzard. 17:30:39 The monorail produced quite the snow fall from the rail as it passed. 17:30:48 cool 17:30:50 Note to self: never be underneath a monorail track in Moscow during winter. :) 17:31:05 heh, took me a minute to remember why the monorail doesn't use the top of the eye :) 17:31:09 hehe 17:31:19 Yeah, the top is just a load-bearing surface. 17:31:39 the top is where the structures hold the beam up 17:31:41 In fact, monorails are so simple, that you can build one in your backyard. 17:31:44 * kc5tja fetches link. 17:32:01 my backyard is about 6 feet wide 17:32:21 it's basically a path 17:33:19 http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/CnstMosc3.html -- here's the Moscow monorail. :) 17:33:56 http://www.monorails.org/ -- nifty site, btw. Lots of good information on it. 17:36:01 very cool 17:36:20 oh, I was imagining the train hanging from the rail, not sitting on top of it 17:36:26 much easier to support with the train on top 17:37:36 http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Niles.html -- AHA! Found it at last. 17:37:54 Yeah, there are several kinds -- there are those that hang too. 17:38:18 Those use a beam shaped like [] where the top is closed off, and the wheels drive and support weight from _inside_ the beam. 17:38:35 That is, all things considered, the single best design possible if you're considered with snow/ice. 17:39:00 But, I think it's more expensive and harder to repair if damage occurs. 17:47:15 makes sense 17:47:28 with that design you won't get weather in there 17:47:32 just birds and wasps and such 17:48:08 Yup. Which will encounter quite the rude surprise. :) 17:49:12 yep yep yep 17:51:10 You know, what is funky, is I think your lever-arm elevator idea would make for an ideal platform for repair work on a monorail beam. 17:51:36 Because, they're not really that high off the ground. They're just high enough to get them out of ground-level traffic's way. 17:53:47 Damn you! 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