00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.07.16 00:40:00 --- join: kefeer (n=kefeer@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 01:04:46 --- quit: ziggurat ("Leaving") 01:16:17 --- join: TreyB_ (n=trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 01:29:52 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:32:02 --- quit: kefeer (Remote closed the connection) 01:45:04 --- join: arcus (n=ajt@121-73-23-172.cable.telstraclear.net) joined #forth 02:30:15 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 03:11:33 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-f1c450469594c7a9) joined #forth 03:42:32 --- quit: ecraven (Remote closed the connection) 03:46:04 --- quit: TreyB_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:48:43 --- join: TreyB (n=trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 04:30:22 --- nick: still-not-here -> segher 04:43:57 --- quit: arcus ("Ex-Chat") 05:22:13 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:26:20 --- join: kefeer (n=kefeer@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 05:57:43 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 06:05:45 --- quit: Baughn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:06:42 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 06:10:30 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-51c6e7acf059fbf4) joined #forth 06:28:08 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.14.158) joined #forth 06:45:57 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:46:22 --- join: nighty- (n=nighty-@66-163-28-100.ip.tor.radiant.net) joined #forth 07:01:50 --- join: timlarson__ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 07:05:07 --- quit: maht ("Leaving") 07:18:43 --- join: maht (n=maht@85-189-31-174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 07:22:57 --- quit: timlarson_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:42:10 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:16:42 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202236008.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 08:34:25 --- part: edrx left #forth 08:44:46 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B04E3A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:47:41 --- join: luptenschteiner (i=fallback@ppp121-45-66-164.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) joined #forth 08:59:10 --- quit: probonono (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:12:06 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 09:31:20 --- quit: maht (Remote closed the connection) 09:32:44 --- quit: uiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 09:49:12 --- join: uiuiu (n=ian@HSI-KBW-085-216-029-125.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined #forth 09:58:05 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.2) joined #forth 10:00:53 --- join: probonono (i=fallback@ppp121-45-105-75.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) joined #forth 10:05:34 --- join: maht (n=maht@85.189.31.174.proweb.managedbroadband.co.uk) joined #forth 10:11:15 --- quit: luptenschteiner (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:24:06 hello 10:32:45 --- join: horar (n=irc@mrandr7.lnk.telstra.net) joined #forth 10:49:09 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:51:30 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:52:42 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 10:55:37 hi 11:02:34 hi Quartus__ 11:02:48 i'm new to forth although i've got 30 yrs progging experience. 11:03:22 hello everyone 11:03:51 horar: 30 years... cool. probably you saw fortran :) 11:04:06 only at uni, never used it 11:04:24 horar: what you was programming in? 11:04:31 c, assembly, sql, common lisp 11:04:53 used c++ for 8 yrs until i discovered common lisp and haven't used it since 11:05:05 now i'm learning forth because it fits nicely on microcontrollers 11:05:06 horar: my father has same expirience as you but most languages he was programming in was in russian :) 11:05:14 :) 11:05:30 it would be really cool to learn russian 11:05:49 horar: you are english-speaker? 11:05:57 yes, only english unfortunately 11:06:12 horar: by the way russian fits bad into programming languages 11:06:19 why is that? 11:06:30 horar: our words has a mutable ending 11:07:21 for example: home is dom,doma,domu,dome,domom 11:07:27 mutable in what way? i take it you don't mean things like ies/eys/ 11:07:40 lots of languages have that sort of thing 11:08:05 admittedly english nouns only have number and gender for the most part 11:08:39 horar: your verbs has only -s in some cases 11:08:53 yes, our verbs are very simple. 11:09:06 but that just makes it harder to understand doesn't it. 11:09:28 i've been studying languages, compiling translation dictionaries etc 11:09:47 and the lack of variations in english words is one of the things that makes english hard to learn. 11:10:08 horar: i think no 11:10:17 lots of alternate adfixes to differentiate number, gender, person, time etc are helpful 11:10:35 i guess you're the expert though ;) 11:10:40 how many languages you speak? 11:10:41 horar: from my point of view hardest thing is that you compose words like in forth :) 11:11:00 lol, yes, we make them up on the spot a lot of times. 11:11:02 kefeer, umm looks like it's the same you are talking about 11:11:35 horar: in other prog.languages you should use various glue to stick words together like brackets etc 11:11:36 does anyone here use forth for programming robots? 11:11:54 lisp-has-lots-of-very-long-identifiers-like-this 11:12:24 horar: yes it's blow me from it 11:12:31 horar: i tried to write my own lisp 11:13:22 horar: but figured out that i am continiously stripping things from it and when i throwed out garbage collecting i ended with forth. :) 11:13:33 hehe 11:13:52 i've been thinking that my forth style is going to be very lispish for a while 11:13:59 horar: long names are not a problem of lisp but existing lispers 11:14:07 horar: you can't 11:14:10 forth still looks like martian to me, but i'm sure i'll get used to it quickly 11:14:33 horar: there is no way to do lispish things in forth and feel yourself confortable 11:14:33 long-names-are-a-very-good-thing 11:14:50 horar: long-names-a-crap-hard-to-write-hard-to-read 11:15:26 horar: actualy writing is not an issue, but reading is 11:15:55 i am using http://www.kolumbus.fi/oh2aun/ on a microcontroller with only 70kB of memory 11:17:32 horar: oh :) 11:19:38 horar: have you looked on this: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2124 11:20:22 there is also a lot of alternatives in comments 11:21:07 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:21:17 i thought of using picolisp, but lisp tends to like lots of ram and of the 70kB of memory that i have to work with, only 4kB of it is ram. 11:21:52 it would probably work ok if picolisp has a generational garbage collector and i could build the image "off chip" 11:22:04 but i thought i'd give forth a try first 11:29:13 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 11:31:15 --- quit: uiuiu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:34:09 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 11:40:54 --- quit: horar ("Leaving.") 11:41:19 horar: yep that's why i am i forth: i know what my program doing. 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