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GOOD day... ;-) 05:56:01 --- part: vatic left #forth 06:00:22 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 06:07:10 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-58124726d45d6cce) joined #forth 06:08:38 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 06:17:28 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57a78574.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 06:25:44 --- quit: brx`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:09:45 --- quit: tgunr (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:09:45 --- quit: slava (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:09:45 --- quit: uiuiuiu (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:09:45 --- quit: Shain (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:10:12 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:10:12 --- join: Shain (i=steve@adsl-75-30-244-32.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 07:10:12 --- join: uiuiuiu (n=ian@schihei.net) joined #forth 07:10:12 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o slava 07:10:24 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 08:07:23 Hey. 08:14:42 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57A7AD1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 08:30:04 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:36:30 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57A7AB4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 08:44:59 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:54:14 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201.5.13.102) joined #forth 09:08:33 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 09:17:03 --- join: ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 09:18:33 --- join: neceve (n=Clau@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 09:21:39 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 09:34:51 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:44:43 --- quit: Baughn ("Restarting...") 09:44:55 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202037191.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 09:46:58 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-30-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:46:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:52:18 Hey JasonWoof 10:11:58 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 10:15:03 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 10:24:03 --- quit: yumehito_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:39:57 --- join: ASau (n=user@iggsn1inet2.beelinegprs.ru) joined #forth 11:41:08 Dobryj vecher! 11:43:22 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:47:38 --- quit: ygrek () 13:05:40 Quartus: werty seems to have quite a following now. 13:05:50 does he? like the Pied Piper and the rats? 13:05:59 there's a whole gang of 'werty interpreters'. 13:06:19 any time you get people saying "I think what he's trying to say is..." you know you can safely ignore the whole bunch 13:06:34 sad, really. 13:06:38 yup 13:07:21 doty manages to hijack every thread into discussing why forth is dying, how standard forth is bad, how doty has so much industry experience and everyone else is a newbie 13:07:34 He is a tremendous dolt. 13:08:06 Passaniti pegged him the other day, saying he's like an annoying father who thinks his little child's everyday accomplishments are somehow superior to everyone else's 13:10:25 but, after all, he works for an aerospace firm! 13:11:25 and he's the most critical employee in it! 13:11:53 of course he's also the least critical, and also the janitor, and the lunch lady. 13:15:19 --- part: brx left #forth 13:19:55 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57A7AB4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 13:51:32 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekepro@88.204.194.0) joined #forth 14:10:41 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 14:11:50 --- part: azekeprofit left #forth 14:13:40 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14:13:47 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a78193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 14:27:49 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:48:05 "Helped discover the atmosphere of Pluto, study clusters of galaxies, study pellet implosions in thermonuclear fusion experiments, develop and calibrate instrument technology for spacecraft... " 14:48:26 He once put his finger up his nose and held himself at arm's length for a half an hour. 15:20:08 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 15:28:06 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57A78582.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 15:29:51 --- join: brx`` (n=brx@p57A7AB87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 15:33:50 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:34:34 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 15:36:57 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:38:08 --- quit: nighty__ (Connection timed out) 15:44:10 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a7bd6e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 15:44:51 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:45:48 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57a7c304.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 15:51:56 --- quit: brx`` (Connection timed out) 16:00:23 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:06:21 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57A7A6DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 16:13:30 --- quit: brx (Connection timed out) 16:22:02 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:31:59 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57A7A96C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 16:37:48 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 16:46:23 --- join: DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@adsl-76-195-202-194.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 16:46:54 --- quit: brx` (Success) 16:54:22 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 16:54:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 17:09:24 hey tathi 17:09:31 hi guys 17:09:41 catching up on your werty, slava? 17:09:51 no, working on unicode support 17:10:04 wasting more code? 17:11:40 I mean, just today, in ##c: here's my bottomline... use ascii, use TCP/IP, get things, do things - always agree or fail. 17:11:53 Yet you continue to ignore this wisdom. 17:12:38 what was the context of that comment from PoppaVic? 17:13:05 I assure you the context is irrelevant; he spouts off like that with or without provocation. 17:13:34 interesting 17:13:45 Not even slightly. 17:13:46 maybe I need to start hanging out in programming channels... just to read, if not to talk 17:15:24 If you want more PoppaVic, I'm sure he'd be pleased to turn the firehose in your direction 17:15:33 LOL 17:15:47 I'm just curious what kind of programming he does 17:15:57 It's a short sequence of bullshit, repeated endlessly 17:16:50 Tathi, aren't you on his mailing list? 17:18:50 I sometimes monitor ##c to see the kinds of questions newcomers ask -- some of it is astonishing 17:20:17 well, it wasn't that long ago that I finally got the urge to start programming again 17:21:04 so I'm not really a newcomer myself. a newcomer to some of these languages I had no idea had GPL'd implementations or were available for my OS, but not a newcomer in general. 17:23:55 wow. that's enlightening. just did a "see [" 17:24:01 There are a few distinct classes of people in ##c -- raw beginners, self-proclaimed experts, and self-proclaimed experts who are actually completely misinformed, and anxious to pass their misinformation along to others. 17:24:46 [ is more-or-less 0 state ! 17:25:32 gforth's is a bit weird 17:25:50 weird? 17:25:50 at least what comes out of "see" for "[" is a bit weird 17:26:07 : [ -1214570064 -1214570592 ! useraddr <64> off ; immediate 17:27:10 You'd do better to look at the kernel sources. 17:27:16 That one is in comp.fs 17:27:19 agreed 17:27:24 that's what I had to do for # 17:27:52 SEE is a debugging aid, not a replacement for looking at source 17:28:47 indeed 17:29:06 anything that might spew assembler back at you isn't a replacement for looking at source 17:30:27 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:31:33 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a797a2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 17:38:43 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:42:12 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57a7a63b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 17:44:19 --- quit: edrx ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.0.93.1") 17:50:31 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:58:02 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:14:34 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a791f7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 18:15:49 Quartus: i'm now able to input japanese text in a factor window, and display a window whose title bar contains that text 18:15:57 Ah so. 18:15:58 Quartus: i can't render unicode text to the screen myself, yet 18:16:08 also, copy and paste of unicode text works on cocoa and x11. 18:16:17 Neat. 18:17:22 didn't take much work. a contributor already wrote utf8 encoding and decoding words. 18:17:29 as usual, figuring out the x11 apis was a bit of a pain. 18:17:32 Contributors are handy. 18:19:04 have to test on windows too, but it should work automatically since win32 is unicode from the ground up. 18:19:27 Optomist. :) 18:19:34 yeah ;) 18:21:31 i still need to implement encoding/decoding for i/o streams, so you can read utf8 files, etc 18:22:18 --- quit: brx (Success) 18:28:49 yeah. I had to deal with that when I was looking at building a WinCE Forth. 18:29:47 factor runs on windows ce, but we haven't got the compiler working yet. 18:30:05 Can't write definitions? 18:30:30 you can, but they don't compile to native code, they run in the interpreter 18:30:36 ah 19:02:23 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57a7c16d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 19:08:11 --- part: ayrnieu left #forth 19:11:51 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201.5.13.102) joined #forth 19:16:58 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:29:06 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a7bea2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 19:37:06 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:44:15 --- join: brx (n=brx@p57a7aa21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 19:59:20 --- quit: brx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:00:49 --- part: edrx left #forth 20:15:27 --- join: brx` (n=brx@p57a7a040.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 20:22:39 --- quit: brx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:31:58 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:18:58 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-cc6ddd8c802b4494) joined #forth 21:33:42 --- join: nighty^^ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 21:35:24 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:07:20 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 22:07:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 22:15:26 --- quit: DocPlatypus ("Leaving") 22:28:01 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:44:44 --- quit: slava () 22:59:52 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 23:03:47 beep 23:11:45 --- join: azekeprofit (n=azekepro@88.204.194.0) joined #forth 23:12:00 Guten Morgen. 23:42:03 Terve. :) 23:42:14 or, err 23:42:30 Dobrjiv Vecher ... i think? :) 23:42:34 What's new? 23:42:39 Dobroe utro. 23:42:42 Nothing much. 23:43:07 in the middle of reinstalling operating systems on this laptop 23:43:20 Why? 23:43:23 What for? 23:43:30 installing linux is quick ... installing windows + updates + apps takes forever 23:43:43 Several reasons. 23:44:02 Disk crash? 23:44:05 (1) This laptop didn't belong to me before 23:44:15 Ah! 23:44:18 (2) I'm going to dualboot .. it was windows only before 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.04.06