00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.07.12 00:38:33 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B053DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 00:55:24 --- quit: skas_wk ("I'm outta here.") 01:39:11 --- quit: JasonWoof ("leaving") 02:06:50 --- join: arcus (n=ajt@121-73-23-172.cable.telstraclear.net) joined #forth 04:03:57 --- quit: ecraven (" brb") 04:08:50 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 04:29:27 --- quit: Line_Noise ("The BOSS is comming!") 04:35:03 --- quit: ecraven (Remote closed the connection) 05:27:14 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 05:34:42 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 05:59:54 --- quit: ecraven ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.0.95.1") 06:16:22 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 06:29:03 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:07:13 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5489F28B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 07:11:28 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:16:11 --- quit: gnomon (Remote closed the connection) 07:16:22 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:21:14 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 07:25:00 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@205.205.50.1) joined #forth 07:29:58 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:51:01 hey. 08:15:55 --- join: tlockney (n=tlockney@71-36-100-88.ptld.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:33:02 --- quit: Quartus__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:37:18 --- join: Shain (i=steve@adsl-75-18-181-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 08:53:02 --- join: forther (n=forther@207.47.34.100.static.nextweb.net) joined #forth 08:59:44 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489C29F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:06:08 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-24-63-216-167.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:06:08 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:14:18 --- quit: crest__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:41:04 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@200.217.105.104) joined #forth 09:42:47 --- nick: yumehito_ -> yumehito 10:19:46 --- quit: edrx ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.1.50.1") 10:20:20 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:24:42 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.14.81) joined #forth 10:42:49 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-152-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:50:59 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10:51:12 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 10:56:49 --- join: kefeer2 (n=zsirc@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 10:57:02 hello 10:59:40 everyone busy writing forth? :) 11:32:31 --- join: kefeer (n=zsirc@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 11:38:09 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 11:40:08 --- quit: kefeer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:43:39 --- quit: kefeer2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:50:23 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:04:25 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-68-95-129-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 12:19:57 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:35:05 --- quit: uiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 12:36:34 --- join: uiuiu (n=ian@HSI-KBW-085-216-029-125.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined #forth 12:36:34 --- quit: uiuiu (Client Quit) 12:36:58 --- join: uiuiu (n=ian@HSI-KBW-085-216-029-125.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined #forth 12:43:43 --- nick: yumehito_ -> yumehito 12:44:38 --- quit: uiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 12:44:47 --- join: kef (n=kef@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 13:15:19 --- join: jns (n=jens@p57B053DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:23:15 --- nick: kef -> kefeer 13:25:26 --- quit: kefeer ("WeeChat 0.1.9") 13:46:38 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 15:09:50 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5489E6A8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:16:33 --- join: uiuiu (n=ian@HSI-KBW-085-216-029-125.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined #forth 15:18:06 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:20:14 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas@203-217-61-74.perm.iinet.net.au) joined #forth 16:12:47 --- quit: jns (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:21:33 chat full of lerkers and people that say... 16:21:35 HEY 16:21:42 hey 16:22:31 see, #forth is not so full of people who say "hey" 8-\ 16:25:18 I'm so very disapointed in my self and in my forth studies. F***'n lousy waste of time. AND when people in this chat tried to warn me the colorforth was such a thing ( timeWaster), how come I couldn't extend that thought to it's most logical conclusion? 16:26:14 5+ years. Down the tubes. Nothin'. 16:26:39 COLLOSSAL waste of time with 3 L's if that's how you spell it. 16:27:30 Shame of it all is, I can't quit the chat cuz i've made friends I respect. 16:28:20 Okay, that's that off of my chest. 16:28:30 Would someone like to be next? 16:28:37 tell me more about colorforth 16:28:43 I tried to learn it, but not much 16:29:01 I got frustrated quickly and realized that it would be too hard for me 16:29:31 so I just read and reread tons of stuff about it on ultratechnology and mailing lists 16:30:29 at least 16:30:53 chuck said that people should be writing their own forths instead of revering his forths 16:31:46 I took refuge in that in solace 16:32:18 did you get some good ideas from ColorForth, at least? 16:32:40 from chuck's way of coding? 16:33:49 edrx: personally, i've loved colorForth since I found it. But heck, i may have "imprinted" on another forth, had I found IT first. 16:34:06 heh, why don't we have Jeff Foxes behind us, trying to tell the world that what we do is fantastic 16:34:19 I think that I've imprinted HS-Forth 16:34:37 even though I had tried MVP-Forth and Fig-Forth before 16:34:52 but ANS Forth never clicked with me 16:35:10 I liked MVP-forth. It really got the ball rolling for me in my forth studies and colorforth specifically. 16:35:23 it smells deeply wrong to me, even (ANS Forth) 16:35:27 That was the first forth I could write in. 16:35:40 I don't know HS-forth. 16:35:59 I should make its binaries available 16:36:13 OH is it YOURS? 16:36:22 no, I bought a copy 16:36:32 I was registered user #3450 16:36:43 :) 16:37:14 but I haven't seen any mentions at all about it or about its creator in the last ~ 14 years 16:37:23 I've studied colorforth off and on ( mostly on these last 5 years ) for about 10 years now. 16:37:30 wow. 16:37:30 WOW 16:37:36 that's why i don't know it. 16:37:41 pre internet. 16:37:44 or web I mean. 16:37:48 yep 16:38:20 --- quit: forther ("Leaving") 16:38:21 my way of using emacs (and *nix) is based on HS-Forth's interface 16:38:27 I see. 16:38:38 * Raystm2- rarely uses either. 16:38:44 what do you use? 16:39:07 i uses a windows box( family) with a cygwin environ when I need a *nix. 16:39:17 ok 16:39:40 but I rarely use it, save for crc's toka project. 16:39:48 k 16:40:21 I usually try my best to do Windows tests for crc specifically, and any of the forthers when they request for someone to do so. 16:41:10 I've heard of toka, but what is crc? 16:41:36 Charles R. Childers, RetroForth. 16:41:43 aaah, ok 16:42:01 hey, what are your impressions of Pygmy? 16:42:03 He's litterally a programming machine. 16:42:24 Don't have any, unfortunately. I've had my specialization as you know... 16:42:38 I'm told it's excellent. 16:43:12 If I were not in this mindset, I might dL it for fresh perspective. 16:43:27 brb, daughter home, need consult. :) 16:43:35 which kind of? the kind that spews out ten of thousands of lines of code? or the kind that produces fantastic programs and ideas that fit in few lines of code? 16:43:38 and a hug. :) 16:43:39 ok 16:43:46 :) 16:44:11 crc. extreamly efficiant. Better, Id say, then most forth coders. 16:44:27 * crc notices discussion in this channel... it's been a while ;) 16:44:42 hi crc 16:44:49 hi edrx 16:45:49 * crc seems to recall you mentioning something about the topic a day or two ago... 16:46:03 I have a bad memory, I have to keep my programs short enough and clear enough so I don't get lost in them... 16:46:05 yes 16:46:21 --- mode: crc set +o edrx 16:46:30 I wrote this article - it's a draft, but I think that it says that quite clearly 16:46:50 don't abuse the ops, but you can change the topic now 16:47:13 thanks', lemme try to append a link to it to the topic... if it doesn't fit I will ask you for help 16:47:26 ok 16:48:44 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction: http://tinyurl.com/kvawv | Starting Forth: http://tinyurl.com/rm7pq | Thinking Forth: http://tinyurl.com/nsy4j | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- almost being submi' by edrx 16:48:45 It may not fit. Ol' quartus did a nice job of character fit'n. 16:49:17 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction: http://tinyurl.com/kvawv | Starting Forth: http://tinyurl.com/rm7pq | Thinking Forth: http://tinyurl.com/nsy4j | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- suggestions welcom' by edrx 16:49:36 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction: http://tinyurl.com/kvawv | Starting Forth: http://tinyurl.com/rm7pq | Thinking Forth: http://tinyurl.com/nsy4j | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- suggestions? 8-|' by edrx 16:49:47 try http://tinyurl.com/2ah28j 16:50:04 I'm of the opinion that all the links should be on a links page, a formal #forth page, and the topic point to that. the remainder of space to say something that recent to keep it fresh. 16:50:25 that+s 16:51:02 Raystm2-, we could do that, though I'm not sure if Quartus will like it... 16:52:00 I see. we can only ask. Is this offically his registered chat then? I thought I440r said he started it like 4-5 years ago... 16:52:22 Raystm2-: makes sense, but at the same time the "text" of the url conveys part of the message... 16:52:36 not when it's a tiny. 16:52:40 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction: http://tinyurl.com/kvawv | Starting Forth: http://tinyurl.com/rm7pq | Thinking Forth: http://tinyurl.com/nsy4j | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- due soon. Suggesti' by edrx 16:53:06 Says absolutely nothing as a tiny and i've seen people fear the links for re-directs. okay one. 16:53:17 Raystm2-, i440r is owner of the chat 16:53:33 Then quartus may have a vote onlyl. 16:53:41 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction: http://tinyurl.com/kvawv | Starting Forth: http://tinyurl.com/rm7pq | Thinking Forth: http://tinyurl.com/nsy4j | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- suggestions? 8-|' by edrx 16:53:57 I'll do the links page if a consenus arises 16:54:14 very cool. 16:54:53 people who have changed the topic many times over the years would certainly have thought much more about a good style for the topic than me. 16:54:57 With a regular "fresh text topic" people will look at it. 16:55:14 You would think so . :) 16:56:00 I will add some text at the top of the draft explaining how draftish it is 16:56:15 lol. okay. 16:56:19 I announced it at comp.lang.forth, and asked for suggestions there too 16:56:26 I was expecting to be massacred 16:56:46 that didn't happen so much. 16:56:50 announced? 16:56:57 i've lost the thread here.. 16:56:58 . 16:57:17 title of the thread: "Boostraping a Forth in 40 lines of Lua code" 16:57:25 ~ 7 messages there 16:57:38 Oh hey, that sounds neat. I don't know Lua yet. 16:59:04 I saw a neat bootstrap lately that uses the a register and the two stacks to create 6 of the most important bootstrap words like dup, swap, drop, ( trying to remember where I saw it and the other 3 words) . 17:01:07 I have some material for quick presentations on Lua, I can follow it with you one of these days when we both have time and are in the right mood - some parts of the material need some reworking, and showing it to someone would force me to finish it. 17:01:26 oh it was this http://www.frank-buss.de/forth/cpu1/ 17:01:36 it's purely technical, just code and ideas, no adjectives, no benchmarks. 17:02:24 :) I do indeed like to help in that way. I learn that way. I'm currently housebound and tend to have loads of uninteruptable time. 17:02:32 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- suggestions? 8-|' by crc 17:03:05 this moves most of the reading material links to the #forth page on forthfreak.net 17:03:18 Smart. 17:03:24 Well done, sir. 17:04:11 edrx, you should have some more room to play with regarding the topic now 17:04:45 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language and a variety of technical subjects. Introduction and Helpful Reading: http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?FnFC | ANS/ISO Forth Standard doc: http://tinyurl.com/nx7dx | Gforth compiler: http://tinyurl.com/s8uho | http://quartus.net/search | Paste: http://forth.pastebin.ca | http://angg.twu.net/miniforth-article.html <- due soon. Suggestions? 8-|' by edrx 17:05:06 that's perfect now :) 17:05:20 thanks 17:06:06 no problem 17:06:15 * crc prefers shorter topics anyway 17:08:32 Raystm2-, I'll be doing a rebuild of my server tonight or tomorrow; I have a copy of colorforth.info, and your home directory, but gmail doesn't want to let me send it (~70mb compressed). Should I look for another way, or do you trust me to restore it when I'm done? 17:09:13 doh! i didn't take that link far enough for the bootstrapper, here http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/msg/1ce72429bcadefd1 17:10:21 Of course I absolutely trust you after these years of knowing you. But if you'd like me to grab that stuff and hold it locally temporarily, I'm certainly glad to help. 17:10:38 please do so ASAP 17:11:14 OH and anything with the word TRACK in it ( some of my music i shared can be deleted, as well as that biz tutorial if you and tim have it now) 17:11:37 ofcourse I can give ya'll that stuff again so... 17:11:48 * Raystm2- going up to get stuff. 17:13:48 crc I have 8 gig remaining, I can take more if need be, and did you already make that 70Mb file? 17:14:48 Raystm2-, it's on my local machine 17:15:13 :) 17:15:34 I've deleted that tutorial file and my music... 17:16:26 okay, then. How do you want to proceed. You have nearly 8 gig to play with here ( I need a little swap space :) ) 17:16:37 what is colorforth.info? 17:17:06 my slowwwly emerging walk thru of the entire original. 17:17:14 ok 17:17:27 My local copy is much more complete then the online one. 17:17:44 been working on it a bit a day lately :) 17:17:45 I'd like to see it 17:17:55 cool. 17:17:59 but right now I'm trying to finish typing something 17:18:06 certainly. 17:20:29 crc you have 8 gig to play with on my machine, and if I start compressing things mostlikely more, should you need extra space. 17:21:29 Raystm2-, I have the most recent backup on two systems, it should be good 17:21:34 thank you though 17:21:36 excellnet. 17:22:09 okay, so, are you saying you don't need me at the server right now and I should disconnect? 17:22:16 yes 17:22:24 I'll begin in about 5 minutes 17:22:30 i'm out. 17:22:32 I've never used OP, I think - how do I drop my operator privileges? 17:22:38 will you need my assistance at all then? 17:22:42 --- mode: crc set -o edrx 17:22:47 thanks :) 17:22:50 lol :) 17:22:54 Raystm2-, just in making sure it still works once I'm done 17:23:02 okay. 17:23:13 since you have a local copy, you should be good though :) 17:23:17 edrx, no problem 17:23:50 yes. I have a local copy that i synced several months ago with the changes on my machine as current. 17:25:41 Alright then. Good luck for a safe reinstall. 17:25:52 sorry to hear about your OS in keow. 17:26:09 lost a packaging system? 17:26:17 Is this the reason for the season then? 17:26:43 yeah, dpkg is *gone* 17:26:50 :( 17:27:15 Stupid computers. 17:30:07 ouch 17:37:02 --- nick: Raystm2- -> Raystm2 17:56:11 --- join: jackokring (n=jackokri@89.192.63.163) joined #forth 18:44:48 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:44:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 18:58:00 --- join: Quartus___ (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:06:21 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:07:46 --- quit: Quartus___ () 19:07:59 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:07:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:17:19 --- quit: jackokring (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:25:20 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:34:21 hello. 19:39:12 So you've decided forth is a waste of your time, ray? 19:54:41 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:04:24 --- quit: arcus (Nick collision from services.) 20:04:42 --- join: arcus (n=ajt@121-73-23-172.cable.telstraclear.net) joined #forth 20:04:51 --- quit: arcus (Nick collision from services.) 20:05:09 --- join: arcus_ (n=ajt@121-73-23-172.cable.telstraclear.net) joined #forth 20:07:41 --- quit: Snoopy42 () 20:13:48 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-174-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 21:42:25 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 22:16:13 --- quit: skas_wk ("I'm outta here.") 22:52:31 --- join: dgd2 (n=dgd@166.226.26.56) joined #forth 23:08:42 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489F674.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:09:42 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-1f767daf92750f68) joined #forth 23:17:10 --- quit: crest__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:27:25 --- join: kefeer (n=kef@82.193.155.229) joined #forth 23:28:48 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-150-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:29:42 --- quit: forther (Client Quit) 23:30:57 --- quit: dgd2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:48:08 --- quit: kefeer (Remote closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.07.12