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How goes the book? 12:03:46 --- quit: maht (Remote closed the connection) 12:08:51 --- join: maht (n=maht@85.189.31.174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 12:26:49 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:37:31 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B06AB1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:47:45 slowly but surely :) sorry for the lag 12:55:21 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 13:22:34 --- quit: timlarson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:57:00 gnomon: sounds amusing 13:57:18 gnomon: why awk instead of gforth or something? 13:57:53 I like it. 13:58:40 fair enough 13:58:52 you could do something very slow and vaguely forth-like in awk 13:59:24 (I'm not him) 13:59:41 A guy like that would benefit a project like One Laptop Per Child. 14:00:24 How would writing Forth in awk help the olpc project, exactly? 14:00:33 generally. 14:00:43 I'm not crossing swords with you .. no way. ;) 14:00:48 For example? 14:01:07 The idea behind OLPC I think is to distill the gains and weed out the cruft. 14:01:32 Quartus: but think of those starving third-world kids... a forth in awk is just what they need 14:01:37 As a pilot project they chose linux but they also chose a BIOS written in forth. 14:02:04 and you think a forth in awk 'weeds out cruft'? 14:02:20 that's not what he said. 14:02:23 or does it 'distill gains'? 14:02:26 he said he was bootstrapping in awk. 14:02:32 forget it. 14:02:42 You're not interested. 14:02:48 consider it done. 14:03:16 hey slava :) 14:06:01 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@gatekeeper.greshamstorage.com) joined #forth 14:07:35 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@gatekeeper.greshamstorage.com) joined #forth 14:07:40 --- quit: Al2O3 (Connection reset by peer) 14:09:39 --- quit: tetonca ("User disconnected") 14:15:32 man, people are weird 14:16:28 I don't see how the OLPC project would benefit by people implementing obscure compilers on ill-suited scripting languages 14:17:14 well, some of the kids may actually be interested in learning how a computer really works. 14:25:46 a forth assembler written in awk has nothing whatever to do with how a computer really works 14:26:12 yes. ok. i do rest my case. 14:26:45 I'm sure there will be at least a couple (bash and perl come to mind) programming languages available on the boxes already 14:27:13 calling bash a programming language is a little bold! 14:27:24 more so than awk 14:27:53 bash is a scripting language 14:28:15 actually the ui is coded in python 14:28:18 and it also comes with squeak 14:28:29 cool 14:28:44 I'm into squeak 14:28:50 but currently, I'm mostly into napping... 14:28:52 see you all later 14:30:19 napping is far superior to all programming languages 14:32:46 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.14.139) joined #forth 14:51:34 --- quit: Al2O3_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:52:06 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@gatekeeper.greshamstorage.com) joined #forth 15:01:51 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5489E61F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:03:46 --- quit: madgarden ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 15:04:15 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096751749.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 15:07:17 --- part: edrx left #forth 15:17:22 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:17:55 --- quit: ecraven (Remote closed the connection) 15:43:18 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:03:33 --- quit: crc (Remote closed the connection) 16:05:41 --- quit: slava () 16:11:14 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 16:23:22 Having programmed extensively in both, I far prefer writing code in Awk to writing it in Bash, except when extensive testing of file attributes or process management is called for. 16:24:01 And I totally agree that coding a Forth in awk is a misuse of the language. I'm certainly *not* doing this because it's useful, and I certainly won't make the argument that it is anything but purely recreational. 16:24:38 The whole point is to pick an ill-suited implementation language and see how to get around its limitations. 16:25:00 --- join: arcus (n=ajt@121-73-23-172.cable.telstraclear.net) joined #forth 16:25:09 Hey, arcus. 16:25:31 hi, gnomon 16:25:59 how are things? 16:26:14 Not bad. 16:27:13 recovered from the R6RS vote excitement yet? 16:27:18 I snatched a few hours of sleep this afternoon, pizza and wine are on the way (the idea of going out for dinner and then taking in a movie was vetoed), the cat is racing around like a weasel on a 50/50 mixture of crack and Pixie Stix... 16:27:22 ...not bad. 16:27:25 * gnomon sighs 16:28:01 I still believe that one way or another, the pressure R6RS puts on the community will help it out in the end. 16:28:15 Stubborn, cclever and resourceful, after all. 16:29:02 this is some kind of Nietzschean take on the situation? 16:29:10 what doesn't kill you makes you stronger? 16:29:38 mmm, pizza and wine, maybe that's what I'll have for dinner. 16:30:28 you know, I thought it was 2pm when I got up today, but it turns out it was only 11am. maybe even earlier. 16:31:10 There are some very stubborn, clever and resourceful people voting Yes; I have little doubt that when the dust settles, people will pick up their good ideas and run with them. The people voting No are also stubborn, clever and resourceful; they will put pressure on the Yes voters to prove their assertions with code, and will eventually sift the wheat from the chaff. 16:31:22 A good government needs a strong opposition and all that. 16:31:40 We're off-topic for this channel, though. 16:32:11 yes. I'm done :] 16:32:21 I just wanted to make the reference to Nietzsche 16:32:26 Heh :) 16:32:39 there is no off topic for this channel 16:32:46 I think I'm going to snatch a few napping minutes before the roundfood arrives. 16:32:51 Catch you later this eve? 16:32:53 unlike most other channels on "freenode" this channel is FREE 16:33:26 probably, yes. 16:33:39 I might even try to do some forth :] 16:33:40 nobody should be booted or even criticized for chatting about ANYTHING in here 16:33:48 unless its "ghey rights" thers no such thing :P 16:34:00 they dont have any MORE nor any LESS rights for behing wrong :P 16:40:10 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 16:40:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 16:47:55 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:34:24 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-70-110-179-32.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:35:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:43:20 hey crc 17:43:41 hi Quartus 18:17:12 --- quit: Quartus (Connection timed out) 18:17:27 --- 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