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18:15:28 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:18:57 first one is equivilent to: 6 - ((7 * 8) + 9) 18:19:30 second one to: (6 - (7 * 8)) + 9 18:20:28 hmm, but isnt a - b + c == a + c -b? 18:20:51 I'm a little confused 18:23:57 yes, a - b + c == a + c - b 18:24:23 in your example though, the order is significant 18:26:05 oh, now i see, its the a - (b + c) == a - b - c vs, (a - b) + c 18:26:46 crc: thanks for helping 18:26:51 no problem 18:36:49 so is for "Convert -(-3)*4-5 to Forth." '3 negate 4 * negate 5 -' correct? 18:37:44 How tightly does unary - bind? 18:38:03 or do they mean '3 negate negate 4 * 5 -' 18:38:24 I think it is "3 negate negate 4 * 5 -" 18:38:45 since the double negate on 3, just simplify to "3 4 * 5 -" 18:38:48 same answer either way though... 18:41:36 but I think unary minus does bind tighter than multiplication 18:43:05 --- nick: TreyB_ -> TreyB 18:43:51 er...well, in some programming languages anyway. 18:45:38 hmm, maybe i should just write as the formula is, even though a negate negate is the result ;) 18:47:29 I don't see that it matters at all... :) 18:48:10 I suggest you find a more important question to waste your time on :) 18:49:03 tathi: well, I'm just starting the gforth tutorial in the manual 18:51:32 that remembers me on my encounter with that HP calculator i never got comfortable with ;) 18:52:16 --- quit: tathi ("'night all") 19:41:38 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:41:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:52:45 hey ho 20:22:03 For reference, "monadic minus" (versus dyadic minus) binds more tightly than multiplication. 20:22:20 and it's teeth are keener than any rat's 20:23:05 So, tell me great wizard, ... ;D 20:50:54 monadic minus is effectively mulitplication by -1, so does it not bind just as tightly as multiplication, not more so? 22:06:13 --- join: tetonca (n=chris@66.155.140.211) joined #forth 22:28:51 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@p3132-adsau16honb13-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) joined #forth 22:33:59 --- join: tetonca_ (n=chris@66.155.140.215) joined #forth 22:42:26 --- join: Al2O3_ (n=Al2O3@gatekeeper.greshamstorage.com) joined #forth 22:50:06 --- quit: tetonca (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:50:15 --- nick: tetonca_ -> tetonca 22:58:38 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:21:15 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 23:27:57 --- quit: timlarson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:07 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@dslb-088-072-192-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.08.15