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Error 404

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Sorry, but the page you requested was not found.

11:39:03 11:39:05 11:39:07 ~ 11:39:15 this is the snapshot download? 11:39:17 http://charleschilders.com:9812/book/home.html -- direct links to the documentation 11:39:20 no 11:39:25 there must be a bug, I'll check 11:39:46 Raystm2: first link should have been http://charleschilders.com:9812/browse/index.html 11:40:10 cool :) 11:41:40 snowrichard: what browser? 11:41:48 firefox 11:41:55 what version? and what OS? 11:42:21 2.0.0.2 on Gentoo 11:42:21 (it worked for me under firefox 1.5.0.10, on SuSE) 11:42:21 hmm 11:42:41 crc" o 11:42:43 http://charleschilders.com/toka-project 11:43:00 crc: i've been experiancing that phenom all night. 11:43:04 try this (running under a different http server; there may still be bugs in the mime types toka-httpd is sending) 11:43:16 Raystm2: under firefox 2.0? 11:43:27 go to your site--404--backout--backin--okay 11:43:33 either. 11:43:35 normally a refresh seems to fix it 11:44:02 I'll look into this 11:44:33 probably has something to do with http headers I'm not yet parsing :) 11:45:15 I can't seem to reproduce it, but when I first clicked that link above the one above, then navigated to a page, I got the 404 thing but I thought maybe it had to do with an automatic updater or something, you know, catching the page as it goes up. 11:45:27 Okay, hehe. 11:47:57 Raystm2: that is a possibility 11:48:28 crc do some errors fix(reset) the stack and some(word not found error type) don't? 11:48:54 stack over/underflow resets the stack, word not found leaves it intact 11:49:04 I think i like that. 11:49:15 makes resuming easier. 11:49:49 could check for overflow or underflow and then use your fix? word in some occasions to just keep going. 11:50:10 I leave that to the programmer 11:50:18 sure. :) 11:51:05 * Raystm2 just notices that toka has ok in the middle. that took a while. :) 11:51:49 t'OKa -- the forth written in toka. :) 11:52:58 haha!! just tried to open BOOK from the index list 404 doh! 11:53:26 back out back in all t'OKa. 11:56:44 nappy-by time. :) 12:09:04 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 12:10:14 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@65.125.86.66) joined #forth 12:24:38 --- quit: ygrek () 12:33:34 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 12:34:27 --- join: segher__ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-180-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 12:44:07 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:31:36 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 14:51:24 hi 14:51:43 hey 14:53:57 what's up? 15:05:37 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@fosforo.k8.com.br) joined #forth 15:10:30 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489d8ba.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:18:24 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:56:34 --- quit: edrx (Remote closed the connection) 16:03:40 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 16:03:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 16:17:46 --- quit: timlarson ("Leaving") 16:18:33 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l37rb.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 18:34:55 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 18:35:08 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:46:29 --- quit: yumehito_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:10:38 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@65.125.86.66) joined #forth 19:10:45 hi crc 19:11:00 hi snowrichard 19:11:22 I looked around your web pages but never got past the 404 on the download link 19:11:35 http://charleschilders.com/toka-project 19:11:40 should not give any 404's 19:11:58 ... why is it that 95% of text on #forth ##forth and #c4th-ot is "hi" ? 19:12:21 sorear: hi is a nice, short thing to type :) 19:12:43 It used to be 95% hot air, and 5% hi. 19:13:09 but then poppavic was banned and most of the random crap vanished 19:13:21 Yup 19:14:06 ok I wrote down the link, and I have the tgz 19:15:03 thank you 19:17:47 no problem 19:26:29 I have some hot air. :) 19:27:10 crc: the site is doing it again. 404ing then you back out and in ( will try reloading next and report ) to get in . 19:27:21 well, I'm more used to seeing random technical discussions :) 19:27:50 Raystm2: I'm still trying to find a way to consistently duplicate it 19:28:06 refresh works. 19:28:53 I cant consistantly dup is but I do get it now and again. musta justa hada trya few more times this last time. like 10 or 16 or so. 19:29:12 So begin one, sorear. 19:29:26 the server may have gone down. it restarts within 60 seconds if it dies though 19:30:06 Technically, the discussion of discussions could be considered a meta-discussion. 19:30:20 * Raystm2 quits 19:30:32 sorry. I can't help myself sometimes. HEHE 19:30:44 So begin one, sorear.;0 19:31:31 60 secs is much much longer then the time between refreshes and im' getting the page on refresh so... 19:31:59 it's also a single tasking server, if someone else accesses it at the same moment, you'll have problems ;) 19:32:29 sorear: there was like a golden age of chat like 2 years ago on all of the chats you mentioned. 19:32:34 Something happened tho. 19:32:59 There used to be this feeling of commradrie and light heartedness. 19:33:16 Now... I think most are just bored with each other. 19:33:22 Heck, we've said it all. 19:33:26 It's in the logs.. :) 19:33:34 I don't know. There's just less bullshit since virl and poppavic were banned. 19:33:54 Less everything. Really. 19:34:39 There may have been some form of invitation, having them constantly moving text upscreen, even if it WAS all empty. 19:35:15 And ofcourse the convo about THEM, that's gone for the most prat. 19:35:19 part even. 19:35:21 Too often one of us was prompted to respond to the crqap. 19:35:24 crap 19:36:34 That's either self indulgence or possibly low self control, in my sorry to hurt you cuz i like you so much but heres the truth the way I tend to see it... opinion. 19:36:44 Ignored they meant nothing. 19:36:55 And banning them proved that we were elitist. 19:37:10 Even after treating everyone like anyone could join. 19:37:40 We banned two people. 19:37:47 One was too many. 19:37:58 Took me months to say that. 19:38:04 But life is much shorter now. 19:38:10 My opinion. 19:38:20 They're both still on IRC if you miss them. 19:38:36 I don't. and you know that's not the point. 19:38:43 It really is the point. 19:39:23 They brought up opertunity to correct information for newbies on topics that might never come up otherwise. Protect the probies. 19:39:51 I'm not petioning an unban. 19:39:55 Well, feel free to step in and say ridiculous things that need correcting, if you feel there's a void to be filled. 19:40:10 I'm just saying I was disapointed that I thought of us as not needing to. 19:40:22 Yet here we are. 19:40:26 You know, I often do, so stop being polite. :) 19:40:41 --- join: Guest6357457 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-157-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:41:05 Look, I don't even know where to start defending the PoppaVic ban; he was intolerable. It was a group decision. 19:41:31 If you really miss his bloviated bullshit, he's on ##c every day, spouting exactly the same crap, word for word. 19:41:49 I'm not going to start repeating myself. 19:43:13 Anyway, am i wrong that there are a couple of artifacts unused in this file or was there reason for every word. ( link follows ) 19:43:26 http://www.quartus.net/files/PalmOS/Forth125/Contrib125/bnf.txt 19:44:40 specifically, I don't see the dependancy of 'b,' and 'ballot'. 19:45:31 They're straight from Brad's code, if I recall correctly. To be used by the target program. 19:48:55 Okay. I was thinking you were going in a direction away from using the dictionary for backtracking and instead using a buffer of the data. 19:49:45 It's been too long since I looked at Brad's original. 19:49:58 I was just gonna say. :) 19:54:25 I shouldn't expect you to remember this stuff from 7 + years ago. heck I don't remember 7+ years ago. 19:58:05 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:58:28 --- nick: Guest6357457 -> Snoopy42 20:00:07 Brad's code used the input buffer, I moved away from that. Too confusing. 20:00:36 He also used HERE to build the output, my later code used an output buffer instead. 20:00:51 Ya. Good thing too. I won't have access to a dictionary pointer, so I appreciate where you've taken this. 20:01:01 I see. 20:01:50 You're saying the PARSE portion of this idea would contain an output buffer. 20:02:17 Good. good. 20:02:26 parse? 20:03:26 Ya, this form of BNF requires that a PARSE word be defined to first init the success var and then to be the entry into the top production, the calling word on a data set. 20:04:57 PARSE already has a meaning in Standard Forth. 20:05:12 An other level of abstractino. 20:05:53 sorry to use it as BJR did. Will correct. 20:06:57 The original code is very old. Still in block form. 20:07:59 Indeed. Like 80's even. 20:08:49 Sept '88. 20:09:31 several Forth course corrections ago. 20:14:54 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@72.0.72.123) joined #forth 20:18:19 And yet, readable. Gotta love it. 20:18:31 I think I looked up the meaning of a word. 20:19:54 Ya, couple that i've never used. >in tib and