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11:02:37 Hi 11:02:40 nope 11:03:12 --- quit: timlarson_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:03:25 I'm spamming NetBSD GNATS :) 11:04:29 I'm lost to Forth, I go UNIX. :) 11:04:56 %) 11:06:29 I've changed job and moved (once again). 11:08:18 where to? 11:10:42 Now I live in Moscow near Khimki, and work in bank. 11:11:24 Microsoft is my mortal enemy. 11:30:21 --- join: ygrek_ (i=user@gateway/tor/x-dff2a7c2e0c4865e) joined #forth 11:35:35 --- part: RayS left #forth 11:37:13 --- join: RayS (n=Ray_stma@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 11:38:53 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 11:48:32 --- part: RayS left #forth 11:52:47 --- join: Nostferka (n=tinwell@unaffiliated/nostferka) joined #forth 11:55:48 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@fosforo.k8.com.br) joined #forth 12:00:31 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-30-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:00:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 12:03:16 * TreyB solves "his" bug by telling the vendor not to call into the library-that-uses-crtical-sections during and interrupt service routine. 12:03:36 ...during AN interrupt... 12:06:11 --- quit: ygrek_ () 12:07:24 --- nick: yumehito_ -> yumehito 12:10:15 --- quit: timlarson___ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:11:50 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 12:15:04 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:18:52 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-240-7.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 12:21:05 --- quit: Nostferka (Success) 12:35:17 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 12:41:33 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@65.125.86.66) joined #forth 12:41:37 h 12:41:38 hi 12:42:10 --- part: snowrichard left #forth 12:45:27 --- part: edrx left #forth 13:03:05 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:03:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 13:22:14 --- join: RayS (n=Ray_stma@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 13:28:13 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:40:05 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5489E026.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:58:02 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:30:26 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 14:30:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 14:53:08 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 15:00:23 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:02:35 --- join: sorear (n=stefan@ip68-6-133-142.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 15:14:04 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 15:14:50 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489F9B7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:28:18 --- quit: crest__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:47:16 --- join: rabbitwhite (n=Miranda@c-24-126-64-144.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:08:36 --- nick: crest_ -> Crest 16:15:41 --- part: RayS left #forth 16:16:23 --- join: RayS (n=Ray_stma@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:36:31 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:12:32 --- join: vatic (n=vatic@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net) joined #forth 17:21:30 --- join: segher__ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-135-020.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:22:16 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:33:39 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:59:05 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas@121.127.198.32) joined #forth 17:59:15 --- part: skas_wk left #forth 18:11:55 what the *@#$& is wrong with people and/or browsers that you can give people a URL and they can't download the file there? 18:12:11 what's the url? 18:13:25 testing testing 1 2 3 18:13:30 is this thing on? 18:13:36 No 18:13:46 You're imagining the universe 18:13:54 and it is full of static 18:14:02 I'm not imagining the JasonWoof part of it hard enough, apparently. 18:14:58 you are, but just do not have full enough control of your subconscious to summon him 18:15:15 I don't know. Maybe he has me on ignore. 18:16:43 meanwhile, do you have a recommendation on a web server software for a high volumn web app written in a custom forth? 18:17:07 you need it to do something the reliable and free ones don't provide? 18:17:35 reliable and free is great...but still leaves options to decide between 18:17:42 Not many, though. 18:18:11 do you have recommendations / hints about those few? 18:18:14 yeah. you said custom forth. fastcgi etc will shield you from the 27 1/2 crash bugs left in the kernel 18:18:30 I'd put up apache and see how it goes. 18:18:34 Quartus: generally music and movie files 18:18:37 apache is the most popular web server, period. popularity ~~ support 18:18:39 and occationally pictures 18:18:52 JasonWoof, ah, I thought you were talking about a specific url 18:18:58 people say "it's playing/displaying instead of downloading" 18:19:08 oh. That's pretty common. 18:19:14 no, I say, the file you want is at http://foo.bar/foo.png 18:19:22 and then they have to ask me how to download it 18:19:29 even people who work at IT companies 18:19:31 yeah, most browsers make that a bit of a pain 18:19:44 I just e-mailed the URL of a .wmv file to a company that does hosting for streaming video 18:19:57 and he replied by asking me to upload it to yousendit.com 18:20:03 sure, but their browser is doing what it's supposed to do, finding a way to play the file 18:20:04 send them a copy of wget 18:20:13 wget sucks on windoze 18:20:37 curl, something else, take your pick...but it is true browsers currently make that tricky. 18:20:41 with the png I know you can go into the file menu and click "save as" but perhaps this doesn't work with .wmv files 18:20:47 no, it doesn't 18:20:49 JasonWoof: If you fix it, the world will build better idiots. 18:21:01 TreyB: heh 18:21:16 in the absence of wget, I would write a small html file that had a clickable link to the file, and then right-click and save-as from that. Painful. 18:21:22 and businesses will distribute the better idiots everywhere by overnight express 18:21:34 Quartus: yeah, I often end up doing that 18:21:45 alternatively you could zip the file 18:21:54 which is probably easiest 18:21:54 Quartus: ooh, that's a good idea 18:22:13 can't you just mail them a copy of linux/*bsd ? 18:22:14 :) 18:22:15 Make the directory viewable and let them right click from the auto-generated directory listing. 18:22:16 then the browser will play it with winzip, or whatever 18:23:05 (assuming you have a decent web server like apache) 18:23:05 they'd have no better luck with firefox or opera under X 18:23:28 I'm not always hosting the files... 18:23:53 a couple months ago I found a cool video online and e-mailed a couple friends the URL 18:24:03 "yeah, it played, but I can't download it" 18:24:31 for some reason browser programmers decided to go out of their way to disable the "save" feature 18:25:02 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:25:19 well, most browsers hand the playing of a video to an external player 18:25:26 It amazes me that with thousands of developers the big fat browsers can't even get the basic features that all the text-mode browsers have 18:25:30 so the browser isn't holding the stream 18:25:32 JasonWoof: And this suprises you? 18:25:33 Or to a plugin. 18:25:45 right, but a plugin is also an external player, if you see what I mean. 18:25:51 Sure. 18:25:55 you think the plugin actually makes the http connection?! 18:26:12 In some cases yes. 18:26:22 JasonWoof: If I'm a $BIG_HOLLYWOOD_BAD_GUY, who do I pay off? the obscure text browser, or the really popular graphic one? 18:26:23 The plugin usually feeds off of the browser, but not always. 18:26:36 Quartus: but how would the browser know that it's a movie file until it's gotten the headers? 18:26:53 Sure, but then it can either throw the data at the plugin -- or the URL. 18:27:24 I guess it could 18:27:30 firefox does all sorts of stupid things 18:27:42 like try to re-download the page when you click "view source" 18:27:48 Anyway except for lynx, I can't think of too many browsers that give you a play/save option for video 18:28:00 and lynx doesn't do so great a job at play :) 18:28:14 Quartus: I don't think I ran accross a text-mode browser where you couldn't save any file you were looking at 18:28:30 ie that you could give it a url, and then not be able to save the response from the server 18:28:33 well what else is a text-mode browser going to offer you? Can't display pictures, can't play sound, can't show a video. 18:28:57 my graphical browsers can't play the video either 18:29:03 but that's beside the point 18:29:31 a text-mode one can't hand it to a plugin, either, unless it's ascii art you're after 18:29:36 in w3m (a text-mode browser) I give it a URL, and it either displays it or asks me if I want to save it to disk 18:29:45 if it displays it, I hid D to save it to disk 18:29:55 doesn't matter what the file type is 18:30:05 ascii art would be cool :) 18:30:14 I've been wondering when I'd see that in a text-mode browser 18:30:18 Sounds like it does matter. If it knows how to display it, it does, and doesn't give you the D choice. 18:30:47 no, if it displays it I hit D to save 18:31:00 this always works in w3m 18:31:09 i 18:31:09 t 18:31:09 ' 18:31:09 s 18:31:09 n 18:31:10 o 18:31:12 t 18:31:14 E 18:31:16 R 18:31:18 a 18:31:20 --- part: Quartus left #forth 18:31:51 that was weird 18:32:30 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:32:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 18:32:40 sorry 18:32:55 it's apples and oranges. w3m can't display a video to save its life, so of course it offers alternate handling. 18:33:46 my problem is that there are files that you cannot save with firefox. 18:33:52 of course there are files that w3m can't display 18:34:03 if you want the same behaviour from firefox, go in and disable all of the mime types 18:34:12 there's lots of files firefox can't display either 18:34:40 nah, I just use w3m or wget or something 18:34:53 yeah, so do I. 18:34:59 my problem is really that other people can't download some file types in their browser (whether it be safari, firefox or exploder) 18:35:30 Using the wrong tool for it. 18:35:46 somewhat 18:35:53 not the best tool, but it should work anyway 18:36:06 Yet here we are. 18:36:42 So write a cgi that takes a URL, retrieves the content, and passes it through as a compressed .zip stream with an appropriate mime type 18:36:45 that brings me to the other puzzling thing... why don't windoze and mac os come with a simple graphical downloader program that you can find? 18:37:20 then you can send your friends mysite.com/downloader.cgi?http://original-url 18:37:47 I don't want all the bandwidth 18:37:53 heh. Ok. 18:38:06 I can do something for files that are being downloaded off my server anyway (just have to change the mime-type I think) 18:38:12 You want your friends to be more competent. I can't help you there :) 18:38:22 yes, yes I do 18:43:36 does windoze come with even a text-mode downloader? 18:43:42 I know mac os ships with curl 18:43:51 not to my knowledge 18:44:01 such a useless POS 18:45:16 wget works fine 18:45:25 of course you'd have to send the URL for it to your friends 18:45:33 so they may never manage to download it :) 18:53:14 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:01:03 lol 20:01:54 oh, that reminds me of an embarrasing story 20:02:10 when you go to a tar.gz file with w3m it lists the files in the tarbal 20:02:34 for a while I thought this meant that I could not download the tarbal 20:02:43 (bad bad training from fat browsers) 20:02:59 but D works just fine. it saves the tarbal, not just the listing that you can see 20:03:18 the end 20:16:22 --- quit: vatic (">poof<") 21:04:24 --- quit: madgarden (Connection reset by peer) 21:04:50 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096620731.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 21:06:13 --- join: edrx (i=edrx@201.5.11.166) joined #forth 21:19:13 --- quit: rabbitwhite ("New look! Same great product.") 21:31:30 gforth still doesn't compile on OpenBSD/zaurus, but I like that it has seen a release. With still more interesting included programs. 21:47:36 --- part: RayS left #forth 21:48:12 --- join: RayS (n=Ray_stma@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:50:37 ayrnieu: do you want to help me get factor running on openbsd/zaurus? 21:50:40 ayrnieu: there's a freebsd port for gforth, the patches and build script there might help you get it to compile on OpenBSD 21:52:00 slava - sure. JasonWoof - it doesn't, but thanks. 21:53:24 heh 22:16:24 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:33:39 --- part: RayS left #forth 22:34:45 --- join: RayS (n=Ray_stma@adsl-68-95-134-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:36:27 --- part: RayS left #forth 22:46:13 --- quit: Raystm2 ("I've embarrassed my self enough for one day.") 23:08:22 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:11:02 --- quit: sorear ("zzz") 23:39:44 --- quit: hnaz (Remote closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.06.06