00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.07.13 00:20:29 --- quit: uiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 01:09:00 --- join: kefeer (n=kef@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 01:11:31 --- quit: ygrek () 01:50:01 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:10:18 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-1c382792e00d3963) joined #forth 02:12:00 --- quit: ygrek (Client Quit) 02:12:19 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-5140b09a123af118) joined #forth 02:37:46 --- quit: maht ("Leaving") 02:44:29 --- join: uiuiu (n=ian@HSI-KBW-085-216-029-125.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined #forth 02:46:20 --- quit: uiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 03:38:04 --- quit: warpzero (Excess Flood) 03:38:06 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@208.74.136.138) joined #forth 04:50:48 --- quit: kefeer ("WeeChat 0.1.9") 05:00:00 --- quit: arcus_ ("Ex-Chat") 05:56:01 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 06:25:51 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096622014.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 06:40:13 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 07:49:17 --- quit: yumehito (Remote closed the connection) 08:15:13 --- join: kefeer (n=kefeer@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 08:16:59 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:22:05 --- quit: yumehito (Remote closed the connection) 08:22:20 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:30:01 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:37:15 --- quit: yumehito_ (Remote closed the connection) 08:38:06 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:40:04 --- quit: gnomon (Remote closed the connection) 08:40:15 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 08:42:43 --- quit: yumehito_ (Remote closed the connection) 08:42:55 --- quit: yumehito (Connection timed out) 08:43:06 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:47:59 --- quit: yumehito_ (Remote closed the connection) 08:48:28 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 08:51:52 --- quit: yumehito (Client Quit) 08:54:16 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 09:07:10 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.2) joined #forth 09:19:57 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 09:22:36 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@sub26-46.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 09:32:44 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:18:53 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B04F04.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:23:10 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 10:23:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 10:37:51 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:56:11 --- quit: yumehito ("no cat anywhere ever gave anyone a straight answer") 11:05:16 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 11:07:55 hello 11:14:53 --- quit: kefeer ("WeeChat 0.1.9") 11:15:11 --- quit: iano () 11:16:12 --- join: kefeer (n=kefeer@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 11:17:20 --- quit: kefeer (Client Quit) 11:18:05 --- join: kefeer (n=kefeer@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 11:18:10 hi kefeer 11:18:26 how are things? 11:18:56 good good 11:19:26 just set up my computer to grad the correct date/time from the net when it boots up 11:19:39 last couple times I turned my computer on the date was off by a day 11:20:47 i used ntp years ago but when buggy ntp peer have sent me wrong time and everything screwed i have abadoned this 11:20:49 s/grad/grab 11:20:49 :) 11:21:12 isn't it supposed to hook into several peers? 11:21:27 I haven't used it much 11:21:47 my mac has a pretty good clock in it 11:21:56 dunno why it went goofy 11:22:19 it doesn't seem to forget my boot settings, so I don't think the battery is bad 11:22:41 the power did go out last week while I was away though 11:23:22 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B04F04.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:23:34 dunno last hardware i know about was my 486sx25 :) 11:24:04 i even cpu speed of my laptop :) 11:24:25 i even do not know cpu speed of my laptop i mean 11:24:57 heh. Guess it doesn't run any faster if you know... 11:25:37 yep 11:25:41 I try to pick up such details, because I think I'll be "building" a pc at some point 11:26:03 any way it's not forth processor so nothing interesting :) 11:26:24 what do you mean "building"? 11:32:58 buying parts and plugging them together 11:33:21 not really building, but that's what people seem to call it 11:34:50 seems like the cheap way to get a computer with decent speed 11:35:09 and while I'm at it, I can have some fun and make it so there's no moving parts under normal operation :) 11:36:58 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 11:37:57 haven't figured out what I really want 11:38:08 what I've got works perfectly well now 11:38:37 only thing missing is 3D accelleration 11:38:45 I seem to have bad luck with that 11:39:13 had an ati card that worked well for a while, then it got clitchy 11:39:31 replaced it with an nVidia card, which doesn't glitch 11:39:48 but the linux driver doesn't support 3d because nVidia are poopheads 11:42:33 strange 11:42:50 nvidia is a best card for linux 11:42:56 apparently nVidia refuses to divulge the information neccesary to write a driver 11:43:07 * kefeer poked by rabbits 11:43:41 my rabbits come to me and want my attention, brb :) 11:44:02 nvidia _provides_ drivers for linux 11:44:57 yeah, for x86 11:44:57 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 11:45:00 that doesn't do me much good 11:45:03 I've got a mac 11:45:49 ohh sorry forgot 11:46:10 why you are running linux on mac? 11:46:31 all mac users i know are very proud with macos 11:48:33 yeah 11:48:47 I was pretty excited about it before it macosx was released 11:48:51 bought the beta and everything 11:50:03 I'm not willing to pay for it, and it doesn't feel right to steal it or to be stuck with the unchangeable proprietary stuff 11:50:10 and I don't like the interface 11:50:22 too clicky 11:50:54 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:51:56 though as time goes by it gets more and more tempting 11:53:26 :) i am running ionwm i can understand you :) 11:54:10 are you writing some forth now? 11:54:35 no 11:54:39 I'm running ion3 though :) 11:55:20 I think X11 is crap 11:55:43 but unfortunately there isn't much in the way of alternatives 12:31:02 yeah 12:31:14 have you ever tried to write your own wm? 12:33:01 no 12:33:04 my cousin did though 12:33:36 he's way better at research than me, and sait it was a pain in the ass 12:34:08 yeah it sucks :) i wrote one but threw it out because to do something useful you need all this ICCCM crap 12:34:33 checking your site, where is a game ideas? :) 12:34:49 oop 12:34:51 I'll restore that 12:36:30 cool 12:36:38 i got some ideas too 12:36:50 may be, one day... 12:37:29 :) 12:37:44 I've got a good one mostly baked that I actually want to write 12:38:10 well, the rdiff man page is useless 12:38:27 I'm doing too many things at once. I'll let you know when I restore the page 12:38:40 which one is that? 12:38:41 yep i have abadoned few mostly baked after first prototyping :) 12:39:12 are you using any kind of todo list? 12:39:23 i have a problem with self-organization 12:47:43 I want to make some sort of peer to peer 3D wander/chat/collect/link game 12:47:50 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@75-164-152-161.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 12:48:12 yeah 12:48:23 I use a text file with asterisks on the left 12:48:33 and a vim file to color them according to the number of asterisks 12:50:44 it works? 12:51:37 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:52:16 http://brokestream.com/warsim.html 12:52:38 it's my idea. but i have not disclosed much 12:52:49 because it constantly changes in my mind :) 12:53:46 by the way, your idea is cool 12:54:24 you could invite smb to your computer like you invite to your house in real life 12:56:01 --- quit: Raystm2 ("I've embarrassed my self enough for one day.") 13:04:13 some people will probably build models of your house 13:04:20 their house I mean 13:04:55 MMORPGs seem quite popular 13:05:06 I want to make a decentralized one 13:05:07 yep never understood why 13:06:25 I don't plan to have an accounting system, so there's no XP or money in the game 13:06:48 everyobody can make their own little world for people to play/explore/hang in 13:06:57 with portals to their friends worlds 13:07:35 at first everybody hosts their own world 13:07:42 then your friends can offer to help host yours 13:08:07 I'm considering something like bittorrent to handle massively popular worlds, but I haven't thought that through very far 13:08:10 --- quit: nighty- ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 13:08:51 if there will be way to exchange something between ones players will invent economy 13:08:56 it'll be a long time before we need anything like that 13:09:06 but I do have to plan some of it right from the beginning 13:09:24 well, I think what there will be is reputation 13:09:28 like websites 13:09:37 if you make cool stuff, people will link to you 13:09:59 also there is a way to pay through peer to peer networks 13:10:22 like reddit modding? 13:10:29 like repplepay.com 13:10:40 I don't know what that is 13:10:59 just need to find a chain of trust between payer and payee 13:11:22 the commodity might just be bandwidth though 13:11:38 main commodity is one's time 13:11:50 I was thinking that you help host static content for anybody you link to 13:11:51 it's always was so in MMORPG 13:12:22 I want to make my world so that guests can change it 13:12:39 but what about wandalizm? 13:12:46 so I've got some stuff to figure out about how they can do that while I'm offline 13:12:53 wandalizm is cool :) 13:12:59 I've run a wiki for years. it's really not a problem 13:13:20 I just have to remember how to use rdiff 13:13:41 i see 13:14:14 i have started writing my warsim but i started from writing forth for it 13:14:18 now i am writing lisp 13:14:36 complitely forgot why i have started all this :) 13:14:46 I'm hoping the worlds in my game are generated by code 13:14:52 with little to no imported textures 13:15:35 textures suck, i agree 13:16:39 shame I can't do it with raytracing 13:17:18 editing in my world will be restricted 13:17:33 I might have a specific area where you can do anything 13:17:41 but I want things like light switches that you can flip 13:18:03 and a whiteboard that you can add messages to 13:18:05 you could do it with raytracing if it will be TPS not FPS 13:18:06 and answering machine 13:18:11 those sorts of things 13:18:24 tps? 13:18:33 third person 13:18:45 like many quests where 3d is prerendered 13:19:45 fps/tps is wrong word srry 13:19:50 we'll see how it works out 13:19:56 yep 13:20:02 I haven't written anything 3d before really 13:20:06 well, a tiny bit 13:20:10 have the OLPC folks been asking many questions in this channel? 13:20:28 I just fiddled with the z axis of a grid to make it lumpy 13:21:22 JasonWoof: yeah i always had a problems with 3d 13:21:50 JasonWoof: what i want is to write old-scool software rendered game 13:22:54 If it was just a solo wander around type of game, then different worlds could be rendered differently 13:22:58 ie some could be 2D 13:23:15 * kefeer pushed by rabbit again 13:23:18 some raytraced and move like the original Myst 13:23:37 but I want to see other people's avatars 13:23:50 vrml done right 13:24:33 iano: nope. 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