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16:13:32 thats a known problem, but i cant help you RIGHT NOW, im at work 16:13:48 scope pm'd me about the isforth crash because of the elf header size 16:14:05 ah. 16:14:07 he cant run the ./extend 16:14:14 but im at work and cant help 16:16:37 hi I440r 16:16:40 scope: in src/kernel/isforth.asm, on line 26 or so (the definition of _addr0), changing 0a0h to 080h and rebuilding should fix it. 16:16:50 why is this necessary? 16:16:52 (probably) 16:17:12 because different flavors of linux have different elf headers 16:17:25 and he's hardcoding the size in the asm code 16:17:44 but why desn't gcc suffer from this? 16:17:51 which wont be a problem when im metacompiling 16:18:08 because gcc says "hey library, make me an elf header" 16:18:39 the binary that's generated by the assembler/linker is fine 16:19:18 but when you try and save a new binary from within isforth, it uses the hard-coded size for the ELF headers (which may be wrong) 16:19:36 so it can either overwrite some of the headers, or lose some of the kernel code 16:19:41 --- quit: yumehito1 (Connection timed out) 16:19:51 i.e. it nasm created an elf header of an unexpected size 16:19:56 not nasm 16:19:59 the linker 16:20:02 when im metacompiling i wont have that problem 16:20:03 yes 16:20:15 right 16:20:29 so i have this problem 16:22:00 I440r dismisses the problem, and I don't use isforth any more so I'm too lazy to go in and figure out a better way to do it. :) :( 16:23:00 my 'catch' implementation relies on sequence words, but sequence words rely on 'throw'. now that i'm going for a 1-1 mapping between vocabularies and source files, i can't put catch and throw in the same vocabulary 16:25:01 :( 16:30:11 tathi: why suggestions? 16:30:54 s/why/any 16:32:52 Not really...sounds like you've got the dependency loop and are pretty much stuck with it 16:34:22 I suppose you could alias throw into the catch vocabulary somehow, and have only the sequence words include the throw vocabulary (not use it anywhere else) 16:34:50 But there's a bunch of different sequence implementations, aren't there? 16:43:34 Huh. So it's still a problem even though throw is a primitive? 16:45:22 its a primitive, but the act of adding its vocab to the search path will load the source file if necessary 16:48:50 ah 16:53:46 there's one case i allow circularity, the foo and foo.private vocabs 16:53:55 because the latter is acually defined in the same source file as the former 16:54:01 and puts words in the .private vocab 16:54:13 this way you can still test private words, etc, but they don't clutter the list 16:54:32 you can do : A ... ; : C B ; 16:55:46 sure 17:35:56 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:48:45 that looks very similar to isforths 17:48:51 but with the opposite sense 17:49:37 tathi. i dont dismiss the problem btw, im simply ignoring it for now lol. it should go away when (if) im meta compiling 17:49:47 because it will remove the linker from the equasion 18:07:49 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-170-211.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 18:23:35 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096668398.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 18:23:35 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-130-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 18:26:29 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 18:32:41 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:48:37 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:50:24 --- join: TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0713.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 19:01:04 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096668398.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 19:29:39 --- join: Guest6357457 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-145-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:33:24 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:33:37 hey 19:36:19 --- quit: Guest6357457 (Remote closed the connection) 19:38:02 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19:47:05 hey Quartus 20:00:23 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-149-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 20:08:20 --- quit: scope (Remote closed the connection) 20:19:21 hey slava 21:04:16 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201.5.13.158) joined #forth 21:35:40 --- part: edrx left #forth 22:32:09 Is it tomorrow yet? 22:32:15 Yup. 22:32:33 Any learkers? 22:33:10 yes 23:36:37 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:43:13 --- quit: crest__ ("Leaving") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.05.24