00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.04.12 00:10:24 --- quit: Quartus () 00:19:44 --- join: ayrnieu (n=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 00:33:08 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:22:24 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 02:26:07 --- quit: DocPlatypus ("Leaving") 02:26:21 --- join: skas (n=skas@202-90-54-135.static.linearg.net) joined #forth 02:45:43 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57A790D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 02:53:42 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:33:38 --- quit: ayrnieu ("upgrade") 03:40:06 --- quit: skas (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:40:48 --- join: ayrnieu (n=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 03:41:14 --- part: ayrnieu left #forth 03:52:16 --- join: skas (n=skas@202-90-54-135.static.linearg.net) joined #forth 03:55:16 --- nick: segher_ -> segher 04:01:11 --- nick: brx` -> brx 04:04:26 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a7a864.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 04:12:07 --- quit: brx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:15:12 --- quit: skas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:51:25 --- quit: nighty^ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 04:56:42 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekepro@88.204.193.148) joined #forth 05:11:38 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-bea5bbddb002a78c) joined #forth 05:13:25 Belated thanks Quartus! 05:34:01 --- nick: brx` -> brx 05:39:32 I see that punctuation shift will fix the problem as well. Forth it's really only a problem for words ending in "?" or maybe the word DOT 05:42:56 --- join: vfxIRC (n=mhx@mpeltd-adsl.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 05:43:04 --- part: vatic left #forth 05:47:21 --- quit: vfxIRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:47:47 --- join: vfx_IRC (n=sfp@mpeltd-adsl.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 05:51:56 --- quit: vfx_IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:53:36 --- join: vfx_IRC (n=sfp@mpeltd-adsl.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 05:55:33 --- quit: vfx_IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:57:35 --- join: vfx_IRC (n=sfp@mpeltd-adsl.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 05:59:03 irc from VFX Forth for Windows 05:59:15 --- quit: vfx_IRC (Client Quit) 06:00:51 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57A799D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 06:09:02 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:25:58 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 06:25:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 06:35:32 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:38:00 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekepro@88.204.193.148.metro.online.kz) joined #forth 06:44:29 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 06:48:56 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:49:09 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekepro@88.204.193.148) joined #forth 07:35:12 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 08:05:54 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 08:07:23 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-a6af5b9a52c4ef9a) joined #forth 08:25:44 --- nick: crest_ -> Crest 09:02:38 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 09:02:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 09:04:21 hey 09:07:03 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 09:10:30 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:21:19 --- join: Quartus__ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 09:30:33 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:46:55 --- nick: brx` -> brx 09:51:31 hey. Any life out there? 09:55:03 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 09:55:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 09:55:55 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@65.125.86.66) joined #forth 09:55:56 hi 09:57:03 Quartus__: Cute crossword puzzle :) 09:57:12 (in that Forth Dimensions you posted the URL to yesterday) 09:57:32 hey tathi 09:57:39 hi snowrichard 09:57:59 listening to my own shoutcast stream 09:58:39 tathi -- yeah 10:00:22 hi quartus 10:01:05 hey 10:04:09 going to put on some coffee 10:06:23 now playing "The boys are back in town" 10:16:48 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-165-064.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:29:15 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:38:19 still working on the cross compiler, tatho? 10:40:31 tathi, that is :) 10:45:30 Been too busy lately, unfortunately. 10:46:24 I sympathize. 11:29:10 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@fosforo.k8.com.br) joined #forth 11:31:18 --- quit: yumehito_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed 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(n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:30:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:38:52 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:45:52 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201.5.12.253) joined #forth 19:51:06 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57A79387.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 19:52:44 --- quit: Quartus () 19:58:13 --- quit: brx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:03:36 --- nick: brx` -> brx 20:05:47 --- join: lyn (n=chatzill@ip68-8-228-101.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 20:23:59 --- part: skas_wk left #forth 20:26:45 --- join: DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@adsl-76-195-201-201.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 20:44:34 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas@121.127.198.32) joined #forth 20:51:03 what's up folks 20:51:18 wow, the more I work with this language the more I like it 20:52:31 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-01a62d76944d27bf) joined #forth 20:59:32 possibl dumb questions if anyone is awake ... does anyone actually use screen-based storage anymore? 20:59:55 it seems to me it would be so backwards to use that in an age where files are the norm 21:01:08 I want to switch to it. 21:01:48 It seems much better than a bunch of small files. 21:04:10 I can see how on a small system it would be useful to have screens 21:04:32 but today, the overhead from files is minimal compared to the total size of the disk and memory 21:10:34 It's not the matter of space, it's the matter of convenience. 21:11:55 I'm tired of inventing names and spreading files across directories. 21:13:14 interesting way of looking at it 21:14:00 "this/damn/long/file/name" is the same as "this-damn-long-file-name". 21:14:52 And the latter is better, because searching and navigating 21:14:53 does not require traversing file system tree. 21:15:50 I personally find it easier to remember filenames than screen numbers 21:16:16 You don't need to remember screen number. 21:16:44 You may use the same mechanics as with files: INCLUDE, REQUIRE, whatever. 21:17:19 But in addition you get anonymous access, like "+load" and "+thru". 21:18:48 If you don't want redefining file-based "included" etc, you 21:18:49 may go with old trick of ": load create , does> @ load ;" 21:18:58 : loads create , does> @ load ; 21:22:57 unfortunately I have no idea why that works as I only started learning this language about a month ago 21:25:01 ok now that I look I have seen each of those words used before (except load) 21:44:31 is it just me or does www.forth.org have as much trouble staying up as an old man without Viagra? 21:45:26 I've fetched the site quite well several minutes ago. 21:46:10 can you fetch this page? http://www.forth.org/svfig/Len/arrays.htm 21:46:41 Arrays in Forth 21:46:42 21:46:42 A natural question that beginners often ask is: Why doesn't Forth have 21:46:42 21:46:57 etc. 21:47:08 well whiskey tango foxtrot 21:49:12 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:55:14 traceroutes to www.forth.org stop at 64.233.4.30 21:55:22 and I get nothing back from it at all 21:59:08 Well, I trace the same way, through 64.233.4.30 (30.4.233.64.transedge.com). 21:59:33 I don't know what's the problem you have. 21:59:52 Do you use proxy? 22:00:10 happens with or without proxy (I use Privoxy as ad filter) 22:01:03 Do you mean not accessing the page above or traceroute? 22:01:23 both 22:01:37 tcpdump shows syn packet going out, and then nothing coming back. 22:01:55 Proxy does not affect traceroute. 22:02:01 ok 22:02:23 Traceroute is ICMP, proxy is HTTP/FTP/etc. 22:02:39 I can ssh into my Debian box at my mom's and get it fine 22:03:36 Poltergates? 22:04:06 AT&T doesn't know how to run a network I guess 22:04:09 sheesh 22:04:13 brb 22:04:15 --- quit: DocPlatypus ("Leaving") 22:05:56 --- join: DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@adsl-75-40-34-32.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 22:08:46 now it works, after forcing a change of IP address 22:09:06 no wonder they use dynamic IPs, apparently the routing is hosed for some of them in some places 22:09:14 (AT&T Yahoo DSL, that is) 22:09:32 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:09:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 22:09:40 and I have no idea how Yahoo even figures into it, it still looks like AT&T runs the network 22:13:19 hey 22:17:22 --- quit: unfy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:22:12 heya 22:22:25 how goes it? 22:22:32 pretty good 22:23:14 writing my own CipherSaber in Forth, not quite done with it yet 22:23:30 http://ciphersaber.gurus.com if you don't know what it is 22:23:38 ciphersaber... wasn't that some kind of poor-man's version of RC4? 22:23:49 yeah 22:23:58 mainly I'm doing it as a programming confidence builder 22:24:30 --- quit: lyn ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]") 22:24:35 I see. 22:31:20 A friend of mine offered me part time job of teaching all 22:31:21 this crypto stuff to non-technical folk. 22:32:16 So, if I get into jail, you may put banner at EFF site or wherever else. 22:46:23 ASau: where do you live? 22:47:13 in the US, you shouldn't have much of a problem, in theory 23:04:12 I'm rarely interested in theory. 23:04:37 In practice I don't live in U.S.A. 23:06:20 ah 23:06:25 didn't notice until I lookd 23:06:27 looked* 23:13:13 Well, I have to go. 23:13:16 --- quit: ASau ("ERC Version 5.0.1 $Revision: 1.726.2.3 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 23:36:19 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 23:50:26 --- quit: DocPlatypus ("Leaving") 23:54:16 --- quit: skas_wk ("Leaving") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.04.12