00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.08.12 00:03:51 --- join: H4n1 (n=Hans@p57A0D12F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 00:21:05 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:54:29 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-603c113e75ec0104) joined #forth 01:23:18 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:46:39 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 01:58:55 --- part: edrx left #forth 02:02:08 --- nick: H4n1 -> H4ns 02:09:37 --- quit: slava () 03:59:19 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 04:48:33 --- join: H4n1 (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:06:31 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:37:43 --- join: tnovelli (n=me@pool-72-79-234-10.spfdma.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 07:31:56 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 07:38:55 --- join: magnus__ (n=magnus@pool-71-185-83-101.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 07:43:49 --- quit: magnus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:54:19 --- join: oudeis_ (n=oudeis@p11811120.orange.net.il) joined #forth 08:00:24 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@gatekeeper.greshamstorage.com) joined #forth 08:09:49 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B05779.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:15:53 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-1b3906fd6aafbab0) joined #forth 08:42:50 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.11.129) joined #forth 08:44:18 --- nick: FMotAFK -> FMota 08:59:29 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.2) joined #forth 09:02:54 --- part: H4n1 left #forth 09:13:16 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:18:36 --- quit: oudeis_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:50:58 --- join: oudeis_ (n=oudeis@p11811120.orange.net.il) joined #forth 10:07:49 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:08:54 --- quit: ccfg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:36:08 hey. 10:54:21 howdy 10:55:00 how goes it? 10:55:28 so so 10:55:49 perhaps you need to be simpsonized: http://simpsonizeme.com 10:56:34 oops.. flash player 10:56:40 d'oh 10:57:01 ? 10:57:43 what's the problem? 10:57:51 funny, I haven't installed Flash on this machine 10:58:18 ah 10:58:36 well anyway, I was working on a Python program.. 10:58:39 it's worth doing, it's a neat site 10:59:22 later :) 11:05:58 aha.. a reason why CLR <> Tunes 11:06:27 Tunes is based on _factoring out_ the redundancies between languages 11:10:22 it's been awhile since I looked at the site, but as I recall it Tunes was a long-winded excuse for not writing any code until such time as an arbitrary, unlikely, and shifting goal was met. 11:10:44 hehe.. I don't buy that either 11:11:37 one of those 'everything is crap, I can't get off my ass until everything is recreated according to some vague notion I'm putting forward.' 11:12:53 well, I put forth the idea "we do the best we can for now, and keep improving things", and nobody raised any objections 11:14:18 perhaps the objections existed, despite not being raised. 11:14:43 oh, one guy might have objected :) 11:14:52 he objects to everything 11:15:54 Take a look at tunes.org now... I rewrote the front matter 11:18:52 it still needs work.. but the really windy stuff is now buried under "Really Old Site" :) 11:18:59 I don't recall the previous incarnation with any detail' 11:19:22 the FAQ was horrible 11:20:48 it's still up: http://tunes.org/Tunes-FAQ.html 11:21:29 most of what I know about Tunes, I learned from conversations 11:22:59 it was never more than pie-in-the-sky, no? 11:23:59 right 11:24:58 it has inspired less ambitious projects though 11:26:45 if it was managed effectively, it would be a reachable goal 11:29:00 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:36:10 anyway, that site needs work! 11:37:32 but I'm going outside now.. catch ya later 11:39:14 ok 11:59:56 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.13.123) joined #forth 12:11:38 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw1-fe8ade00-21.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 12:16:21 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:40:11 --- part: H4ns left #forth 12:45:33 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:46:11 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 12:46:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 12:52:01 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 13:00:33 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:04:19 --- quit: ygrek ("Leaving") 13:19:49 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-154-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:30:22 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.1) joined #forth 13:54:36 --- quit: oudeis_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:56:16 --- quit: Al2O3 () 13:57:30 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:57:40 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 14:11:39 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:14:51 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.1) joined #forth 14:31:59 slava: Doty's latest: "One library's user is another user's library." 14:32:22 got to win some kind of prize for least-coherent utterance 14:33:27 it makes sense once you understand that LSE64 is inherently superior to all other programming languages invented to date 14:33:42 don't forget doty wrote software for NASA, invented the first spreadsheet, and runs a successful aerospace company 14:34:10 I heard he once stuck his finger up his own nose, and held himself at arm's length for an hour 14:34:15 hehe 14:35:11 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:35:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 14:36:30 It intrigues me why people think that aerospace is such a hard industry to work for, and so therefore you MUST be superior to anyone else. 14:36:51 The reality is that aerospace is hard only when you are sloppy. 14:36:59 If he worked at McDonald's, I think he'd have the same superiority complex 14:37:04 the reality is also that doty is an arrogant prick 14:37:13 Soldering for aerospace takes precision, sure, but the _electronics_ are no more special than what's in your walkman. 14:37:15 who adds no value to c.l.f whatsoever 14:37:45 He's on the gEDA mailing lists; he's pretty helpful there. 14:37:52 But you're right -- on CLF, he's a moron. 14:37:56 Then the bar must be set pretty freaking low. 14:38:08 No, the bar is actually pretty high. 14:38:22 It's just that he's an electrical engineer, not a programmer. 14:38:33 I find it hard to believe he has any idiot savant capabilities; well, the first half, but not the second. 14:39:22 Read the list archives, I guess. I can't recommend much more than that. 14:44:47 i'm going to austin next week 14:45:00 poor fellow 15:02:10 interviewing with IBM? 15:02:34 heh, no 15:02:44 just meeting up with two factor contributors who live there 15:02:49 ah 15:09:34 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@2002:54ca:2640:0:0:0:0:1) joined #forth 15:12:47 --- part: H4ns left #forth 15:15:23 Nice. 15:25:44 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:34:00 --- quit: slava () 15:43:20 --- join: bojangles (n=duncan@ip68-226-187-82.lf.br.cox.net) joined #forth 16:02:15 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas@203-217-61-74.perm.iinet.net.au) joined #forth 16:23:49 --- quit: ccfg (Remote closed the connection) 16:32:02 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw1-fe8ade00-21.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 17:01:06 --- join: arcus (n=Miranda@130.195.209.73) joined #forth 17:13:39 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:51:28 --- quit: arcus (Connection timed out) 18:26:54 --- quit: jns (Remote closed the connection) 18:36:02 --- part: tnovelli left #forth 19:08:47 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:09:21 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@12.144.193.67) joined #forth 20:28:57 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.13.87) joined #forth 21:14:04 --- quit: H4ns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:30:28 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 21:42:29 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:33:46 --- join: H4ns (n=Hans@p57A0DAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 23:41:38 --- quit: skas_wk ("I'm outta here.") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.08.12