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01:04:01 <JasonWoof> man, I run into the weirdest little snippets of php code
01:04:02 <JasonWoof> eval('?>'.$return);
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12:03:57 <JasonWoof> boy, the post office sure gets some funny ideas sometimes
12:04:36 <JasonWoof> we got a letter for someone I've never heard of, in a neigboring town, totally different address except the state and country
12:04:56 <JasonWoof> and one with our address, but the name Alfred E Nutile
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13:22:07 <Quartus__> Nesistance is nutile
13:25:34 <slava> JasonWoof: having fun with squeak?
13:28:04 <JasonWoof> slava: seems I do that on mondays :)
13:28:29 <JasonWoof> I've got lots of work these days, and I've been away weekends, so I've had to promise myself no squeak for the rest of the week
13:28:46 <slava> heh
13:29:11 <slava> i need to spend more time on my thesis instead of working on factor all the time :)
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14:16:23 <Quartus__> What's the subject of your thesis?
14:16:48 <slava> lie algebras
14:17:17 <Quartus__> they lie? The bastards.
14:17:34 <slava> hah.
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17:25:21 <JasonWoof> holey shnikeys!
17:25:41 <JasonWoof> I've had $80 sitting in my paypal account for over 2 months!
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17:48:54 <sorear> here   :noname ;   here swap - allot
17:49:01 <sorear> ^^^ will that work?
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19:26:22 <Quartus> JasonWoof, almost enough for a copy of Quartus Forth!!! :)
19:27:25 <rabbitwhite> ?
19:27:38 <Quartus> from earlier
19:27:55 <rabbitwhite> no i was just curious, what is almost enough
19:29:12 <rabbitwhite> oh, and while we're talking, buy the GC Forth Beta!
19:29:27 <Quartus> he said he found $80 in his paypal
19:40:12 <rabbitwhite> oh, heh
19:41:51 <rabbitwhite> i think i have like $120
19:44:01 <Quartus> more than enough. :)
19:44:46 <JasonWoof> Quartus Forth isn't $70 anymore I take it
19:44:55 <JasonWoof> I remember the good old days ;)
19:45:10 <Quartus> went up at v2
19:45:30 <JasonWoof> what, just because your product is better you think you can charge more? ;)
19:45:54 <Quartus> something along those lines :)
19:50:27 <JasonWoof> cool
20:05:20 <rabbitwhite> hey you stole my idea
20:05:23 <rabbitwhite> jk
20:05:44 <rabbitwhite> so has anyone here read the post i put on my blog
20:05:50 <rabbitwhite> last night
20:12:59 <Quartus> didn't know you had a blog
20:14:45 <crc> Quartus: http://gcforth.blogspot.com
20:21:22 <Quartus> it doesn't say anything about the language itself
20:22:16 <rabbitwhite> the post or the blog?
20:22:27 <rabbitwhite> i've talked about the language in the blog, i even have a code example posted
20:22:32 <Quartus> that post. I didn't read all the posts.
20:23:01 <JasonWoof> blog shmlog
20:23:20 <rabbitwhite> jasonwoof what is that supposed to mean
20:23:53 <Quartus> in fact scrolling down I see a feature list, but can't spot any example code
20:23:59 * JasonWoof shmlogs rabbitwhite about the mid section
20:27:12 <Quartus> Seeing GC makes me assume you mean garbage collected, which makes me think it must be a typed Forth
20:27:42 <JasonWoof> garbage collection certainly popped into my mind
20:27:47 <Quartus> but then I see  it's running on a gamecube, so I imagine that's the origin
20:27:54 <Quartus> pretty confusing right off the bat
20:28:48 <Quartus> also as someone with a Forth background, I wonder why it's not Standard, and in what way it differs
20:30:26 <Quartus> I have a fair amount of portable standard code that would be great to use in a new environment like that, but if I have to re-write it all to a specific dialect, I'd like to know how weird that dialect is, and why, and if there's any way I can smooth over the differences, or if it's worth trying
20:31:09 <rabbitwhite> if it had garbage collection as its prominent feature i would have probably stated that off the bat dont you think?
20:31:15 <Quartus> maybe.
20:31:29 <Quartus> I don't know.  I honestly thought it was garbage collection until four minutes ago.
20:33:01 <rabbitwhite> anyway, it isnt standard because i dont like the standard and i wanted to be free to explore the possibilities and take advantage of other ideas outside the standard
20:33:27 <Quartus> ok, but that's not enough information for me to make an informed decision about the product.  How exactly is this system different?
20:33:34 <rabbitwhite> so, i think it would be simpler to just accept it instead of worrying about if it will be possible to ignore its differences
20:33:53 <rabbitwhite> well, i dunno, read the blog...
20:34:03 <Quartus> I did. I saw nothing relating to this question.
20:34:04 <rabbitwhite> i cant really say because i'm not a professional marketter
20:34:14 <Quartus> I'm not asking for marketing, I'm asking for technical info.
20:34:19 <rabbitwhite> oh, um, hm.
20:34:35 <rabbitwhite> how is it different ... what in particular would you be interested in finding out whats different?
20:35:01 <Quartus> A simple list of the key differences would be fine.
20:35:25 <rabbitwhite> well, the source is 40x25 instead of 64x16
20:35:40 <rabbitwhite> and the editor is split down the middle so you can see two blocks at once
20:35:52 <rabbitwhite> um,
20:35:53 <Quartus> Ok. None of that is defined by the Standard.
20:35:56 <rabbitwhite> 64kb block buffers
20:36:05 <rabbitwhite> uh
20:36:10 <Quartus> Ok, so it's block-only; that's one point
20:37:11 <rabbitwhite> it has a unique graphics wordset
20:37:36 <Quartus> The Standard doesn't have one, but it doesn't preclude one by any means.  So that's useful information too.
20:37:42 <Quartus> But it doesn't go to my question.
20:37:43 <rabbitwhite> it has a fast interrupt handler that supports very long interrupt routines
20:37:49 <Quartus> Ok. Same.
20:38:01 <rabbitwhite> i dont understand why none of this isn't interesting to you
20:38:16 <Quartus> I didn't say it wasn't interesting to me.
20:38:30 <rabbitwhite> its like it has to be RADICALLY different for you to say ok thats different
20:38:39 <Quartus> No, that's not the case.
20:38:49 <rabbitwhite> oh well thats the vibe i got, sorry if i'm being defensive 
20:39:02 <Quartus> You say it's non-standard. I'm asking in what way.  
20:39:09 <Quartus> If you don't know, say that.
20:39:25 <rabbitwhite> it has no do/loop and no repeat, and no else
20:39:37 <Quartus> Ok.
20:39:49 <rabbitwhite> it also has no comparison operators
20:39:56 <Quartus> I see.
20:40:32 <rabbitwhite> and it has two kinds of brackets { } and [ ] 
20:40:48 <Quartus> I'm not sure what that means.
20:40:54 <rabbitwhite> there is a lot thats kind of like, easy to pick up and not that interesting in my opinion
20:41:05 <rabbitwhite> its just how i dealt with the problems that came up
20:41:16 <rabbitwhite> and my requirements
20:41:24 <Quartus> Ok. Thanks.
20:41:36 <JasonWoof> rabbitwhite: he sounded interested in knowing what it would take to port his ansi-complient forth code to your forth
20:42:10 <JasonWoof> three bills down and one to go!
20:42:26 <Quartus> That, and I want to know the rationale behind creating yet another divergent dialect. There may be a solid reason, or it may be just another set of personal preferences set to code.
20:43:47 <Quartus> So far it's leaning toward the latter, which is fine -- not fine for me as a customer, but I'm not going to argue the right of the developer to create whatever dialect suits him.
20:43:52 <rabbitwhite> ok well, porting a forth to this forth would not be difficult but it would also defeat its purpose
20:44:07 <rabbitwhite> but its totally up to you i dont care
20:44:14 <rabbitwhite> it would make it difficult to share code if you didnt use my dialect
20:44:22 <rabbitwhite> or at least, complicated
20:44:35 <Quartus> Right, and that's the other side of it; if you don't care about my requirements as a customer even at the initial inquiry stage, I'm keeping my money.
20:45:10 <rabbitwhite> well fine but you dont have to be a jerk about it
20:45:40 <Quartus> I'm not clear on how it is I'm being a jerk, but that's ok; you've given me enough info.  Thanks again.
20:45:59 <rabbitwhite> um i think its because you're being prejudiced and really close minded
20:46:31 <Quartus> Noted.  Again, thanks for the info.  Good luck with your project.
20:47:15 <rabbitwhite> if you are actually curious to know the real reason behind the dialect choice both of your presumptions were wrong
20:47:28 <Quartus> I'm not interested in discussing it any further, thanks.
20:47:34 <rabbitwhite> and it amazes me even more that you leaped to your own answer before giving me a chance
20:47:38 <rabbitwhite> wait hold on now
20:47:46 <rabbitwhite> you cant just start a discussion and blow someone off like that
20:48:31 <rabbitwhite> now i dont really care about telling you, but for the record and because everyone else is getting to read this discussion of dubious value
20:48:57 <rabbitwhite> i chose to persue my own dialect because i wanted to optimize forth for the goal of the project which was to optimize game writing
20:50:02 <rabbitwhite> and the standard does not leave room for differences, so basically my stance is that the standard is not "anti-preference", it's just wrong
20:50:20 <slava> hi all
20:50:25 <Quartus> Hi slava.
20:50:33 <slava> another pointless irc flamewar?
20:50:39 <slava> write code instead
20:50:48 <Quartus> How are things?
20:51:00 <rabbitwhite> but that is up for debate so i dont mind anyone else's opinion.  but to use the standard is a preference so i dont feel like its fair to boil it down to the black and white issue of "preference or standard"
20:51:20 <rabbitwhite> i guess i've been ignored by quartus
20:51:30 <Quartus> I'm not interested in discussing it any further, rabbitwhite.
20:51:43 <rabbitwhite> i'm not even talking to you really anymore
20:51:48 <rabbitwhite> this is an open forum
20:52:10 <Quartus> I'm not suggesting you stop.  Carry on.  
20:52:20 <rabbitwhite> you are an a hole.  i'm out of here.
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20:53:04 <Quartus> wait, I've changed my mind, where do I send the money?
20:56:42 <JasonWoof> LOL
20:57:00 <JasonWoof> hehe people are funny
20:57:32 <Quartus> yeah.
20:57:40 <JasonWoof> too bad vibes don't come through IRC with too much accuracy
20:57:50 <Quartus> His vibes came through pretty clearly.
20:58:04 <JasonWoof> oh, so it was just yours then?
20:58:21 <Quartus> mine? I was actually asking the question hoping for an actual answer.
20:58:28 <JasonWoof> or maybe his vibe-detector needs to be calibrated
20:59:06 <JasonWoof> I didn't read everything, I'm remembering back to this: < rabbitwhite> oh well thats the vibe i got, sorry if i'm being defensive
20:59:52 <Quartus> Apparently my telling him that the points he raised were useful information, but didn't pertain to my question, gave him the idea that I wasn't interested in what he was saying.
21:00:33 <Quartus> What I came away with, besides the obviously very useful information that I'm a jerk and an 'a hole', is that he is unable to articulate the differences or the reasons behind them.
21:01:06 <JasonWoof> he probably doesn't know the spec very well
21:01:07 <JasonWoof> I don't
21:01:18 <Quartus> Which is fine, and would have been an adequate response.
21:01:25 <JasonWoof> oh, "an a hole" I thought he said "you are in a hole" and left.
21:01:31 <JasonWoof> that's partly why I was laughing
21:01:36 <Quartus> oh no, he was directly insulting me
21:01:59 <JasonWoof> yeah, I know it was meant to be mean
21:02:11 <JasonWoof> even though I read one letter wrong
21:02:22 <Quartus> It's from the first chapter in Dale Carnegie's 'How to Make Enemies and Convince People You're a Twit'.
21:02:33 <Quartus> The lesser known of his books.
21:02:39 <JasonWoof> lol
21:03:02 <JasonWoof> good stuff
21:03:46 <Quartus> Just from the 30,000-foot level, if 'there are no comparison operators' is actually true... sounds like a bondage & discipline language to me
21:05:20 <Quartus> But who knows.  I'm unlikely to explore it further, as asking questions about it is hazardous.
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21:07:29 <Quartus> I really did think the gc was garbage-collection, and not gamecube, though.
21:07:40 <slava> or guacamole?
21:07:50 <Quartus> or ginormous chicken
21:10:00 <Quartus> Giant Chicken Forth.  There might be something there.  At least the mascot is obvious. :)
21:10:47 <JasonWoof> "No one expects the squeamish inky chickens!"
21:10:55 <Quartus> heh
21:11:02 <Quartus> Comfy Chair Forth
21:11:14 <JasonWoof> I like Giant Chicken Forth
21:12:09 <Quartus> no comparison operators, but there is begaaaawk, cluck, and wubblewubblewubble
21:12:17 <JasonWoof> I'm imagining a logo of some really big looking letters with a chicken foot filling most of the background and a leg going off the top
21:12:27 <JasonWoof> lol
21:12:38 <JasonWoof> you can make comparison operators
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21:12:46 <slava> [12:09am] slava: hi Dragonchlfoflite
21:12:46 <slava> [12:09am] Dragonchlfoflite: hi slava
21:12:47 <slava> [12:10am] Dragonchlfoflite: what is this channel about?
21:12:49 <slava> [12:10am] slava: its about concatenativity, concatenativeness, and concatenation
21:12:51 <slava> [12:11am] Dragonchlfoflite: oh ok thanks
21:12:56 <Quartus> code doesn't have bugs -- it has worms, which the giant chicken eats.
21:13:06 <Quartus> It doesn't generate stand-alone apps; it lays eggs.
21:13:09 <JasonWoof> : < - 0x800000 & ;
21:13:13 <JasonWoof> or something like that
21:13:32 <JasonWoof> slava: that's great
21:13:47 <Quartus> slava, you really set him straight :)
21:14:25 <Quartus> what is a Dragonchlfoflite?  Gefilte fish made out of dragon?
21:16:39 <Quartus> wubblewubble
21:16:46 <Quartus> pacman
21:17:05 <slava> : pacman init menu play high-scores pacman ;
21:17:14 <slava> i'll supply the rest in a future blog entry
21:17:21 <Quartus> what happened to that guy?
21:17:28 <slava> he's busy writing the missing words.
21:17:38 <Quartus> gone where the woodbine twineth
21:17:56 <Quartus> http://primarycolorforth.blogspot.com/   note the last date
21:18:14 <slava> sort of like second-hand college text books.
21:18:27 <slava> if you get one with highlighter pen, chances are the highlighting stops a few chapters in.
21:18:32 <Quartus> heh
21:18:36 <slava> just like blogs which the author stopped posting to, 7 months ago.
21:18:38 <Quartus> highlighting mystifies me
21:19:06 <Quartus> It's like saying 'I won't learn this now, but I'll mark it as worth learning later if I have to.'
21:19:35 <slava> "Now, after some brainstorming on the c4th IRC channel, " ... 
21:19:41 <slava> ... he can finally, sort of, almost, print a few characters to the screen
21:20:06 <Quartus> Well, yes, but in doing so he unleashes the mighty power of colorForth.
21:20:46 <slava> no doubt.
21:23:10 <Quartus> last posted in c.l.f. in March, in regards to his excitement at being able to discuss SEAforth.
21:23:34 <Quartus> Since then, dozens of posts in rec.martial-arts
21:24:37 <Raystm2> must need to take out frustrations. You have to have a bit of a psychosis to approach colorforth. Least that's the kind of people I've found involved. I certainly have mine. 
21:25:02 <Quartus> yes, but what stopped the psychotic expression?  Why stop sharply last December?
21:25:34 <Raystm2> My best guess... Lack of audience.
21:26:06 <Quartus> Odd if true.  I find in the absence of an actual audience, the psychotic imagine one.
21:26:16 <Raystm2> I started a site too, but i'v not done anything with it in a long time. No one ever mentions it or asks about it or even wants me to finish is.
21:27:39 <Raystm2> I will do some movies of a few colorforths in action and post those.
21:28:06 <Raystm2> I got this 36" monitor and it should look great.
21:28:49 <Raystm2> Gonna do toka, and maybe retroforth as well.
21:29:14 <Raystm2> Be neat to do a little vid for you as well. 
21:31:50 <Raystm2> I see rabbitwhite was the next person to take you all wrong. I don't get that. 
21:31:50 <Quartus> I don't know, Ray.  I suspect he was just unwilling to admit that despite professing a dislike for the Standard, he doesn't know much about it at all.
21:31:50 <Raystm2> I understood everything you said. Thought you established a repore with him yesterday, and wonder where he went wrong.
21:31:50 <Raystm2> I'm sure you are correct.
21:31:50 <Quartus> Maybe, maybe not.  I'm not anxious to re-engage him to find out.
21:31:55 <Raystm2> hehe. 
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21:44:56 <JasonWoof> howdy humpty
21:45:09 <Quartus> Mr. Dumpty2 to you
21:45:25 <humptydumpty2> hi, all!
21:45:31 <Quartus> hi
21:46:26 <JasonWoof> heh
21:46:50 <Quartus> Coming in from... Romania?
21:47:00 <humptydumpty2> yes, :))
21:47:02 <JasonWoof> I'm not sure someone calling himself "humptydumpty2" would be offended if not addressed formally :)
21:47:13 <Quartus> That might be his real name.
21:47:22 <humptydumpty2> oops, better change nick ? :)
21:47:34 <JasonWoof> the nick is fine. I'm just playing off Raystm2 
21:47:41 <Quartus> Mr. Stm2 you mean
21:47:49 <humptydumpty2> aha :)
21:48:00 <JasonWoof> gah! I can't get anything right! You are in a hole! I'm leaving ;)
21:48:11 <Quartus> *an* a hole. Come on now.
21:48:35 <JasonWoof> next you're going to correct my speling
21:48:46 <Quartus> a-hole, I think is the correct middle-school spelling.  Saves typing the two extra 's'
21:49:39 <JasonWoof> shower time! bbiab
21:49:41 <Quartus> Which, really, is one of the harder letters to write properly by hand.
21:49:42 <humptydumpty2> i like my nick, i like 'Alice in Wonderland' and 'Alice in Mirrorland' if i remember
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21:50:05 <Quartus> Alice, Through the Looking-Glass
21:50:14 <humptydumpty2> ok! that is!
21:50:42 <humptydumpty2> and there is humptydumpty, the egg on the wall :)
21:51:11 <Quartus> :)
21:51:13 <JasonWoof> I thought that was humpty dumpty senior
21:51:33 <humptydumpty2> :) yes, i think!
21:51:36 <Quartus> I remember something about horses and men
21:51:59 <Quartus> Though I wouldn't generally think to enlist a horse to reassemble an egg-man, but then again it hasn't ever really come up
21:52:59 <humptydumpty2> and my real name just suggest a egg, so i derived my nickname :)
21:53:54 <Quartus> You are Emil Eggiweg?
21:54:18 <humptydumpty2> and because i don't know english satisfactory ( for me that is ) -> humptydumpty :)
21:55:15 <humptydumpty2> my name will be traduced something like Egglayed Theodor :)
21:55:28 <Quartus> Ted Eggman
21:55:34 <Quartus> ????
21:55:53 <Quartus> Eggy Ted?  I like that one
21:55:57 <humptydumpty2> yes, better!
21:56:09 <Quartus> Egghead Ted
21:56:17 <humptydumpty2> maybe :))
21:56:22 <Quartus> That makes you sound smarter
21:56:39 <humptydumpty2> :) , i wish :))
21:56:51 <humptydumpty2> just i remeber oblio :)
21:56:55 <Quartus> oblio?
21:57:17 <humptydumpty2> the man from cartoons :)
21:57:38 <humptydumpty2> with conical shaped head :)
21:57:44 <Quartus> oh yes, going way back now
21:57:49 <humptydumpty2> :)
21:57:56 <Quartus> ... 35 years or so
21:58:08 <humptydumpty2> yes :)
21:59:49 <humptydumpty2> now, here is a sunny morning! 
21:59:58 <Quartus> dark of night, here
22:00:33 <humptydumpty2> :) on the other side of world! :)
22:00:41 <Quartus> indeed
22:01:24 <humptydumpty2> where are you? :)
22:01:32 <Quartus> Toronto.
22:01:54 <humptydumpty2> oh, fine there. how weather is there?
22:02:04 <Quartus> Spring-like.
22:02:10 <Quartus> There?
22:02:32 <humptydumpty2> that's better ( i think) :)
22:03:13 <humptydumpty2> here is warmmm :)  is good i have here air-conditioner !
22:03:19 <Quartus> :)
22:06:30 <RayS> Heater season is over and Air Conditioning season has just begun, well, about a month ago here in Fort Worth. 
22:07:10 <humptydumpty2> :))
22:14:05 <humptydumpty2> hi Ray!
22:14:05 <RayS> Hello humptydumpty2: How's every little thing?
22:14:05 <RayS> We just take the gas bill from the Heater season, then add it to the electric bill during Air cond season.
22:14:05 <humptydumpty2> i hope growing! :)
22:14:05 <RayS> I hope growing as well.
22:14:05 * RayS is waiting on Nan to get home from work.
22:14:05 <RayS> I'm bored out my gourd. Been watching episodes of Carl Sagan's Cosmos the last few hours.
22:14:05 <Quartus> Billions and billions.
22:14:05 <Quartus> Uman beings.
22:14:05 <RayS> hehe :)
22:14:05 <JasonWoof> RayS: get hooked on wikipedia
22:14:12 <humptydumpty2> long life II rule of thermodynamics! :0
22:14:12 <humptydumpty2> :))
22:14:36 <RayS> http://www.tv-links.co.uk/    top of the C's
22:15:07 <RayS> JasonWoof: I am hooked on wikipedia, and gullible to a fault.
22:15:34 <Quartus> you're listed in the wikipedia article on gullibility
22:15:48 <humptydumpty2> :) oaaa
22:15:56 <JasonWoof> I think you'll get a more accurate view of the world from wikipedia than tv
22:16:10 <RayS> I keep riping that but someone just reposts it. Prob'ly a cron job.
22:16:31 * RayS should write a anti-cron job.
22:17:05 <Quartus> you'd need a cron artist to pull that off
22:17:14 <RayS> hehe the only thing i've EVER posted to wikipedia: the Retroforth link in the Forth programing language main page.
22:17:32 <Quartus> my wikipedia contributions are obscure and anonymous
22:17:33 <RayS> and even that got edited :)
22:17:56 <RayS> I'm sure you must have _something_ on a MST3000 page or so.
22:18:10 <Quartus> Unlike Slava, I don't have an entry under my name
22:18:15 <Quartus> Insufficient fame
22:18:19 <RayS> Seems like that should be one of your funnels to your products.
22:18:49 <RayS> Dude. Your famous in these parts, okay. 
22:19:14 <Quartus> Infamous!
22:19:26 * RayS points to "these parts"
22:19:28 <RayS> yikes!
22:19:48 <Quartus> I skipped over the obvious joke.
22:20:09 * RayS runs around behind the giant monitor taking up all the floorspace between the bed and the desk.
22:20:29 <Quartus> Ray, do you live in a one-room shotgun shack?
22:20:38 <RayS> I try not to go so low, I'm medicated, okay. :)
22:20:54 <RayS> No, but I'm truely relegated to the one room.
22:21:04 <RayS> Teenagers have the run of the house.
22:21:08 <RayS> I gave up. 
22:21:42 <Quartus> You have to find out how they're getting in, and seal up the hole.
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22:22:23 <Quartus> Set out some traps with beanie babies and Beck albums.
22:22:26 <RayS> I went and put a desk in here. Then while all the work was going on in the house, at some point all of my hardware ended up in here and I just put it all together ( still doin that really ).
22:23:04 <RayS> hehe. traps only work the first time.
22:23:15 <RayS> saved your life there.
22:23:25 <Quartus> You have to change the albums from time to time.
22:23:59 <humptydumpty2> :)
22:24:13 <RayS> oh. Is that what that noise is. Album you say. No, albums were black-wax and had music on them.
22:25:14 <RayS> These things are round shinny coasters and they have beer stains on them.
22:25:43 <RayS> Apparently, that's why the _singer_ is so upset, get it?
22:25:55 <humptydumpty2> :))
22:26:14 <humptydumpty2> a cold beer :)
22:26:15 <RayS> What is this voice that the heavy metal singers use.
22:26:36 <Quartus> It's the standard-issue Lou Reed.  Everybody uses it.
22:26:37 <humptydumpty2> only? :)
22:26:59 <Quartus> It's the Creed/Stone Temple Pilots/Pearl Jam/Metallica voice.
22:27:31 <humptydumpty2> yesss! :-D
22:27:38 <RayS> "I got a thing in my throat and it makes me sing like this"(sounding like a hissing devil with a combination of laryngitis and projectile vomiting)
22:27:49 <Quartus> Standard vocal sound for the 43% of guys who don't sound exactly like Bryan Adams.
22:27:55 <humptydumpty2> :))
22:28:10 <RayS> There is that. But you could always grow your hair to your ass.
22:28:20 <Quartus> Then you become a Crash Test Dummy.
22:28:23 <RayS> That seems to work for som.
22:28:27 <RayS> :)
22:33:12 <RayS> notice that all of the notes in such a song are all right next to each other. God forbid someone write a song I IV V anymore.
22:33:12 <Quartus> Power chords.
22:33:12 <Quartus> The dynamic front-man has too much on his mind to play the hard stuff, what with the tight pants and the wild prancing.
22:33:12 <RayS> another name for the simplist interval: 2 notes the I and the V or tonic and Dominant.
22:33:12 <RayS> indeed!
22:33:12 <RayS> There's a reason rock sounds like it does. Cuz that's what rock guitarists can play. Oh sure, you have your virtuosos but most shit is shit because a guy wants to play guitar, but not study it
22:33:12 <Quartus> Same applies to programming, really.
22:33:12 <humptydumpty2> :)
22:33:26 * RayS considers generalizing the statement and adding it to "Thougth For The Day"
22:33:26 <Quartus> Why so much software is so lousy; it's all the developers can write.  They want to code, but not study it.
22:33:38 <RayS> Yes!
22:33:57 <humptydumpty2> then, what's the cure? :)
22:34:18 <Quartus> Sturgeon's Law is that 95% of everything is crap. Not sure there's a cure.
22:34:43 <humptydumpty2> ufff! :'(
22:35:40 <Quartus> sorry: "Ninety percent of everything is crud."
22:37:01 <Quartus> Live for the other 10%.
22:37:42 <RayS> I suppose you could generalize those statments, make them about life in general and add _them_ to TFTD.
22:38:05 * RayS plays Logical Song on 12 string.
22:39:03 <RayS> "I know It sounds absurd..."
22:39:49 <humptydumpty2> forth as a cure?  :0
22:39:50 <humptydumpty2> :)
22:40:03 <Quartus> not by recent evidence.
22:40:13 <humptydumpty2> :)
22:41:42 <RayS> http://www.guitaretab.com/s/supertramp/18793.html
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23:00:20 <rabbitwhite> i need to apologize for losing my cool in the chat room
23:04:31 <rabbitwhite> i don't like when people make drama in public places and i stand guilty. so, sorry.
23:05:20 <RayS> I did that once: To a vendor on my second meeting with him. A guy I ended up working with for many years. On our first meeting he set a deadline. On our second, it was past. I lost my cool for the first time in a business situation, and chewed him up and down in front of Godn'County. We did business, but, with out ever saying anything, he never let me forget that lesson. -- Tales from a life unseen. 
23:06:29 <RayS> It's worser here, cuz it's inherently harder to gleen the  meaning all the time.
23:09:15 * RayS goes back to playing "Diary" by David Gates.
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23:21:59 <RayS> Oh Roger, I didn't tell ya. I'm gonna do some movies of some of the colorforths and Toka. I got this 36" monitor now, and they should look pretty good in the camcorder. Plus I have all of the software and hardware to produce movies now. 
23:22:07 <RayS> Wish I had a sound composer.
23:25:15 <rabbitwhite41> heh
23:25:44 <rabbitwhite41> where is it going to be shown?
23:26:43 <rabbitwhite41> i mean like who are you trying to show it to
23:26:50 <humptydumpty2> you will post these movies, im waiting  for :) 
23:27:07 <rabbitwhite41> and whats the goal
23:27:09 <humptydumpty2> cool :)
23:27:24 <humptydumpty2> some tutorials? 
23:30:43 <rabbitwhite41> ok, nevermind, sure , it sounds like fun.  show me when you're done and i can write something for it.
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